WWJD Series – Jesus and Family Values

March 27, 2007 at 9:44 pm 39 comments

Happy FamilyJesus, you are 12 years old and you disappear from your family. Your parents frantically search for you for 3 days. When they finally find you, should you apologize?

Luke2:48-49 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”

Jesus, your ministry is very demanding of your time. Your mother and brothers are wanting to speak with you. Should you let the people know you need to take a few moments of personal time to see what they need from you?

Matthew 12:46-50 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.” He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Jesus, I want to follow you but my father just died. My family, especially my mother, really need my support and I would like to take a moment to grieve. Is it ok if I first attend to his funeral before leaving?

Luke 9:59 He said to another man, “Follow me.” But the man replied, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father. Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

Jesus, I want to follow you but I would first like to go and say goodbye to my family. Is it ok for me to take a few moments to do this?

Luke 9:61-62 Still another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family. Jesus replied, “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God.”

Jesus, I want to be your disciple. I believe I’m a good man. I love my father and mother. I love my wife and children. I even love my brothers and sisters. I also value my life. Am I the type of individual you’re looking for to be a disciple?

Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.”

Jesus, the angels heralded “peace on earth, goodwill towards men” at your birth. I’m looking forward to this peace especially within my own family. Is that why you’re here?

Matthew 10:34-36 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law — a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”

Jesus, I want to follow you. However, I’m sure you also want me to take care of my family especially my wife and children. If I don’t, I’m sure I would be punished. Correct?

Luke 18:29-30 “I tell you the truth,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God will fail to receive many times as much in this age and, in the age to come, eternal life.”

Jesus, I love my dad and treat him with great respect. Does this please you?

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

Jesus, thanks for the lessons. I’m sure to ask myself “what would Jesus do?” as I ponder my family values.

- The de-Convert

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  • 1. Concerned  |  March 27, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    I hope you fully consider what you are doing profaning God’s name in your blog. God is a jealous God, and will not take your atheistic view lightly. One day, everyone will acknowledge that He is Lord and King, you included. I pray that you enjoy your national holiday coming up….April Fool’s Day, because it is a fool who thinks he can get away with opposing God and leading others along with him. I pray for God to touch your heart and allow you the opportunity to change. satan and his influence are rebuked this day in the name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

  • 2. nullifidian  |  March 28, 2007 at 12:26 am

    Methinks ‘Concerned’ hasn’t read their bible thoroughly. Or just chooses verses willy-nilly. ‘Concerned’ cannot be a True Christian(TM).

  • 3. agnosticatheist  |  March 28, 2007 at 4:42 am

    nullifidian,

    What I find interesting is that the above post is NOT The de-Convert’s personal opinion. It’s not him “profaning God’s name.” It’s simply quoting what is written in the Bible. Yes, it’s ignoring the good stuff but I beleieve he’s had blogs talking about those positives.

    As a former Christian myself, I still allow those positive things to have an impact of my life. However, I have discovered that many of those concepts are found in many other philosophical or religious thought also.

    The bottom line is, you are right, Christians selectively read the Bible then attack anyone who quotes those “ignored” verses.

    aA

  • 4. agnosticatheist  |  March 28, 2007 at 4:45 am

    Concerned,

    I like the April Fools slam! Thanks. I’ll have to remember to blog about that.

    aA

  • 5. mysteryofiniquity  |  March 28, 2007 at 8:05 am

    April Fool’s Day falls on Palm Sunday this year. Who’s fooling who?

  • 6. Mike  |  March 28, 2007 at 11:47 am

    Dear Concerned,

    Why should I serve a God who demands allegiance through coercion?

    I can understand why you feel upset, but praying for aA’s soul after patronizing him is an interesting way of showing Christian love.

    The truth of the matter is that Jesus demanded very unethical attitudes towards our own family members. It’s hard to swallow, but it’s true.

  • 7. epiphanist  |  March 28, 2007 at 2:14 pm

    The Christ was not proposing a trip to Disneyland, and would have problems with humanist values. Why is the Aa in such a hurry? I left you a comment on ” The God of Christianity is not merciful ” which you missed. Not like Aa to leave the last word to someone else?

  • 8. agnosticatheist  |  March 29, 2007 at 5:22 am

    …but it was such a good last word :) I tried letting you have the last word here also but it was very difficult. I kept waking up thinking, I have to post a comment. I have to post a comment. I’m finally giving in. Damn, these demons. Wait! I don’t believe in such things.

  • 9. paperdots  |  March 29, 2007 at 5:35 am

    Aside from all the useless banter, the first question of reasonable consideration should be: Why was Jesus not sent to any people but the lost sheep in the House of Israel?

    Then investigate the loyalty to Jesus family in Judaism. This is what he demanded of his followers.

