Comments on: Redemption http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:44:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Fundamentalism, Psychotherapy and De-Conversion « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-16641 Fundamentalism, Psychotherapy and De-Conversion « de-conversion Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:46:51 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-16641 [...] they use to peddle their wares. Fundamentalism must first convince you that you are sick before its cure will have much of an appeal. To accomplish this task, it utilizes time-tested methodologies. For [...] [...] they use to peddle their wares. Fundamentalism must first convince you that you are sick before its cure will have much of an appeal. To accomplish this task, it utilizes time-tested methodologies. For [...]

]]> By: Happy 1st Anniversary to d-C « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-16638 Happy 1st Anniversary to d-C « de-conversion Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:40:36 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-16638 [...] Redemption [...] [...] Redemption [...]

]]> By: Changing the way you think (renewing the mind) « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-15015 Changing the way you think (renewing the mind) « de-conversion Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:05:29 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-15015 [...] inability to have morals and ethics without a divine code and our need for some sort of redemption from our mistakes. The reality is, this is where we need to change the way we think. This is where [...] [...] inability to have morals and ethics without a divine code and our need for some sort of redemption from our mistakes. The reality is, this is where we need to change the way we think. This is where [...]

]]> By: bdug http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-12424 bdug Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:53:37 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-12424 Damnit!! I am sorry for that last comment. If you read post #31 and #37 you'll find out how I truly feel about it. I am sorry, I am schizophrenic and I haven't had my medication today. A short prayer: Oh Lord, help me be the person that my psychiatrist medicates me to be. Oh, I am doing it again!!! Sorry, sorry. Peace to you all and Happy Holidays.... :-) Damnit!! I am sorry for that last comment. If you read post #31 and #37 you’ll find out how I truly feel about it. I am sorry, I am schizophrenic and I haven’t had my medication today. A short prayer: Oh Lord, help me be the person that my psychiatrist medicates me to be. Oh, I am doing it again!!! Sorry, sorry.
Peace to you all and Happy Holidays….
:-)

]]> By: bdug http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-12423 bdug Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:49:47 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-12423 Jesus said, "I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill". He said that we could take all ten commandments and hang them on just two: Love youe neighbor as yourself and love God above all else. When we fight about it we do neither. I say, live and let live...... Jesus said, “I come not to destroy the law, but to fulfill”. He said that we could take all ten commandments and hang them on just two: Love youe neighbor as yourself and love God above all else. When we fight about it we do neither. I say, live and let live……

]]> By: msbeazswachs http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-11762 msbeazswachs Sun, 02 Dec 2007 13:49:39 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-11762 You go, girl - er, god! Religion IS a bunch of hooy, but the tone here at 'de-conversion' seems to be one of suasion and argumentation rather than ridicule. Sweet dreams... and don't make the bedbugs bite. You go, girl - er, god!
Religion IS a bunch of hooy, but the tone here at ‘de-conversion’ seems to be one of suasion and argumentation rather than ridicule. Sweet dreams… and don’t make the bedbugs bite.

]]> By: HeIsSailing http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-11744 HeIsSailing Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:36:48 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-11744 msbeazswachs: <blockquote>The philosophy of secular humanism informs us of the negative consequences caused by such attitudes...</blockquote> Baloney. I left Christianity because only I know what is best, I am angry with Jesus for forcing me to be monogamous, and I want to be my own God!! :-P Sorry, I guess it is getting waaay past my bedtime. msbeazswachs:

The philosophy of secular humanism informs us of the negative consequences caused by such attitudes…

Baloney. I left Christianity because only I know what is best, I am angry with Jesus for forcing me to be monogamous, and I want to be my own God!! :-P

Sorry, I guess it is getting waaay past my bedtime.

