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  • 1. Desoj  |  November 25, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Why is not so clear for them?

  • 2. cbj  |  November 26, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    That’s the part that always baffled me as a kid. I always felt so bad that I just didn’t get it when everyone else was eating it up!

  • 3. Matt  |  November 26, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    HAHA… Silly Christians….

  • 4. Patto  |  November 29, 2008 at 2:19 pm

    Ha! Reminds me of the old counterpoint “If Jesus died for our sins, won’t he have died in vain if we don’t sin?” Classic.

  • 5. S  |  November 30, 2008 at 1:17 am

    You sin by breathing. It’s a no-win situation. Babies are born with sin.

  • 6. Jeff  |  November 30, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    In the comic, “God” starts out by asking “Why would I need…”

    I’d like to cut that off right there, and ask why would an “all-powerful”, perfect god need *anything* at all.

    The whole of the Christian story is absurd. A perfect being that makes humans for no reason that offers him (god) anything, as perfection requires nothing), and then condemns them and then tortures them. Yes, truly absurd.

  • 7. Asher  |  December 10, 2008 at 4:56 am

    Baby Jesus was an athiest.

  • 8. Phil E. Drifter  |  December 22, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    Religions are stupid, and religitards are even worse.

  • 9. LinT  |  December 27, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    would anyone like to really discuss what this comic is saying or did you guys just want to troll all day.

  • 10. Troll  |  December 29, 2008 at 1:59 am

    @LinT

    if you reread what has been posted you might notice that it is on topic with the cartoon….

  • 11. Servant  |  January 13, 2009 at 3:52 am

    @LinT

    well in lack of anything constructive, all what is left is trolling. But that cartoon points one important quality of Christianity: in no other religion you are not required to actually work for your salvation.It’s one way relationship, God gives, period. It is totally contrary to human society, where we are learned to give in order to take. That’s the problem with lot of christians, and I’ll dare to add, with lot of deconverts on this site: they always expected something in return for their prayers, donations, community life.

  • 12. orDover  |  January 13, 2009 at 4:22 am

    Servant, all the person in the cartoon said is that they believed in God and that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world. The cartoon person isn’t saying that they deserve salvation because they worked hard or prayed a lot or tithed regularly.

    What the cartoon is pointing out is the absurdity of the entire “plan” for salvation, and the fact that it makes no sense when one is talking about an omnipotent, omniscient God. It’s silly, really.

  • 13. Servant  |  January 13, 2009 at 7:49 am

    Servant, all the person in the cartoon said is that they believed in God and that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world.

    Yes, reading directly from the cartoon you are absolutely right.
    However, I found it important to emphasize that fact for Salvation as a gift represents base difference between christianity and other religions.

    What the cartoon is pointing out is the absurdity of the entire “plan” for salvation
    I am not clear on why do you consider the plan to be absurd, so maybe I could use some explanation, cartoon didn’t provide me enough insight, except that God sure does like big stairs.
    For me the salvation plan is quite real and appropriate, I would come to do the same when raising my children.

  • 14. BigHouse  |  January 13, 2009 at 8:36 am

    However, I found it important to emphasize that fact for Salvation as a gift represents base difference between christianity and other religions.

    This is a common misconception. It is NOT a gift, as in order to receive the benefit, there are contignencies then receiver must meet first. It’s no different of a transaction then saying certain good deeds gets you salvation, it just takes a different form of payment.

  • 15. Servant  |  January 13, 2009 at 11:03 am

    It’s no different of a transaction then saying certain good deeds gets you salvation
    I can’t agree on that. Ofcourse human has to accept Jesus as his savior, but can that be considered as a work? I had in mind actual work, such as meditating, fasting, pilgrimage to holy places, buying certain reliquiary or teachings, praying 5 times a day, such things i consider working for salvation, and are required in all other religions. And Chirstianity teaches that you can’t reach salvation through deeds.

  • 16. BigHouse  |  January 13, 2009 at 11:14 am

    I think your use of ‘work’ is needlessly semantic here.

    A gift if something given without return payment. I don’t get salvation if I don;t believe in Christ as savior. Well, I can’t “fake” believing something. So, if I don’t believe, no salvation. That’s not a gift.

