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• 1. agnosticatheist  |  April 10, 2007 at 4:48 pm

  Obviously, you do not have a clear understanding of trinitarian monotheism since you consider Christianity polytheistic. In fact, theologians do not even consider Hinduism polytheistic. It is monistic. Look it up.

  BTW, this whole idea that you have all these multiple “gods” within a “Godhead” and yet be ONE God is a bit of a stretch for the imagination. If you think about it logically, it just does not make sense. To say that Hinduism is monotheistic is a giant leap of faith.

  Which is, you are uninformed in the opinions you espouse as absolutes. I guess I did. But I didn’t know that was your point.

  Actually, I think de-Convert was quoting Harry with the misinformation on Hinduism. His loose interpretation of the Bible was recognized in d-C’s closing statement but who is to say that he is wrong? BTW, where did you get the opinion that d-C’s tongue-and-cheek interpretations of Bible passages were absolutes? Personally, I believe they are as flawed as the source – which I think was d-C’s point…. that you can show just about anything using the Bible. Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, infinite God write such a confusing book?

• 2. storbakken  |  April 10, 2007 at 3:19 pm

  The great thing about blogs is that any person can spout their opinions regardless of how skewed and uninformed they are, per your example in this post.

  The Aryas, who came over the Hindu Kush from what is currently known as Iran, were not Hindus. There religion was more closely related to Zoroastrianism and the Mithra cult. The Aryas’ ideas are espoused in the Vedas, which are monistic. The indigenous people of India were pushed south by the Arya and eventually they formed a syncretic religion. The Aryas can be compared to the Romans and the Dravidians (indigenous Indians) can be compare to the Greeks, in that the Arya were a highly legalistic and developed civilization and the Dravidians were more artistic and fantastic in their belief system.

  Obviously, you do not have a clear understanding of trinitarian monotheism since you consider Christianity polytheistic. In fact, theologians do not even consider Hinduism polytheistic. It is monistic. Look it up.

  Regarding Elijah’s “incarnation”, you are mistaken. But it is an easy mistake. When I was practicing Hinduism in India at the age of 19 I was reading the Bible in an effort to discredit it. I came across this passage and thought that I had found a verse to support reincarnation and thus give more credit to Hinduism. But as I dug deeper I came to understand that there are various types (or as Jung called them, archetypes) in the Bible. David, Joshua and Melchizedek were types of Christ in the Bible, but they were not the Christ. They pointed to him. If you read those verses in Matthew you will see that it says that John came in the “spirit and power” of Elijah. It doesn’t say that John was Elijah in another life.

  I could continue deconstructing this post, but I think my comment is already too long. Blessings and more fire!

• 3. agnosticatheist  |  April 10, 2007 at 3:26 pm

  storbakken,

  Precisely! You supported the point of the post

  aA

• 4. storbakken  |  April 10, 2007 at 3:29 pm

  Which is, you are uninformed in the opinions you espouse as absolutes. I guess I did. But I didn’t know that was your point.

• 5. storbakken  |  April 10, 2007 at 4:18 pm

  I did not say Hinduism is monotheistic. It is monistic. Monism is different than monotheism. Like I said, look it up.

  More fire, more light, more revelation!

• 6. Anonymous  |  May 30, 2007 at 12:38 pm

  Very interesting discussion. The more we discuss these things in depth, the more we will see no religion, no culture; no country can proclaim monopoly over God and Truth. God and Truth are universal.

  GOD

  According to Hindu scriptures,

  There is One and Only God Brahman which expresses itself in trillions of forms.

  According to Holy Bible, there is only One God and that God is Jehovah.

  TRINITY:

  Hindus worship that God in many forms. HINDU TRINITY concept came from Puranas. Hindu Trinity is 1. Brahma – God of creation 2. Vishnu – God of preservation 3. Siva – God of destruction. In this regard they are called Sat-Tat-Aum, the Being, the immanence and the Word or Holy Spirit.

  There is no word TRINITY in the 66 books of the Holy Bible. TRINITY concept [the Father, Son and Holy Ghost] originated only after emperor Constantine became a Christian.

  He did that to fuse pagan Rome to Christianity.

  Only mention of Trinity concept of God in the Bible, is in the St. Matthew’s account of Christ’s last command to the apostles, “Go therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the son and of the Holy Spirit” [MAT 28:19.]

  According to Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia the Trinity doctrine was not established until 363 A.D. It says that Trinity is the result of three or four centuries of theological development.

  The New Catholic Encyclopedia also states that devotion to Trinity had begun in monasteries at Aniane and Tours, during 8th century.

  Jesus was a Jew. Still Judaism does not see Jesus as God or son of God.

  Islam and Christianity originated from Judaism. Name of Jesus is mentioned many times in the Holy Koran. Still Islam does not consider Jesus as God or son of God.

  Hinduism says there is no absolute truth; truth is subjectively based on what each individual believes.

  Hindu scriptures NEVER wrote that.