]]> By: msbeazswachs http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-11740 msbeazswachs Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:17:24 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-11740 anair wrote: "The inverse of this [doctrinal misanthropy] is thinking man is perfect, that nothing supernatural is possible, that man’s reason is always trustworthy, and that man is not accountability for their wrongdoings." The "inverse"? Well, the alternative to believing humans are 'desperately wicked' is to recognize both their honorable and dishonorable inclinations, not the blind arrogance anair describes. As for 'sinful nature', christians do not exclude themselves from sinfulness. If anair holds that desperate wickedness is not a post-conversion attribute, I will leave the reader to decide whether racist, prejudiced, hateful and mean-spirited christians may rightly be regarded as "desperately wicked". The philosophy of secular humanism informs us of the negative consequences caused by such attitudes, and therefor obliges us to confront those character flaws when they occur in ourselves and in others. anair wrote:

“The inverse of this [doctrinal misanthropy] is thinking man is perfect, that nothing supernatural is possible, that man’s reason is always trustworthy, and that man is not accountability for their wrongdoings.”

The “inverse”? Well, the alternative to believing humans are ‘desperately wicked’ is to recognize both their honorable and dishonorable inclinations, not the blind arrogance anair describes.

As for ’sinful nature’, christians do not exclude themselves from sinfulness. If anair holds that desperate wickedness is not a post-conversion attribute, I will leave the reader to decide whether racist, prejudiced, hateful and mean-spirited christians may rightly be regarded as “desperately wicked”.
The philosophy of secular humanism informs us of the negative consequences caused by such attitudes, and therefor obliges us to confront those character flaws when they occur in ourselves and in others.

]]> By: Truth http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-11410 Truth Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:55:05 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-11410 Have any of you been checking out anything on the internet? We have aliens living on this planet, interacting with our governments for whatever reason, without telling us. What I'm hearing, seeing, and reading is not giving me a good feeling about it either. Everyone does have the right to believe in whatever they want, but that's the problem. The people of this world have been divided so much with so many different beliefs that no one really knows what's going on. It would be nice to think that there is one God or Gods that are here to protect us and save us, but what if there is not? Wake up people and realize what's really going on! Don't let your fear enforce these illusions we've been fed. And look at it like this; if there is a God, you will not find out until your dead. In the meantime do some research and ask questions! Have any of you been checking out anything on the internet? We have aliens living on this planet, interacting with our governments for whatever reason, without telling us. What I’m hearing, seeing, and reading is not giving me a good feeling about it either.

Everyone does have the right to believe in whatever they want, but that’s the problem. The people of this world have been divided so much with so many different beliefs that no one really knows what’s going on. It would be nice to think that there is one God or Gods that are here to protect us and save us, but what if there is not?

Wake up people and realize what’s really going on! Don’t let your fear enforce these illusions we’ve been fed. And look at it like this; if there is a God, you will not find out until your dead. In the meantime do some research and ask questions!

]]> By: Ben http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/06/redemption/#comment-11277 Ben Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:08:07 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/03/08/redemption/#comment-11277 In order for a consensus about logic, spirituality, and composition of the Universe, a set of rules that everyone agrees with has to be found. Since there are many viewpoints in the world, with regards to how the Universe is constructed (spiritually and/or scientifically), it is a challenge to find that one set of rules that everyone agrees well. A challenge so great, it has never been accomplished as-of-yet. One persons view point, about how "bad" a religion is, is another persons source of faith in said religion. If the view point about how "bad" the said religion is, is used against a person who follows said religion, the person's faith in that religion will strengthen and hold fast. It's difficult to disprove emotion with logic, as well as disprove logic with emotion, there is no "one" argument that will convince a person that the religion that he or she follows is "wrong". I suggest that we all try to not to follow the "right" religion, but be able to live with and accept others who follow a different religion from ourselves. That's my opinion- it's up to you to decide if it makes sense to you. In order for a consensus about logic, spirituality, and composition of the Universe, a set of rules that everyone agrees with has to be found.

Since there are many viewpoints in the world, with regards to how the Universe is constructed (spiritually and/or scientifically), it is a challenge to find that one set of rules that everyone agrees well. A challenge so great, it has never been accomplished as-of-yet.

One persons view point, about how “bad” a religion is, is another persons source of faith in said religion. If the view point about how “bad” the said religion is, is used against a person who follows said religion, the person’s faith in that religion will strengthen and hold fast.

It’s difficult to disprove emotion with logic, as well as disprove logic with emotion, there is no “one” argument that will convince a person that the religion that he or she follows is “wrong”.

I suggest that we all try to not to follow the “right” religion, but be able to live with and accept others who follow a different religion from ourselves.

That’s my opinion- it’s up to you to decide if it makes sense to you.

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