    Kudos to the Bible writers though, for some slick marketing to get this perception out there…

  • 17. Servant  |  January 14, 2009 at 7:12 am

    A gift if something given without return payment. I don’t get salvation if I don;t believe in Christ as savior. Well, I can’t “fake” believing something. So, if I don’t believe, no salvation. That’s not a gift.
    In that sense, one could argue that gift is proper word.
    Maybe gift with “if unopened, return to sender” tag :) Still I believe you can reach salvation even without knowing about Christ. So the actuall acceptance of gift does not show in the actions of the saved person, but in their mindset. And on other hand, religions that require actual work are not focused on mindset, only in fulfilling required commandments. So if you are a very nasty person and yet obey all religiuos requirements, would it be enough in other religions to be saved?

  • 18. BigHouse  |  January 14, 2009 at 10:14 am

    Still I believe you can reach salvation even without knowing about Christ.

    This is an interesting development. It appears you may be evangelizing something other than Christianity. Perhaps if you explained your theology and doctrine more precisley, we could have a meaningful discussion about it.

  • 19. Servant  |  January 15, 2009 at 4:19 am

    In the world there are many people that have been born and died without knowledge of Christ. Some have heard about Him but didn’t have chance to found out in details about His teachings, because they were engulfed with other religion or activity. Some have heard about His teaching, but were presented by people who claim to be Christians, but have nothing in common with things they preach. All those individuals cannot be considered by God as non-saved just because they were born somewhere else. My point is that the Law of God is inside every mans heart, as we are all born innocent and without sin. Someone can preserve that Law in their heart untill their death, and even if they broke that Law sometimes, they didn’t abolish that Law, and are counted among the saved.

  • 20. BigHouse  |  January 15, 2009 at 10:06 am

    Thanks for the further explanation. To me, your theology is more of the same that all Christians do, take what they like about the Bible and ignore what is unpleasant or doesn’t ‘make sense’.

    I find it ironic that Christians give athesits a hard time about rejecting the Bible because of it’s unpleasantness or nonsensical nature.

  • 21. Servant  |  January 16, 2009 at 5:46 am

    @BigHouse
    To me, your theology is more of the same that all Christians do, take what they like about the Bible and ignore what is unpleasant or doesn’t ‘make sense’.
    Well, don’t you agree with me that Bible is a written of Man? And because of that, how can I take for granted every single word written there without trying to analyse and find the true spirit behind the word? It is not reasonable, and God does not want His people to follow him blindlessly, that’s the beauty of free will. Everything must be rewieved by reason and heart inspired by His Spirit, and if it is good, accept it, if not, away with it. Jesus himself spoke against pharisees that followed the Law without knowing spirit behind the Law.

  • 22. BigHouse  |  January 16, 2009 at 9:48 am

    Well, don’t you agree with me that Bible is a written of Man?

    I do agree.

    And because of that, how can I take for granted every single word written there without trying to analyse and find the true spirit behind the word?

    You’re doing great so far. Agreed.

    It is not reasonable, and God does not want His people to follow him blindlessly, that’s the beauty of free will.

    This is where you start going off the rails. First, you pre-suppose God exists and then filter the Bible with this assumption. Second, I would categorize a God that leaves behind an ancient book full of contradictions that was written many years after the supposed events it describes and was translated, ammended, and assembled by men with agendas as leaving me pretty close to having to follow him ‘blindlessly” (I think you mean blindly here).

    Everything must be rewieved by reason

    Here you are back to making sense. In my opinion though, you have an odd way of wielding reason to meet your conclusions.

    and if it is good, accept it, if not, away with it.

    Agreed here as well. And after a long period of reasoning and analyzing the Bible and comparing it to reality, I have thrown out a lot more than you decided to.

  • 23. Servant  |  January 16, 2009 at 11:16 am

    First, you pre-suppose God exists and then filter the Bible with this assumption.
    Correct, as I said, it is hypothese no 1. I start with assumption that God exist, and try to explain all world events and knowledge so that they don’t contradict that assumption.

    Second, I would categorize a God … as leaving me pretty close to having to follow him ‘blindlessly” (I think you mean blindly here).
    Well i really don’t think you need anything but your heart to follow God. He requires us to be truth to our conscience, and to love each other, do you really need Book to tell you that? Ofcourse, Book wil help you to understand the nature of God, and the nature of the world, it will tell you the dangers and pitfalls of the road, but at the end, it’s only what you have in your heart that matters, not the stuff you read or did not read. But that’s the nature of man, we tend to forget, so we write. Immediately after the ascent of Christ, no one needed books to follow path of Christ, and people believed Christ will return in glory during their lifetime,so why bother writing anything?

