What branch of Christianity teaches sinless birth? What happened to “original sin?” Can’t be Roman Catholic or Baptist teaching.

“Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn’t the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit . . . unnatural?”

“They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you’re high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it’s not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.”

Bill Hicks: But I’ll tell you this. Where’s this idea that childbirth is a miracle came from. Ha, I missed that fucking meeting, okay? “It’s a miracle, childbirth is a miracle.” No it’s not. No more than a miracle than eating food and a turd coming out of your ass. It’s a chemical reaction, that’s all it fucking is. If, you wanna know what a miracle is: raisin’ a kid that doesn’t talk in a movie theatre. Okay, there, there, there is a goddam miracle. It’s not a miracle if every nine months any yin yang in the world can drop a litter of these mewling cabbages on our planet. And just in case you haven’t seen the single mom statistics lately, the miracle is spreading like wild-fire. “Hallelujah!” Trailer parks and council flats all over the world just filling up with little miracles. Thunk, thunk, thunk, like frogs laying eggs. “Thunk, look at all my little miracles, thunk, filling up my trailer like a sardine can. Thunk. You know what would be a real miracle, if I could remember your daddy’s name, aargh, thunk. I guess I’ll have to call you Lorry Driver Junior. Thunk. That’s all I remember about your daddy was his fuzzy little pot-belly riding on top of me shooting his caffeine ridden semen into my belly to produce my little water-headed miracle baby, urgh. There’s your brother, Pizza Delivery Boy Junior.”

Religion can get fucked imo. I aint trustin anybody that says i gotta kill people who are different to me. That is not the message of love.

that was pretty good
totally agree, couldn’t have explained any better
like the personal after life idea aswell (despite how romantic it is), never thought of it like that.

I can’t believe people still believe all this crap. What is this 1409!!!!!

——-Free will———

God creates people and gives them free will, but all babies are born into sin. Thanks for the options there god – I didn’t ask to be born. According to the users manual for this deity we are created with free will so that we can do as we are told.

——–Bible written by man———

2 timothy 3:16 (New international version)

14But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Matthew 5:18 (New international version)

I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

The bible claims that it is the word of god and that all of it is true. If you believe in the god of the bible, never claim that the bible is mans word or contains errors as it explicitly states that it IS gods word. How can you justify your reasoning of it being mans word AND still believe in the deity described.

Further, if so much as one error is found in the book then all of it is in question. “Because it’s in the bible” just doesn’t cut it any more, so all claims within need to be verified by an independant source before any of it can be accepted.

——– The old testament doesnt matter ——–

Luke 24:44

“He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”"

Jesus thinks the old testament matters. Many noble lesons are found in the old testament:

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(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

(Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her

(Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.

(Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.

(Deuteronomy 7:16-24 NLT)

You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you. Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. If you do, they will trap you. Perhaps you will think to yourselves, ‘How can we ever conquer these nations that are so much more powerful than we are?’ But don’t be afraid of them! Just remember what the LORD your God did to Pharaoh and to all the land of Egypt. Remember the great terrors the LORD your God sent against them. You saw it all with your own eyes! And remember the miraculous signs and wonders, and the amazing power he used when he brought you out of Egypt. The LORD your God will use this same power against the people you fear. And then the LORD your God will send hornets to drive out the few survivors still hiding from you! “No, do not be afraid of those nations, for the LORD your God is among you, and he is a great and awesome God. The LORD your God will drive those nations out ahead of you little by little. You will not clear them away all at once, for if you did, the wild animals would multiply too quickly for you. But the LORD your God will hand them over to you. He will throw them into complete confusion until they are destroyed. He will put their kings in your power, and you will erase their names from the face of the earth. No one will be able to stand against you, and you will destroy them all.

(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.

(Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.
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ANYONE who says they believe in the god of the bible is either a liar, a very twisted indivdual or downright unable to grasp the concept of simple reason. These teachings are vile, vulguar and utterly detestable.

No one was born inherently believing in the deities as described in these fairytale books, they learnt all about them through their family, their school, their friends, their government and their greater society. All of this can be unlearnt.