  • 10. agnosticatheist  |  March 29, 2007 at 5:41 am

    paperdots,

    Then investigate the loyalty to Jesus family in Judaism. This is what he demanded of his followers.

    I’m assuming you did this investigation. Can you help me out and give a brief summary of your findings.

    aA

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  • 14. Love to All  |  August 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    I think you are truly midunderstanding what Jesus is saying in the verses that you outlined. His message is consistant in the fact that God comes first. God is sovereign and he comes first. This is the hardest thing for man to accept in our self absorbed, egotistical and most importantly, rebellious nature. We lack humility. In our vanity, we spit in the face of God. Then we cry “Oww!”, when we reap the consequences of it. It is foolish to believe that you can do that and get away with it. God gives us free will. We can choose to follow and obey him or we can choose to be our own God and live according to what we feel is right and wrong. I love you brother. I will continue to pray for you that the scales may be lifted from your eyes. Even still some of us “Christians” give Jesus a bad name by our actions as well.

  • 15. The Apostate  |  August 16, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Love To All,

    His message is consistant in the fact that God comes first. God is sovereign and he comes first. This is the hardest thing for man to accept in our self absorbed, egotistical and most importantly, rebellious nature.

    False syllogism.
    Simply because someone doesn’t make “God first” (as if any Christian actually does), does not mean that one is egotistical – why can’t I put my family first?

    Secondly, are you willing to go to hell for what you believe? What if, by putting God first, you actually would go to hell? Now that certainly would be an unselfish act, wouldn’t it? The fact is, however, that you believe that you are getting into a utopian world after this one with no suffering. Don’t you think this is putting your wishes first and foremost?

  • 16. LeoPardus  |  August 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    I think you are truly midunderstanding what Jesus is saying in the verses that you outlined.

    Or maybe you are misunderstanding them in your effort to soften their apparent harshness.

    We lack humility. In our vanity, we spit in the face of God.

    Or our fellow man as we bring our religious “answers” and “wisdom” to straighten out everyone else’s errors.

    I will continue to pray for you that the scales may be lifted from your eyes.

    Well we won’t pray, but we will hope for you.

  • 17. The Apostate  |  August 16, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    I will continue to pray for you that the scales may be lifted from your eyes.

    A common misconception by scientifically-inept fundamentalists – humans don’t have scales. :D

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  • 19. Brucru  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:02 pm

    I love these verses! Bingo! They are freeing, counter-cultural, and liberating. I know you set them up as constraining and abusive. But I see it differently. It’s really good news to those who have been snubbed, rejected, abused or de-valued by their biological family, or by the prevailing conventional wisdom that smothers (LGBTQ?) It means that ultimately, you pick your family, and that love and loyalty go way beyond simple biology. I’m not into labels– I seldom use the word “Christian” to define myself (although, interestingly enough, “Christian” is first used in Acts, when both Jews and Gentiles began eating and sharing life together)– I prefer and “apprentice of Jesus”. I was not raised in a tradition where “convert” was used (thank God). The disciples, who’d left nets, family businesses, and the comfort of their communities to follow this man who began to operate as if unconditional love was the highest power, needed assurance that what they were pursuing is far greater than what they’d left behind. Though these verses hit me at a different angle– I appreciate your exposing the way in which many (not all) people who value Jesus have perverted his message and have turned into the very people– narrow-minded Pharisees– that broke Jesus’ heart, and nailed him to a tree. It has been said that Jesus is the answer to God’s bad reputation.

  • 20. Brucru  |  March 9, 2012 at 12:05 pm

    P.S. I listed LGBTQ as an example of people who might find a lot of good news in Jesus’ re-definition of “family”– I might add the poor, single moms who can’t support their kids, prostitutes, the mentally ill, those who are incarcerated, and a whole host of other folks who, in Jesus mind, are in the front of the line to the kingdom, not the back.

  • 21. cag  |  March 9, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    Brucru, the same people who imagined images in the stars also imagined deities. Your god and your jesus are just products of people sitting around the fire BSing while the goats ruminated. The human imagination is a powerful thing, having conjured up thousands of gods that you reject. Your god is no different than the thousands of other deities, all imaginary. There have never been any gods, angels, devils, saints or any other supernatural beings. Real evidence or remain quiet, do not presuppose. Question dogma, question what you were told as a child.

  • 22. Ubi Dubium  |  March 10, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Brucru, these verses give people license to be a jerk to other people and use “scripture” as an excuse. There is so much contradictory stuff in “scripture” that you can find there justification for any reandom thing you want to do. Bigotry, slavery, child abuse, genocide? Yep, it’s all there. Honor your father and mother, or abandon them to pursue some cult? Both there. Work hard, or don’t worry about tomorrow? Both are in there.

    The one thing I don’t see in there is “taking personal responsibility for the reasults of your actions”. But that’s the only ethical code that actually works.

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