the fact that you clipped off much of my statements exposing bible shows you are afraid of truth being exposed about your vile bible cult and therefore cannot expect fair debate here….

The Aryan invasion theory was not thrown out by Max Mueller and your belief that it was false propaganda by the British isn’t a proven fact.

You did not understand my statement….

max Mueller was a xian missionary an in order to prove his religion he propagated this false theory (it is based on merely linguistics)..This is known from mueller’s letters written to his wife denigrating Hinduism and praising christianity and letters written to Indian nationalists openly asking them to embrace xianity…….This is enough proof that xians will stoop to any level to spread their false vile cult…

Here’s what Max Mueller said toward the end of his life in one of his final writings– “Aryas are those who speak Aryan languages, whatever their colour, whatever their blood. In calling them Aryas we predicate nothing of them except that the grammar of their language is Aryan. . . .

Yes..yes…max mueller, a dogmatic xian, was forced to change his opinion after a lot of criticism for purporting racist and bigoted theory even by western academicians….I am not going to quote his openly bigoted statements against Hinduism, while praising xianity….what else can one expect from crooked missionaries like yourself who will simply delete my post just as you clipped a lot from my post…

The 2005 findings of the Indian Genome Variation Consortium shows that the northern people of India’s genes can be traced back to Caucasians.

You quote muller’s statements that the theory does not speak about race on the one hand and yet quote a genetic study which purports the theory is about race….

Do not write half truths and lies harold….I know your religion xianity teaches that as your religion is falsehood…but try spelling out truth once…

The term “Caucasoid” was used by Indian genome variation….Nowhere the paper says northern people can be traced back to caucasians as you lie. The term “caucasoid” itself is a subject of debate among academicians as to what exactly defines this term precisely. At best 2008 paper states that these are “closest to caucasoids”, and only in terms of “genetic variation”. Please learn what these terms mean before spouting nonsense…

There are no written or inscribed records, or even native traditions, of this historic migration [of Aryans to India],

Look at the contradiction in the quote…..This author says one the one hand there is no written or inscribed records, even the native ones and yet without any evidence as such says “of this historic migration [of Aryans to India]“

How does he know without evidence this is historic? I guess he is a xian like you, who assume theat their religion is historic and true without any evidence whatsoever…

but we are able to follow vaguely, from the references found in religious compositions, the gradual conquest of northern India, which covered a period of several centuries,”

In other words, the author presumes historicity of an “assumed invasion theory” and then purports certain vague interpretation of religious compositions, claiming we are able to follow these religious composition only vaguely….

This is clear admission by the author of foul play to prove his foul assumed invasion theory (AIT)..

There is evidence of the Aryan conquests, but not of the migration of Aryans that preceded the conquests.

Really, so you assume without any evidence that Aryan migration took place and then conclude there is evidence for an invasion …Lets say what these are?

Furthermore, “[c]ertain of the Aryan gods still receive recognition in India after a lapse of over three thousand years,” including Indra, god of thunder (i.e. Thor), and Agni, god of fire (i.e. Heimdal), which has been confirmed via archaeological discoveries [Indian Myth and Legend, pp. xviii, xxxi, xlv].

Is this the evidence? So let me reiterate…

1. The author assumes there was a migration without any evidence by his own admission..

2. Then he claims there is evidence for invasion after this migration…What is this evidence?

3. Then he claims certain “Aryan gods” (which by the way is another assumption) are still recognized in India…and this is the evidence…real cyclic logic indeed…it is a wonder that these so called academicians (just xian bigots in reality) were even allowed to write books and papers…..

I don’t presume, I know it’s true and the evidence backing it is proven & trustworthy. It has an accurate historical record written at the time when the historical people it mentions actually existed and did what the Bible says they did.

really!!! I would like to see which scientific and historic record talks about garden of eden, adam and eve, talking snake in that garden, balam’s talking ass, the giant fish in which jonah lived, the global flood during noah which never happened etc. etc….LOL…

For example, it mentions Persian King Cyrus ordered the building of a new temple in Jerusalem and helped fund it. History outside of the Bible backs this up.