For anyone who does believe in the god of the bible – why do you believe the deity in this book is true and not others. I assume its because you were exposed to all of the theological material available across the world and made an informed decision – based on evidence – to follow your particular deity. Surely it wasnt because ‘mum told me god is real’ and from then you just accepted everything that was tthrown your way.

I know heaps of muslims that are as convinced their deity is the ‘one true god’ as you are. In fact there are thousands of such deities and billions of people believing in them – each claiming to be the ‘ONE true god’.

If tomorrow we had a worlwide vote and just decided a particular one was true, BY DEFINITION of these being monotheistic religions (a single god), then the vast majority of people on planet earth are worshipping and dedicating their lives to something that CANNOT POSSIBLY BE TRUE.

I bet up until about age 4 you REALLY believed santa claus existed aswell. I mean who else could deliver that many presents in one night? I know I saw all of the homeless people riding new bikes on boxing day – yet i could never figure out why the supermarkets had christmas trees to place presents for those who “weren’t as fortunate” as the rest of us. I just thought this meant that they had been naughty, as only naughty people dont get presents at christmas right?

To sum up, if you want to believe in fairy tales and as such claim a ‘god given reason’ to be a racist mysoginstic xenophobic biggot, please dont pollute the minds of your family by forcing your children to be as intellectually paralysed as you are. If this werent such a sensitive issue with the mass media, everyone would call this CHILD ABUSE.

Im sure you have seen stories on the tv (or maybe even read it in a newspaper) about some ‘crazy religious cult’ brainwashing their children – you know the ones where they interview with the children who obviously dont have even the most basic grip on reality. I bet you thought “How dare they! Those children are so young, someone has to put a stop to these wacko’s!!!!”.

However, as soon as a mainstream religion is discussed, oh its very respectful and amen this and god bless that and oh its their religion to do such and such and you must respect it otherwise you are an insensitive fascist nazi.

WAKE UP people and see the lies around you and expose them for what they are. No amount of fabrication, faith or warm fuzzy words can make up for reason backed up by evidence.

If religion makes you feel good or gets you through hard times or gives your poverty stricken war torn life a tiny glimmer of hope to get you through the day without deciding suicide is a better alternative, then thats awesome. However, i would argue that people would be much less likely to be in such a position in the first place if religion wasnt around to stuff everything up.

Of course powerful individuals and vested interests – not neccessarily religious – continue to perpetuate inhumane situations today. However if people were encouraged to develop their critical reasoning abilities instead of being forced to believe ‘a magic man in the sky did it’ we would be on a much more promising path to a worldwide utopian society.

If you are so unconfortable with the idea that you WILL die one day that you need to believe in ‘pretend reality’, believe in this:

Imagine, a world where people live their lives percieving the world through the 5 senses in their body that feed information to the conscious mind – the sum of the collective processes of the brain. In this world, there is only a personal afterlife. As the conscious mind is wholely derived from the biological functions of the brain (a widely accepted assumption), consciousness can not ‘think’ past the point of brain death (you can’t think ‘wow, im dead! I never thought it would be this dark.’).

However, as each individual person experiences the world from the perspective of their consciousness, this means that the ‘individual’ can’t think past the point of their brain death either. Might this mean that their mind/thought gets effectively ‘frozen in time’ as their last neuron fires, creating a static ‘immediate’ experience for what diminshed consciousness was left.

I would argue that as it becomes more and more obvious to a person that they are about to die, they would likely self reflect on their lives to try and see if they got a good enough ‘score’ to get into the afterlife the believe in. They effectively judge themselves worthy or not of their expected reward and would arrive at the point of brain death essentially either in a blissful state of readyness or a fearful state of anxiety. As:
a) they are unable to modify these feelings after brean death and
b) their ability to percieve the world around them is based on the biological functionality of the brain; the last ‘feeling’ that persons conscious mind would feel would effectively be felt for an eternity by that consciousness alone. An eternity stuck in a single moment, unable to be changed, affecting only the individual who judged this to be their ‘just’ reward.

At least this has a whiff of plausability to it.