In the beginning man created God…..

March 4, 2007 at 3:29 am 17 comments

Things to PonderThe Bible begins with the declaration “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” It goes on to describe God creating humans. For many Christians, this ancient text is accepted as fact. However, one cannot prove God created the universe in 7 days. Here’s an alternative view of creation. Isn’t it possible that this is the way it could have occurred?

1 In the beginning there was the matter which later formed heavens and the earth.

2 Over time, humankind evolved into modern day humans.

3 And humankind said, there is so much we do not understand. What is our origin? What is our purpose? What happens to us when we die? Let us make gods in the image of the heavens. And humankind created gods out of the sun, moon, and stars and worshiped them. That was the morning and evening of the first season.

4 Then humankind said, let us make gods in the image of woman, for she is the mother of all things and the creator of all that is living. And humankind created female gods and worshiped her. That was the morning and evening of the second season.

5 Then humankind said, let us make images of our gods that we can see and touch. And humankind created images of their gods and worshiped them. That was the morning and evening of the third season.

6 Then man said, men a physically stronger than woman so let us make male gods and male images of our gods. And man created male gods and images of their gods and worshiped them. That was the morning and evening of the fourth season.

7 Then man said, let us make a single male deity with whom we can personally relate and use him to justify our wars, genocides, and intolerances for other cultures. And man created a male deity with whom they could personally relate and used him to justify their wars, genocides, and intolerances for other cultures. That was the morning and evening of the fifth season.

8 Then man said, let us make newer versions of our gods to more fit our cultural advances and modern philosophical thought. And man updated their gods to fit their cultural advances and modern philosophical thought. That was the evening and morning of the sixth season.

9 Then humankind said, the gods we have created are dividing and destroying us. We are using our gods to wage wars, commit acts of terrorism, foster intolerance for others and to lead us down the path of destruction. Let us no longer believe in our gods. And humankind discarded their gods and focused on living lives of compassion and tolerance. And humankind rested and had peace. That was the evening and morning of the seventh season.

[Note: These seasons are not necessarily in chronological order and have significant overlap]

- The de-Convert

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  • 1. poppies  |  March 7, 2007 at 7:21 am

    10 Humankind realized, “hey, we’re kidding ourselves here, we’ve had an unbroken historical record of violence and destruction with and without religious pretences, let’s get to killin’,” and the starry-eyed vision of peace without religion came to an ugly and realistic end.
    ;)

  • 2. goodcat  |  March 7, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    poppies,

    You’ve got a point. However, I say we give it a try and see what happens. Either that or go back to the days of female deities.

  • 3. Elentari1  |  March 7, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    It is ironic that during the time of female deities, there were far less recorded wars and violence.

    This is how I look at it right now, too many people justify their bigotry and violence with religion. If we take away their justification, then perhaps we can deal any remaining issues far easier.

  • 4. mysteryofiniquity  |  March 7, 2007 at 9:04 pm

    Most excellent post.

  • 5. agnosticatheist  |  March 8, 2007 at 4:30 am

    MOI, you have a most excellent blog.

  • 6. skywhale  |  March 8, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    Better Story:

    God the consciousness created other conscious entities with the potential to grow into Gods themselves. God did this because it is in the nature of God to create and to share.

    God had a rule about never interfering with the free will of any created being, because free will is a Divine attribute and thus each of the created beings (souls) had to have it and learn how to use it effectively.

    In spite of God’s advice not to use the creative life force in the Universe in a certain dangerous way, one soul eventually tried it and created worlds of anti-energy (“darkness”). These worlds were the reverse of God’s worlds, and so there was no protection of free will there.

    This first soul encouraged others to try using the darkness to create, and when they did, they became entangled in it. It acted upon their awareness in the way that a computer virus acts on a CPU, essentially causing them to have a psychotic break. They lost the ability to process reality correctly, forgot their connections to their spiritual family, and began to create worlds of negativity and attract negative experience to themselves without realizing that they were now using their automatically and unconsciously creative powers in this way.