    And yes, the word i pulled is from the song “Love is blindness” not blindless :) thanx

  • 24. LeoPardus  |  January 16, 2009 at 1:20 pm

    Servant:

    Based on many of your posts, and the last couple in particular, you have NOTHING to stand on. You have a deity in mind, but that deity conforms only to whatever you happen to think of him. You have no source of inspiration, authority, or information on this deity outside of your own mind. In short, your god is completely made in your image.

    There’s NO POINT in discussing your personal fantasies and opinions with you. You can make your deity be/say/do anything you want.

    Mind you, you’re no different from any other theist in that. They all make it up as they go along. Just most of them have some source of information and authority other then just themselves.

  • 25. Servant  |  January 16, 2009 at 2:48 pm

    Just most of them have some source of information and authority other then just themselves.
    Right, and when they state their source of information like “it’s written in the Bible” your conclusion is that Bible is full of contradictory, and so on and so forth… So it makes you a winner in each argument, right? ;)

    I only stated that my theory that God exists, is benevolent, but limited power due to His own choice, is not contradicting the known history, present state of the world, even more, they can be derived by mathematical logic. I never stated that your theory is not correct, I know I cannot prove that by logical thinking, and I don’t even have to. It is enough that you cannot prove that my theory is wrong, despite all those “evidences” that God doesn’t exist.

  • 26. SnugglyBuffalo  |  January 16, 2009 at 3:01 pm

    Servant, what you are doing is not using reason. The fact that you pre-suppose God means you have already abandoned reason.

    Of course you can explain the world in such a way that it doesn’t contradict your pre-supposition. You can explain the world in such a way that any pre-supposition holds; perhaps the Norse pantheon are the only gods that really exist, but they’ve been too busy preparing for Ragnarok for us to notice them.

    Try starting from a neutral point and see where the evidence leads you.

  • 27. LeoPardus  |  January 16, 2009 at 3:23 pm

    So it makes you a winner in each argument, right?

    Well, yes actually. Whether one uses oneself as the source of info and authority, or uses a very flawed, old set of manuscripts, the result is a bad conclusion.

    I only stated that my theory that God exists, is benevolent, but limited power due to His own choice

    Fine. You can imagine such a being if you like.

    even more, they can be derived by mathematical logic.

    WTF!!! Do you even have the foggiest what you are saying??

    As for the rest, SB handled that nicely. I think I’m going to start worshipping and praying to Thor. That means my god is very cool and can kick your butt and Jörmungandr’s too. …. And just try to prove me wrong. :P

  • 28. BigHouse  |  January 16, 2009 at 3:28 pm

    I’m done beating my head against this wall. It’s nice to see some others chiming in but I doubt it will make any headway…

  • 29. Servant  |  January 17, 2009 at 4:12 pm

    @buffalo
    Servant, what you are doing is not using reason. The fact that you pre-suppose God means you have already abandoned reason.
    Interesting conclusion. And what is the procedure to preform scientific research?
    You set up a hypothesis, and then use research to obtain results. After that, you use reason and logical methods to convert your results into acceptance and rejection of hypothesis.
    So maybe in your land there are different scientific methods?

  • 30. LeoPardus  |  January 17, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    Sevant:

    Scientific research is not what you use to address the God issue. You have to use something more like the methods for legal or historical investigations. Of course science can be part of those. Of course you can also throw in some probability estimations. And the biggest part of it is just applying rules of logic. It’s that last one that trips most folks up.

    Anyway the “scientific method” isn’t the right tool for this job; though it may function as part of the toolbox.

  • 31. SnugglyBuffalo  |  January 19, 2009 at 3:02 am

    Interesting conclusion. And what is the procedure to preform scientific research?

    Well, first off, you don’t assume your conclusion is true. There’s a difference between what you are doing and setting up a hypothesis. The big one being that a scientific hypothesis is falsifiable.

    You have no evidence to support your “hypothesis”, and choose to hide behind the fact that there’s no evidence that necessarily points away from it either. That is not using reason.

  • 32. bil  |  February 14, 2009 at 10:23 am

    i don’t even know what rule he changed,what are you if you believe in god but not religion?

  • 33. hipmonkey  |  June 15, 2009 at 11:14 am

    X-tians just don’t get it. Mythology can’t save anyone from anything. This Jesus myth has been told for hundreds of times with other man-gods. Research your religion and see the facts. Then go from there. Watch Zeitgeist on google for free. Ignorance is rampant in reilgion today. I’m not an X-tian and I know more about your religion than you do. ODD?