Just because bible mentions one or a few historic occurrences, it does not imply entire bible is true…

The Bible also has numerous scientific statements it made long before science made the discoveries to match what it said.

heheheheh…I have heard similar claims being made by Islamic mullahs in their madrassas…unless you claim “sky is solid” and “rabbit chews cud” as scientific discoveries as your bible claims…

Then there’s the matter of hundreds of spiritual prophecies it makes that have been fulfilled.

LOL…..there is not a single prophecy in bible….you xians and jews have been claiming about non-existent prohecies….this is all lies…..your dead/imaginary god is not there (anymore) and ain’t coming back..

So the fact that the Bible is backed by facts is indisputable. And the fact you dismiss the facts shows that you embrace ignorance.

blind followers make tall claims…..earth created before sun…one example of scientific error…

There are still heretics in the Christian world–those who claim Christianity but don’t follow true Christianity. That would include the Watchtower Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses), Mormonism, Catholicism, the Hebrew Israelites, and many more.

Protestants and catholics kill each other in ireland in present day…catholics were killing protestants andjews for a long time….protestants were kilkling catholics and jews for along time…Even in the beginning years, good xians killed of many heretic sects (Arius sect, gnostics etc.)

That’s just your unfounded opinion based on your ignoring the facts I’ve presented in my post and in my comments. The Bible is true historically, scientifically, and spiritually and I’ve provided the evidence to back up my claims.

You have not provided any proof for your unfounded claims…Adam and eve stor is plain nonsense as per science…there is no scientific evidence that jesus even existed…genesis claims Earth was created before Sun, scientifically we know this is false….

Reincarnation has no evidence to back it up whatsoever. No evidence exists showing that one life form can come back as a totally different life form after it dies.

We Hindus agree that these things have no Scientific evidence…but neither there is scientific evidence for your resurrection…

However, there is documented evidence that resurrection happens where people who die come back from the dead as the same person.

This is NOT evidence of resurrection…This is just an evidence that instruments used for declaring “clinical death” is imperfect…

The resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead is also backed by evidence.

There is no such evidence outside of biblical claims…

I also find it amusing in this day and age that you mock the fact that God created everything out of nothing since it’s now proven scientific fact that the universe was formed suddenly from nothing. For you to cling to the Steady State Theory which Hinduism teaches, believing the universe has been here from eternity, is to blatantly ignore the facts.

1. Science clearly states that it does not know what hapened before big-bang.

2. Science states that Big-Bang started with singularity.

3. Singularity has infinite mass density, which means it is NOT nothing as bible falsely claims…

This only further proves that bible is false…

As far as God punishing his creation is concerned, your argument in hypocritical nonsense. You attempt to criticize God for not creating robots,

Clearly you deleted the last most important statement in my post…I quote it again

…it is not difficult for a perfect god to create creatures that make right choices out of their own free-will.

This statement does NOT prevent free-will and is logical…

According to you, “Creation of a perfect god must do exactly what this god intended his creation to do.” But since you’re not perfect yourself, how would YOU know what a perfect god would do? You don’t know enough about the universe to draw such a conclusion.

It may not be easy or even impossible to know what a perfect god would do, but it is easy to tell what he will NOT do based on logic…

And since you’re enjoying the capability to argue what you believe is right and against what you believe is wrong, God must not be all that bad since you’re able to do it because he created you with that capability.

I do not quite get what is your point here….in fact i find no point at all and perhaps you did not understand what my point is?

1. Your theology agrees that certain souls are punished eternally…
2. => evil exists as per your theology…

Lets keep this points aside…

1. Whatever a perfect god does cannot contain any mistakes?
2. allegedly perfect god allegedly created this Universe and everything in it, including humans.
3. Certain human beings (angels as well) make evil choices as per your theology and therefore evil and suffering exists in this world.
4. It is clear your god created these beings in point 3.

5. Free-will does not explain why the beings in point 3 chose evil, for there are also beings who chose good as per your theology.

Free-will merely explains that one can choose good or evil, but NOT why somebody chooses good or why somebody else evil.

6. Therefore, either your allegedly perfect god, made these beings in point 3, intentionally evil or your god is ignorant of what he created.

7. I done intentionally, your alleged god is evil and hence NOT perfect. If done unknowingly, your alleged god is ignorant and hence imperfect.

Hence my statement “It is illogical to believe in god who punishes his own creation.”