    Long story short, the first created soul (‘the Christ”) has made it his/her business to recollect every single one of the wandering, confused souls and see to it that they return. However, there can be no interference with free will. So, examples can be given and we are permitted to suffer the negative consequences of the dark energy we still emit, so that we can gradually learn how to be in harmony with the Light again. We suffer here on this sphere of purification until we start to realize that we are hurting ourselves with the energy we put out into the world, which is coming back to us in our experiences. Once we get this and start paying attention to what we are really doing on a subtle level, we begin to align with God and attract more positive experience. This makes everyone who is waiting for us back home very, very happy.

    It’s all good . . .

    sw

  • 7. mysteryofiniquity  |  March 8, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    Thank you :-)

  • 8. skywhale  |  March 8, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    By the way, an interesting reverse angle on that is that we didn’t “evolve” into humans — we “devolved” into humans.

  • 9. agnosticatheist  |  March 10, 2007 at 4:28 am

    sw,

    It goes back to how would you prove any of what you’re saying? You feel that you have a system that makes sense. So does the Christians, the Muslims, the Mormans, etc. Even within those groups you have sub-systems that makes sense to those who believe them. In Christianity, you have Calvinism and Arminianism. They each explain difficulties to the satisfaction of those who believe them.

    What makes your system of belief any different than theirs? What makes Eva Pierrakos different than Joseph Smith or Mohamed or Paul?

  • 10. skywhale  |  March 10, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Well, first of all, it’s not really about Eva, it’s about the Guide. Eva’s personality didn’t operate at the level of the Lectures — the Guide actually said once that if people doubted the Lectures were channeled, they ought to just consider the difference between Eva in her normal state and the consciousness expressed in the teachings.

    Secondly, I’m not going to take on the burden of “proving” Pathwork. I will say that I find it to be utterly and completely consistent internally, and that I and my life have changed in a lot of wonderful ways since I started walking the Path. What I’m saying to you and to anyone else reading is, consider not wasting your time knocking down the religions that obviously don’t make sense, and instead taking the time to study this material a little bit. I don’t think you’ll find anything contradictory or absurd in it, and I’m willing to engage in a dialogue with you should you happen to come away with a different first impression.

    If that invitation speaks to you or anyone else, great. If it doesn’t, then it doesn’t. Are you all right with that?

  • 11. agnosticatheist  |  March 10, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    sw,

    If you talk to most Christians, they will tell you that the Bible and their beliefs are w/o contradiction.

    I do appreciate the fact that “the Path” changed your life “in a lot of wonderful ways.” I blogged about this issue in my most recent blog. However, all religions can make this claim.

    Since I probably won’t take the time to read the guide, please give me a short summary in bullet points of the core beliefs.

  • 12. skywhale  |  March 10, 2007 at 4:57 pm

    agnosticatheist,

    Christians may tell you there’s no contradiction but in my judgment, the concept of a God who discards his children if they don’t believe what they’re supposed to believe and the concept of a loving God can only coexist in a person who has a very immature understanding of love. Pathwork is not going to be attractive to people who don’t see an obvious contradiction there.

    I also understand that all sorts of people offer the changes in their life as some kind of proof of what they believe. So lewt’s not dwell on that . . .

    As far as the core beliefs, I’ve laid out the core of the cosmology in post 7 and in the Wikipedia entry for Pathwork, The remainder of the 3500 pages of material is about how to integrate the unconscious misconceptions and negative energies we carry and align them with Truth and Love. A few core principles:

    • Through the law of attraction, we create all of our suffering as aresult of unconscious misalignments with Truth and Love.
    • All of our misalignments with Truth and Love are grounded in pride, selfwill and fear — all of which are consequences of the Fall — the corruption of our consciousness by the virus of contact with the negative life force.
    • A main process by which we grow is being rigorously honest, without shaming ourselves, about the motivations and attitudes we tend to hide from ourselves out of pride.
    • Another main process is by allowing ourselves to feel all our feelings without fixing or suppressing them.
    • If we ask for divine help in carrying out these two processes, we will receive it
    • It’s hard work and it takes time. For instance, the Guide says we ought not to expect significant improvements in our lives for at least two years after we begin the work.