  • 34. hipmonkey  |  June 15, 2009 at 11:18 am

    Bill: “i don’t even know what rule he changed,what are you if you believe in god but not religion?” You’re a Deist, as I am. Google it, you’ll find our founding fathers were Deists, not X-tians. Deism is based on Reason, not revelation. Anyone could have wrote the bible stories. It’s great Sci-fi, but…..

  • 35. Wade MacDonald  |  August 17, 2009 at 7:26 am

    This is not about Religion because that is blind..this is about a free will relationship with an almighty ever existing God who cannot be near sin. We are sinners and are guilty so we either pay for our sins ourselves or have an intermediary. That intermediary was God himself because only an eteranal God can pay for an eternal offense..  Religion is a lie..this is not about religion… This is about an offended eternal God paying for an offense that is eternal in nature because of whom it offended …Aithests atre just blind sinners who one day will come before this eternal God they say does not exist … and are mocking and then their Religion will fall apart

  • 36. Ubi Dubium  |  August 17, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Woohoohoohoohaahaa! I’ve just had my laugh for the week. That’s a perfect example of someone who is still totally immersed in the con game. Wade, did you know you have “toxins”? And that the only way to be free of them is to use Kinoki foot pads? Also did you know your “chi” is unbalanced and you need a magnetic bracelet to fix it? No? Well I’m not buying your sales pitch about “sin” either.

  • 37. Joshua  |  August 17, 2009 at 12:44 pm

    this is about a free will relationship with an almighty ever existing God who cannot be near sin.

    Excellent. Now we know what “it’s about”.

    Religion is a lie

    We are in agreement, except that I do not think all of religions are “lies”, just some are misunderstandings or very poor understandings.

    Now demonstrate that what you are expressing does not fall under the category of “Religion” without simply saying “it is true”. Because if you say “it is true”, I will ask you to demonstrate that your criteria of determining truth is… trustworthy. And by trustworthy, it must not be circular. So none of: “I know it is true because God says so and I know God says so because it is in the Bible, and I know the Bible is what God says because the Bible says so.” None of that will be acceptable.

    Good luck.

  • 38. LeoPardus  |  August 17, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    Wade = What?! Another drive-by evangelical?!

  • 39. hitler  |  August 21, 2009 at 5:04 pm

    Anyone who believes in a God or creator should be shot. Religion is a virus of the mind. It takes over the host, destroys it, then seeks another. IN order to save the rest of us who are sane, we should cull them.

  • 40. Anonymous  |  August 21, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    A drive by by hitler–don’t see that every day.

  • 41. Joe  |  August 21, 2009 at 5:23 pm

    A “drive by” by Hitler—-don’t see that every day.

  • 42. Roy  |  August 21, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    Wade and hitler,

    Can’t we all just be friends? Must these discussions always devolve into threats and punishment? How about we try loving one another and being respectful toward one another?

  • 43. wednesday  |  September 7, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    Just because someone died for something doesn’t make it true.

  • 44. LogicalCure  |  September 30, 2009 at 12:57 am

    Okay… I don’t really care what the rest of you have said after him… but LinT… holy shit dude… that was the best troll I’ve seen in a long time. Touche, sir. You deserve an internet.

    Best. Troll. Evah.

  • 45. postal  |  November 19, 2009 at 7:11 pm

    God should not complain.
    If you build a Skoda you should not expect Ferrari performance.
    If I was born a sinner I was created that way.
    If god did not want me to be a sinner he should have created me different.

  • 46. metal-fan-666  |  November 23, 2009 at 4:43 am

    whoa so much to cover.

    I can’t believe people still believe all this crap. What is this 1409!!!!!

    ——-Free will———

    God creates people and gives them free will, but all babies are born into sin. Thanks for the options there god – I didn’t ask to be born. According to the users manual for this deity we are created with free will so that we can do as we are told.

    ——–Bible written by man———

    2 timothy 3:16 (New international version)

    14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

    Matthew 5:18 (New international version)

    I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

    The bible claims that it is the word of god and that all of it is true. If you believe in the god of the bible, never claim that the bible is mans word or contains errors as it explicitly states that it IS gods word. How can you justify your reasoning of it being mans word AND still believe in the deity described.

    Further, if so much as one error is found in the book then all of it is in question. “Because it’s in the bible” just doesn’t cut it any more, so all claims within need to be verified by an independant source before any of it can be accepted.

    ——– The old testament doesnt matter ——–

    Luke 24:44

    “He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.””

    Jesus thinks the old testament matters. Many noble lesons are found in the old testament:

    —————————————————————–

    (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

    When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

    (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

    As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

    (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her

    (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

    (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

    (Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)

    You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, ‘How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?’ But don’t be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all.