Either way why worship such an evil/ignoramus god?

8. it is not difficult for a perfect god to create creatures that make right choices out of their own free-will. This statement is NOT illogical.

For once Harry, instead of clipping or deleting my posts, be a real man and post everything.

It is a religion that….is a conglomeration of various beliefs from Aryans who migrated to India mixed with the beliefs of indigenous people of India.

Wrong presumptions…..too many mistakes right in the beginning…

1. so called Aryan Invasion theory is false propaganda of christian pseudo-intellectuals during British times done to denigrate Hinduism in the words of Max Mueller himself in his letters to his wife…its merely a linguistic theory or hypothesis without ANY real archaeological evidence of nay sort

2. Religion is defined by its texts and not by its claimed to be followers…

Its teachings may differ from sect to sect of the religion, but here are some of its basic teachings compared to the truth that we learn from God’s word:

1. I understand you presume the truth of your religion…and presume it has some so called evidences.

2. There are more number of different sects and interpretations in Hinduism, unlike xianity which killed of its heretic branches.

Hinduism teaches that life is an endless cycle of rebirths (reincarnation) …. but return in a different bodily form……..

The word of God says in Hebrews 9:27 “…it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:” We only have one life to live on this Earth, so it’s imperative that we do right by Yahweh before we die by having faith in his Son, Jesus Christ.

I do not see any point here. There is no reason to accept one claim over other as truth based on what you have said. However, the reincarnation makes clear sense than mere one birth hypothesis, especially when this so called yeah-way of yours creates everything out of nothing (creation ex-nihilo). It is illogical to believe in a god who punishes his own creation….for this god punishes his creation for the faults which exists in his own creation for which only this god can be responsible. Creation of a perfect god must do exactly what this god intended his creation to do…if it does not, then this god is at fault…it is not difficult for a perfect god to create creatures that make right choices out of their own free-will.

According to Hindu teachings, men are in need of salvation from reincarnation to become gods

wrong idea…salvation implies release from birth/death. They do not become “gods” (whatever this term means to you). Gita is very clear on this…

and this salvation can only be obtained by ceremonial works such as yoga or having a guru assigned to you.

“Yoga” of Gita is NOT physical exercises or works which you westerners naively think….Yoga here means being one with Vedic God in word, thought and deed all the time…

Chapter VIII, 27-28 which states, “No Yogi, O son of Prithâ, is deluded after knowing these paths. …Whatever meritorious effect is declared (in the Scriptures) ….—above all this rises the Yogi,….” In other words, the supreme Abode of the Imperishable, Supreme Brahman is attained by merits like austerities and gifts.

You did not even understand anything correctly…It says One who is a Yogi (i.e. one who is one with Vedic God in word, thought and deed all the time), attains all the benefits accrued by charity and other works and attains even more, i.e. immortality.

Furthermore, those who are saved will one day receive a resurrection body that will make them equal to the angels (Luke 20:36). Man will never be a god.

The idea of resurrection is no different than the weird idea of zombies, walking undead…First define what are “gods” and “angels” and the differences in your understanding…to me angels are no different from gods…both are limited beings…to say that we will become equal to angels is to say we will become gods…

Gurus are a little lower than a god, according to Hinduism. …This teaches the guru can save people from Shiva’s anger but if you anger a guru, you cannot be saved.

This is wrong conclusion….what it says is that if one commits sins and God gets angry (means He punishes here as per karma), a Guru can save you from God’s anger by prescribing method for repentance. If Guru (who is a Yogi) gets angry then no one can help you, as God considers such a Guru very very dear to Him. This is what it means.

Mahanirvana Tantra, Chapter 6, 97-98 says, “…and then the line of Gurus should be worshipped. Then, with scent and flowers, worship the four Kula-gurus – namely, Guru, Parama-guru, Parapara-guru, Parameshti-guru.”

Worship of Guru here means showing utmost reverence to him. It does not mean worship Guru who is equal to Vedic God. If anybody claims otherwise, it is against Vedas.

The Bible says man is a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:4,5; Hebrews 2:6-9). God gave us warning in Acts 12:21-23 about men who want to exalt themselves to god-status when he took Herod Antipas’ life after the people proclaimed Antipas was a god.