    So here’s a small example of the process at work: Along with my genuine desire to offer these teachings in the spirit of love, there are intertwined slight tendrils of a desire to prove myself superior — to prove this both to you and to myself. I recognize that if I fail to stay aware of this, it will provoke a rejecting response from you and other readers, no matter how I try to cover up that energy. So I admit it to myself and you, to give my awareness a chance to integrate it — to compare it with what else I know about the Universe — and to give it less influence in our interactions. That’s a mode of how people who are really doing the work would relate to each other.

    sw

  • 13. skywhale  |  March 10, 2007 at 4:58 pm

    Sorry — a “model” of how Pathworkers would interact.

  • 14. agnosticatheist  |  March 10, 2007 at 10:16 pm

    sw,

    As I said, you’re quite the web-evangelist for your ‘pathway’

    BTW, how many followers do you all have? What’s your authority structure look like?

  • 15. skywhale  |  March 11, 2007 at 1:00 am

    Just FYI, I’ve never really done this before. Normally, Pathwork spreads by word-of mouth among New Age type people who self-describe as spiritual seekers. Often, they’ve done some or a lot of therapy before they come to Pathwork, and Pathwork integrates that growth path with a spiritual aspect. I just had this sense that maybe it would be a healing thing for people struggling with traditional Christianity to be exposed to, so I decided to reality-test that assumption.

    As to the number of Pathworkers (we don’t refer to them as “followers” — it’s a basic concept that everyone is responsible for themselves), there are about 4000 in Latin America and there it’s growing fast. Elsewhere, it’s not in very good shape. Probably 1000 total.

    The main “authority” is the Pathwork Foundation, which has copyright to the Lectures and a trademark in the word, “Pathwork.” They’re a small group of nice people who, unfortunately, don’t seem to be able to DO very much. The organization is heavily dominated by women, who stress the passive acceptance aspects of the teachings, and as a result there’s a vital energy component missing. I’m hoping that over time, I’ll be able to bring some healthy male energy into the organization in a way that doesn’t threaten and raise defenses.

    Local centers all have their own authority dynamics, most likely more related to people’s unfinished business with their parents than the teachings.

    The good part is that any serious Pathworker understands that most people in the movement are struggling to assimilate the teachings. It’s very challenging stuff, and you can think you “get” it only to discover 5 years later that you were only “getting” what you were ready for at the time. And, like any other teaching, it’s susceptible to distortion. Some people like to try to encapsulate it in the term “self-responsibility,” and then make sure everyone ELSE is owning their negative contributions to their lives. Some people like to be as loving as they can be all the time, to the point of not confronting situations that really need to be confronted because they don’t want to rock the boat. My philosophy is “get it all out in the open so we can really look at what we’re really doing,” but some of the “old guard” are afraid to put everything out on the table. So — it’s in its early stages on the planet, and it’s in flux. When we all mature a little further, we may be able to put together a more functional way of delegating responsibilities and holding ourselves accountable. I hope so, anyway.

    BUT . . . none of that really matters, because in the final analysis, there’s this voice speaking to us through the Lectures offering this unbelievable wealth of practical insight about life, and if you click with that — if you’re amazed by it, then the primary goal becomes trying to integrate as much of it as you can in this lifetime.

    So that’s why I suggest going to the Pathwork Foundation’s list of Lectures (http://www.pathwork.org/lecturesObtaining.html) and just picking one that calls to you. Just see what effect the Guide’s voice has on you. If it doesn’t speak to you, end of story . . . If it does, beginning of story . . .

    sw

  • 16. And man said, let there be God « Agnostic Atheism  |  May 7, 2007 at 12:10 am

    [...] Many religions hold to the belief that God created man but the reality is man was the one who probably created God. Here’s my version of the Creation story. [...]

  • 17. Pop Hicken  |  September 19, 2009 at 1:44 am

    I like the idea, but it’s all just myth isn’t it? It’s disturbing to me that people treat it as if it were historical fact, in this time period. However, we don’t have to throw the baby out with the bathwater on ANY myth.
    For instance,
    just throwing this out as theory,
    but what if the Adam/Eve creation story, and other similar ones (change the names) come from a central myth, oral, and much older than anything written. This story portrays a time when man WAS animal: driven by instinct and environment. As such it is a much more peaceful time, a time in the garden, until, when they become ‘like us’ (the God(s)) they are forced into a world of opposites ‘knowledge of good and evil’ and the basic necessity of societal survival instead, right to the first moment of noticing each other’s differences (see Men Mars Women Venus, lol). “We’re NAKED!!!”

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