  Scriptures wrote, ” What we perceive as truth is false since truth is beyond mind and beyond intellect. As long as we see things in duality [two] we cannot perceive truth. A person who realizes truth become one with truth

• 7. storbakken  |  May 31, 2007 at 1:47 pm

  The trimurti, which is the Hindu triad of Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu, was not established until many centuries (perhaps millenia) after the Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu were introduced to the pantheon of Hindu gods. The concept of the trimurti was introduced in the Puranas (especially the Srimad Bhagavatam) which was written in West Bengal between the 14th and 15th centuries.

  Thus, should Hindus disregard the trimurti simply because the concept was not formed until many, many years after Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu had already existed? I would surmise that most Hindus would not abandon the trimurti simply because it doesn’t fit their expected chronology.

• 8. Zahid  |  December 14, 2007 at 11:32 pm

  Interesting… Did the trimurti cease to exist?
  Have Brahma, Siva and Vishnu ceased to exist?
  I was under the impression that god(s) have existed forever and will exist forever!

• 9. Sunanda Sharma  |  August 28, 2008 at 12:05 pm

  The Aryan Invasion theory is false. FALSE!

• 10. Runjhun  |  October 6, 2008 at 4:19 am

  Hinduism doesn’t have multiple gods. the words for God in hindi are eeshwar and bhagvan. they can not be used plurally. the “gods” you speak of are avatars. Avatars are incarnations of Brahma, the creator siva, the destroyer and visnu the preserver (the three parts of the universal soul, supreme being AKA GOD). What are incarnations? incarnations are pretty much sent down when humanity needs them. Ever heard of the concept of angels? now tell me do angels make christianity or islam polytheistic??? Further-more, since these avatars are incarnations of the three, we can worship them because they are essentially god coming down in a human form. THEY DIE! They are mortal. human. but special. AKA JESUS. you get me? we have a saviour who will come TOO. Our religion actually dates back as far as 10 000 BC. There is an ancient bridge, the one Rama built when he came to earth that was found exactly where our scriptures said it would be. what was it naamed though? Adam’s bridge. Hindus are also Tolerant. We don’t kill ppl for not believing in Our God. because we believe there is no Our God. There is ONE God. and Everyone worships that God in different ways. That is why if we choose to worship God through an avatar, we CAN. Hindu’s have no problem doing namaz or praying in a church if they feel like it. Our religion is a philosophy a history and a way of life. Sanskrit, the language of the scripture, is a language that has remained ever constant. We have a soul inside of us. A soul, a part of God. That is why we say “namaste” it means literally “I greet the soul, the piece of God in you” Our body houses this soul so it should be respected obviously, but the body is shed, and the soul joins with God again. Every living thing has a soul. and the number of souls never changes. think about it. if we have to eat animals or plants / cut down trees/plants to live, the more life, the more we get rid of them. The number of souls stays constant. Balance. Hindu philosophy is profound and deep and encourages deep profound thinking and philosopher. Hinduism encourages you to practice Dharma and karma. This means that you can not blindly follow a set of laws. You must THINK about your actions, their consequences, and what your duty is in the situation. and the aryan invasion theory is probably false. I agree.

• 11. LeoPardus  |  October 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  Hmmm…. seems Hinduism has about as much developed apologetics, involved theology, prophecy etc as Christianity.

  Interesting that Hinduism has a trinity too.

  we have a saviour who will come TOO.

  Didn’t know that. Tell more please.

• 12. hindustani  |  May 9, 2009 at 9:11 am

  actually, the real trinity of hinduism is shiva, shakthi and vinayak.

• 13. isahrvar  |  May 9, 2009 at 9:21 am

  that s true. In bible, Jesus was born to a virgin by the holy spirit (power or shakthi ). here there is no involvement of Father. In the same way, parmeswari gave birth to vinayak by her power. here there is no involvement of parmeswar.

• 14. faros  |  May 9, 2009 at 10:42 am

  i too agree with this concept of trinity in hinduism. Jesus died and was raised again by His Father. Vinayak died and was raised again by His Father (Shiva)

• 15. Shirdi Baba  |  November 13, 2009 at 4:48 pm

  This is so nice, so glad I found this post. Hinduism and Bible, no matter how big their differences is, we just have to remember that God is too big to be fitted in just one name and one religion..
  Doing good to others and to yourself is still the key and the most important thing in this world, doesn’t matter what your religion is.

• 16. Ubi Dubium  |  November 13, 2009 at 5:08 pm

  Cant agree with your first point, but I can wholeheartedly agree with the second one.

• 17. Siva  |  May 20, 2010 at 12:53 pm

  While we dwell as much as we want on who is in the right path , why not we arrange a worldwide competition on knowing the so called One True God.

  Lets get 1 Kings 18 back into action. I would suggest we call the great sages of Hinduism, Buddhist, Muslims, Sikhs, the various Christian denomination Pastors and our Pope to get together in a closed door Olympic Stadium and start the competition. every religion/sect must be given one day to prove themselves. whoever prays and fire comes from the above , wins once and for all.

  Until then , lets not argue about Someone who does not even care to feed his starving children. God is a good Creator , but not a good Manager.

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