By the way Vedas say clearly that man is much lower than Vedic devatas (which is translated as gods in English) and never become equal to them even in the eternal abode. Vedic God has no need to die..not even Vedic devatas (which you peole call as gods) die….It is a sin to raise dead people to status of god or son of god by fabricating fairy tales about resurrection etc….

Hinduism is polytheistic.

NOT true…Your quotes from rig Veda as response to another post proves nothing. You are so ignorant to know that Vedas were not written in English….translations (words) are not accurate for different languages…the conceptions and meanings of terms are different…The word Devatas are translated as gods…which leads to lot of confusion..this is a hint to you to decode Vedas correctly..

One of their goddesses is Kali, who murders people at will for enjoyment.

This is nonsense..

Her lover/husband, the god Shiva the Destroyer (Destroyer is also Satan’s name in the Bible), is also merciless and seeks to destroy people’s lives for the fun of it. Sometimes the two gods are graphically depicted having sex and Shiva’s followers worship his male member, known as the lingam.

Agian this is nonsense and your imagination which does not deserve a reply…….I have seen corsses in us applied with human excreta…followers raping young boys and girls ec. etc…SHould I even talk about the numerous genocidal verses in OT not to mention the rape verses where your god justifies getting female sex slaves and even gets a cut for himself…

At the least any graphical depictions are NOT scriptural in Hinduism, but rape, genocide, and even infanticide is in your bible…so much for the truth of bible…

The Bible says there is only one God (Ephesians 4:5-6)

bible also says he is a jealous god (quality of a devil rather than a god)…

and he does not delight in destroying lives (Ezekiel 33:11).

One of the favorite passtimes of biblical devil is genocide of entire towns and cities. Have you heard of the saying “Actions speak louder than words”

Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:10-17 speak of such incidents….this god of yours says after murdering all men you can take their women and children as plunder (sex slaves)…slavery originated with bible….Even murder of suckling infants (1 Samuel 15:3) was commanded by your demonic god…

Hinduism promotes a caste system where some people are considered superior to others and are treated better. [The four castes, or varnas, are denoted in the Manusmriti, the laws of Manu.]

Hinduism accepts some are superior and some are lesser….We see always clearly, gradation in capacity (intellectual, physical, emotional and spiritual) of different individuals in the real world. Hinduism opines truth even if it is often unpalatable to unworthy….False religions on the other hand opines all are equal etc. etc. even when we see in reality it is otherwise….

Besides, isn’t it hypocritical, when biblical evil god allows and actively encouraged slavery (sexual slavery of women included and even underaged girls)…Judges 21:10-24 where yeah-way allows kidnapping and raping of women after murder of their men…

Numbers:
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

This god of yours allows murder of male children and asks his followers to keep little girls as sex slaves….and you xians who worship such a demon have the guts to talk about Hinduism……People like you and your so called prophets (profiteers in truth) are evidence that Vedic Varna system does indeed exist and not everyone deserves to know truth and not everyone should be allowed to do everything…evil men (like your prophets) bring forth only falsehood, misery and pain to this world…when an undeserving ruthless man (like your prophets) born in a ruthless tribe attempts to teach about God and truth this is what happens.

God’s word says having respect of persons (showing favoritism) based on one’s socioeconomic status or any other worldly status is evil (James 2:1-9).

Look who is talking here…Vedic varna system is NOT based on socio-economic status, but based on knowledge, conduct and character…which comes only by being born to similarly worth parents…you inherit the good and bad of your parents…this is scientific…if your parents are lecherous, like most westerners are, the nso is the offspring. Your prophets were mere bandits, thieves and lecherous rapists…your OT proves it…one who follows such bandits are no better..

Hinduism says there is no absolute truth; truth is subjectively based on what each individual believes.

False…many ignorant HIndus may say so…bu never Hinduism…unless you can prove your point by quoting scriptures…I know you can’t, nobody can as such a verse does not at all exist…Vedas say what is truth….

Jesus said God’s word is the truth (John 17:17) and anything opposed to God or his word is evil (Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:20-22).