    (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

    If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.

    (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

    Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.
    ————————————————————————

    ANYONE who says they believe in the god of the bible is either a liar, a very twisted indivdual or downright unable to grasp the concept of simple reason. These teachings are vile, vulguar and utterly detestable.

    No one was born inherently believing in the deities as described in these fairytale books, they learnt all about them through their family, their school, their friends, their government and their greater society. All of this can be unlearnt.

    For anyone who does believe in the god of the bible – why do you believe the deity in this book is true and not others. I assume its because you were exposed to all of the theological material available across the world and made an informed decision – based on evidence – to follow your particular deity. Surely it wasnt because ‘mum told me god is real’ and from then you just accepted everything that was tthrown your way.

    I know heaps of muslims that are as convinced their deity is the ‘one true god’ as you are. In fact there are thousands of such deities and billions of people believing in them – each claiming to be the ‘ONE true god’.

    If tomorrow we had a worlwide vote and just decided a particular one was true, BY DEFINITION of these being monotheistic religions (a single god), then the vast majority of people on planet earth are worshipping and dedicating their lives to something that CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE.

    I bet up until about age 4 you REALLY believed santa claus existed aswell. I mean who else could deliver that many presents in one night? I know I saw all of the homeless people riding new bikes on boxing day – yet i could never figure out why the supermarkets had christmas trees to place presents for those who “weren’t as fortunate” as the rest of us. I just thought this meant that they had been naughty, as only naughty people dont get presents at christmas right?

    To sum up, if you want to believe in fairy tales and as such claim a ‘god given reason’ to be a racist mysoginstic xenophobic biggot, please dont pollute the minds of your family by forcing your children to be as intellectually paralysed as you are. If this werent such a sensitive issue with the mass media, everyone would call this CHILD ABUSE.

    Im sure you have seen stories on the tv (or maybe even read it in a newspaper) about some ‘crazy religious cult’ brainwashing their children – you know the ones where they interview with the children who obviously dont have even the most basic grip on reality. I bet you thought “How dare they! Those children are so young, someone has to put a stop to these wacko’s!!!!”.

    However, as soon as a mainstream religion is discussed, oh its very respectful and amen this and god bless that and oh its their religion to do such and such and you must respect it otherwise you are an insensitive fascist nazi.

    WAKE UP people and see the lies around you and expose them for what they are. No amount of fabrication, faith or warm fuzzy words can make up for reason backed up by evidence.

    If religion makes you feel good or gets you through hard times or gives your poverty stricken war torn life a tiny glimmer of hope to get you through the day without deciding suicide is a better alternative, then thats awesome. However, i would argue that people would be much less likely to be in such a position in the first place if religion wasnt around to stuff everything up.

    Of course powerful individuals and vested interests – not neccessarily religious – continue to perpetuate inhumane situations today. However if people were encouraged to develop their critical reasoning abilities instead of being forced to believe ‘a magic man in the sky did it’ we would be on a much more promising path to a worldwide utopian society.

    If you are so unconfortable with the idea that you WILL die one day that you need to believe in ‘pretend reality’, believe in this:

    Imagine, a world where people live their lives percieving the world through the 5 senses in their body that feed information to the conscious mind – the sum of the collective processes of the brain. In this world, there is only a personal afterlife. As the conscious mind is wholely derived from the biological functions of the brain (a widely accepted assumption), consciousness can not ‘think’ past the point of brain death (you can’t think ‘wow, im dead! I never thought it would be this dark.’).

    However, as each individual person experiences the world from the perspective of their consciousness, this means that the ‘individual’ can’t think past the point of their brain death either. Might this mean that their mind/thought gets effectively ‘frozen in time’ as their last neuron fires, creating a static ‘immediate’ experience for what diminshed consciousness was left.

    I would argue that as it becomes more and more obvious to a person that they are about to die, they would likely self reflect on their lives to try and see if they got a good enough ‘score’ to get into the afterlife the believe in. They effectively judge themselves worthy or not of their expected reward and would arrive at the point of brain death essentially either in a blissful state of readyness or a fearful state of anxiety. As:
    a) they are unable to modify these feelings after brean death and
    b) their ability to percieve the world around them is based on the biological functionality of the brain; the last ‘feeling’ that persons conscious mind would feel would effectively be felt for an eternity by that consciousness alone. An eternity stuck in a single moment, unable to be changed, affecting only the individual who judged this to be their ‘just’ reward.

