Comments on: Prayer: A woman’s perspective http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: MOI http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-24269 Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:16:23 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-24269 I’m,

If prayer neither works nor doesn’t work, then there’s no point. Communion with God is not communion if it’s all one-sided; you’re there and God’s not.

Besides, you make the huge assumption that prayer as you assume it to be was not tried by all of us before.

]]> By: im a little late http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-24258 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:47:00 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-24258 I think both of you are seeing it in a weird way…prayer isnt about “working” or “not working”, and it isnt about “trying christianity”…you dont try God, He just IS. Whether you believe in Him or not is a different story. If you refuse to acknowledge the Bible as the truth of the word of God then you have nothing to test your “feelings”…sometimes I feel like drinking and driving home drunk but I cant trust that because its stupid, and what does the bible say about that? “Do not be drunk with wine in which there is dissipation”. “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature- have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.” romans 1:20
“Indeed when gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing ow even defending them.” romans 2:15

Due to david and his many psalms I do not believe that you MUST come before God in a way that isnt you. If youre pissed off then you can come before God pissed off and He’ll listen like a good friend and He’ll love you like a good friend. Even if we’re mad at Him I believe that He isnt surprised by us because He knows what we’re going to say before we even say it! Prayer is communication with God period. If I claim that someone is my best friend its because I talk to them enough to where I know A LOT about them. Same thing with Jesus, if we want to make Him our best friend we have to spend time with Him and thats called prayer. We shouldnt pray only when we need something, we shouldnt pray only when things are “good”. Jesus loves us even if we question Him…

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-412 Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:10:13 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-412 Epiphanist,
I’m not sure what you’re unhappy about but what’s there to discuss? I’m happy. :-)

]]> By: epiphanist http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-406 Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:42:37 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-406 I am not happy about this response. Leave a message on my site if you would like to talk more about it.

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-385 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:54:05 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-385 Epiphanist,
“Sorry, but prayer is unlikely to work unless you can come to it with humility, and I understand from your post that is difficult,:

First you don’t know anything about what I’ve done in prayer. Second, why assume that I did not come to prayer with humility?

It is as sure as the sun will come up in the morning that all believers will blame those who have tried christianity and prayer and not blame the tools themselves, i.e. religion, the bible, god. It’s a no win situation. If prayer fails, it’s always the pray-ers fault. I don’t buy it.

]]> By: Epiphanist http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-384 Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:44:38 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/10/prayer-a-womans-perspective/#comment-384 The tiny bit that I know about prayer has led me to think that it is often poorly taught and understood. The protestant movement lost more than intended when it cut itself off from it’s heritage. The symbols and spiritual experience of prayer have more to do with non-thinking, dreams and the subconscious, rather than with wishes and desires. Understanding the symbols of our existence is the point of the traditions and cultural heritage in religion. Sorry, but prayer is unlikely to work unless you can come to it with humility, and I understand from your post that is difficult, maybe not possible. Many of the saints are women, but they were not usually sanctified for enduring domestic tedium. The saints of domesticity are our mothers and we love them dearly for their sacrifices. When women and prayer are mentioned on the same page it is hard not to think of Mary. Where does that fit with trinity and monism? Try not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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