I have quoted enough to show that bible, its prophets and god allows sexual slavery of women (Judges 21:10-24 ) and even little pre-pubescent girls (Numbers 31:17-18), genocide of entire towns and cities (Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:10-17) …and therefore bible, its prophets and its god are absolutely evil for any sane person…

Demonic beings always opine falsehood as truth and evil as good…

Hinduism has Brahmans who are religious leaders that use astrology, or planetary deities known as the navagrahas (nine planets), to direct their followers’ lives.
Jehovah is against diviners and observers of times (Deuteronomy 18:10-14).

A god who orders raping women (Judges 21:10-24 ) and pre-pubescent girls (Numbers 31:17-18), genocide and pillage of entire towns cannot be good (Deuteronomy 7:1-2, 20:10-17) simply because they did not believe in him cannot be good, but is pure evil.

Words of such a demonic being and his possessed followers are always against truth and good.

Some Hindus think that the God of Christianity is Santa Claus because he rewards good and punishes the bad.
Jehovah, who executes judgment and justice on Earth, rewards those who turn from their sins in repentance and punishes evil, but he is merciful and longsuffering and is willing to forgive any sin except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Santa Claus is not Christian or biblical, but is a creation of the Roman Catholic heresy.

jehovah is santa claus of bible, a clown…read above for the reason….nothing more than that….

The gods of the Hindus do not forgive sins and are not interested in saving their worshippers. If someone does anything wrong, the individual has to face the karma that results from their actions whether they are sorry or not.

LOL….you ignorant fellow…On the one hand you quote verses talking about salvation in Hinduism (read your very first point) and then say “gods of the Hindus do not forgive sins”….make up your mind…Brahma and Brahman are two different entities for your information…

The God of the Bible is always willing to show his mercy and forgiveness to those who are truly sorry for their wrongs and many times reverses the punishment the person would have received if they had not repented. (Isaiah 38:1-6; Jonah 3)

So your god is partial and makes ad-hoc decisions….sign of imperfection…He kills suckling infants (1 Samuel 15:3, sure sign of mercy of your god, LOL) for no fault of theirs, while forgives sinners without punishing them just because they repentant….This is a sign of psychological problem in your god….

1 Samuel 2:8 (For the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, And He placed the world upon them)

Job 9:6 (He Who causes the earth to quake from its place, and its pillars shudder)

Job 26:7 (He stretches out the north over chaos; He suspends the earth on nothing.)

The word north in this passage is used synonymously with firmament. What this passage is describing is the stretching of the dome-shaped firmament over the earth with no supports in the middle. To the ancient Hebrews, the earth was unattached to the

center of the dome (i.e., the earth hung on nothing) just like the floor of a building is unattached to the center of a dome that covers it.

It is no secret that the Bible often contradicts itself. In this case, the notion that the earth hangs on nothing is contradicted by other verses. For example, 1 Chron. 16:30 …the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved. Psa. 93:1 …the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved. Psa. 96:10 …the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: Psa. 104:5 [Who] laid the foundations of the earth, [that] it should not be removed for ever. Job. 26:11 “The pillars of heaven tremble…” 2 Sam. 22:8 “…the foundations of heaven moved…” Rather than hanging on nothing, these verses depict the earth and heavens as being firmly fixed on some kind of solid foundation or pillars.

Of course, we now know the author of Job was wrong when he said the earth hangs on nothing. It hangs on the gravitational fields of the sun, moon, and other planets in its vicinity. It is, of course, this attraction that keeps the earth in orbit around the sun. Not only did

the author of Job not know that the earth revolved around the sun (or rotated on its axis for that matter), he did not know anything about gravitation fields because they are invisible and God apparently neglected to tell him about them. He surmised the earth hung on nothing because, when he looked at the “dome of heaven” there appeared to be nothing that attached the earth to it. Again, his observations were consistent with what a TSIBAGH would be expected to have dreamed up.

So much for bible science….

Lets get 1 Kings 18 back into action. I would suggest we call the great sages of Hinduism, Buddhist, Muslims, Sikhs, the various Christian denomination Pastors and our Pope to get together in a closed door Olympic Stadium and start the competition. every religion/sect must be given one day to prove themselves. whoever prays and fire comes from the above , wins once and for all.

Until then , lets not argue about Someone who does not even care to feed his starving children. God is a good Creator , but not a good Manager.

Interesting that Hinduism has a trinity too.

we have a saviour who will come TOO.

Didn’t know that. Tell more please.