    At least this has a whiff of plausability to it.

  • 47. zwenkwiel  |  November 29, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    @ metal-fan-666

    that was pretty good
    totally agree, couldn’t have explained any better
    like the personal after life idea aswell (despite how romantic it is), never thought of it like that.

  • 48. Daniel Gabriele  |  December 24, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Funny comic. To those of you using this as another opportunity to regurgitate hackneyed ideas about what Christianity *really* is, I just can’t understand how you feel satisifed engaging in something so banal.

  • 49. Flip  |  January 7, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Who ever laughed is going to hell. No one sneers at god’s unending love and gets away from it without eternal damnation!

  • 50. BigHouse  |  January 7, 2010 at 3:14 pm

    I hope my sarcasm meter is working, Flip…

  • 51. metal-fan-666@hotmail.com  |  January 13, 2010 at 2:54 am

    Bill Hicks: The world is like a ride at an amusement park. It goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills and it’s very brightly coloured and it’s very loud and it’s fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question: Is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, they say, “Hey – don’t worry, don’t be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride…” But we always kill those good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok. Jesus – murdered; Martin Luther King – murdered; Malcolm X – murdered; Gandhi – murdered; John Lennon – murdered; Reagan… wounded. But it doesn’t matter because: It’s just a ride. And we can change it anytime we want. It’s only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings and money. A choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off. The eyes of love, instead, see all of us as one. Here’s what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money that we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace.

    Religion can get fucked imo. I aint trustin anybody that says i gotta kill people who are different to me. That is not the message of love.

  • 52. Bill Hicks Spamathon  |  January 13, 2010 at 4:11 am

    “If you don’t think drugs have done good things for us, then take all of your records, tapes and CD’s and burn them.”

    “Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn’t the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural?”

    “They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you’re high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it’s not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.”

    Bill Hicks: But I’ll tell you this. Where’s this idea that childbirth is a miracle came from. Ha, I missed that fucking meeting, okay? “It’s a miracle, childbirth is a miracle.” No it’s not. No more than a miracle than eating food and a turd coming out of your ass. It’s a chemical reaction, that’s all it fucking is. If, you wanna know what a miracle is: raisin’ a kid that doesn’t talk in a movie theatre. Okay, there, there, there is a goddam miracle. It’s not a miracle if every nine months any yin yang in the world can drop a litter of these mewling cabbages on our planet. And just in case you haven’t seen the single mom statistics lately, the miracle is spreading like wild-fire. “Hallelujah!” Trailer parks and council flats all over the world just filling up with little miracles. Thunk, thunk, thunk, like frogs laying eggs. “Thunk, look at all my little miracles, thunk, filling up my trailer like a sardine can. Thunk. You know what would be a real miracle, if I could remember your daddy’s name, aargh, thunk. I guess I’ll have to call you Lorry Driver Junior. Thunk. That’s all I remember about your daddy was his fuzzy little pot-belly riding on top of me shooting his caffeine ridden semen into my belly to produce my little water-headed miracle baby, urgh. There’s your brother, Pizza Delivery Boy Junior.”

  • 53. 4riozs  |  January 16, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    It’s really funny. So if there’s a “God” that might really happen to people- that’s great!

  • 54. Bawdybill  |  July 21, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    “My point is that the Law of God is inside every mans heart, as we are all born innocent and without sin”

    What branch of Christianity teaches sinless birth? What happened to “original sin?” Can’t be Roman Catholic or Baptist teaching.

  • 55. Michael  |  July 18, 2012 at 8:44 pm

    I’m a Christian, but still a skeptical one at that and continue to look for a direct supernatural experience from God…this doesn’t really bother me, as a Christian, though because I’ve always just thought that this whole redemption plan from God happened the way it’s happening because that is the way God decided that was the best way he could demonstrate his love for us. This rationale eventually leads me to a very deterministic world view however. I’m still thinking through mankind’s free will in the midst of God’s sovereignty and if that isn’t just a paradox but an actual contradiction

  • 56. ubi dubium  |  July 20, 2012 at 11:06 am

    Glad you are skeptical. Don’t be afraid to ask hard questions and insist on good answers. If someone who claims to understand god gives you an answer that you are having trouble with, perhaps that person does not understand god as well as they think.

    Pursue truth over comforting answers. Be ready to change your mind if that’s the way the evidence leads.

  • 57. Lipika Vig  |  July 26, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    You honestly have a point there, I have never considered it like it like that before.
    You make it sound so intriguing. I am going to
    have to inquire about this more!

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