Comments on: Christianity and the Role of Women – Barefoot and pregnant http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:36:14 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: stellar1 http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-31747 stellar1 Wed, 04 Mar 2009 14:19:28 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-31747 The best source you can use is the Bible. Here is a list of Scriptures straight from the Bible about how Christians are to view women. http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/08/with-sincere-apologies-to-the-ladies/ Also, here's another link that may be helpful: http://www.religioustolerance.org/lfe_bibl.htm Stella The best source you can use is the Bible. Here is a list of Scriptures straight from the Bible about how Christians are to view women.

http://de-conversion.com/2007/03/08/with-sincere-apologies-to-the-ladies/

Also, here’s another link that may be helpful:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/lfe_bibl.htm

Stella

]]> By: tusing http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-31745 tusing Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:02:38 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-31745 can you please send me more on the role women in Christianity as I am going to present a paper on this topic can you please send me more on the role women in Christianity as I am going to present a paper on this topic

]]> By: Cooper http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28186 Cooper Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:32:59 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28186 I myslef have turned away from teh Bible, because of how many suicide attempts I have made because it is a horrible thing to be born a woman. MoLL---- Have you gone for any counseling regarding the suicide attempts and thoughts in that direction? I would agree that women have it harder then men (I am a man), but many women love being women, and are glad they were born that way--in fact, I think the majority do. It sounds like their may be some deeper underlying issues you might want to discuss with a counselor. Just my two cents. I myslef have turned away from teh Bible, because of how many suicide attempts I have made because it is a horrible thing to be born a woman.

MoLL—-

Have you gone for any counseling regarding the suicide attempts and thoughts in that direction? I would agree that women have it harder then men (I am a man), but many women love being women, and are glad they were born that way–in fact, I think the majority do. It sounds like their may be some deeper underlying issues you might want to discuss with a counselor. Just my two cents.

]]> By: CheezChoc http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28180 CheezChoc Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:31:37 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28180 storbakken, why must a wife obey the husband? Should she do so even when he's wrong? Why would she need to obey at all if they have an equal, loving partnership? Why not have him obey her? Ah, but that doesn't make sense to me either. It's fine for kids to obey parents, but a spouse obeying a spouse? What? storbakken,
why must a wife obey the husband? Should she do so even when he’s wrong? Why would she need to obey at all if they have an equal, loving partnership? Why not have him obey her? Ah, but that doesn’t make sense to me either. It’s fine for kids to obey parents, but a spouse obeying a spouse? What?

]]> By: MoLL http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28169 MoLL Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:52:21 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-28169 I agree with the "no wonder so many women are turning from religion" I myslef have turned away from teh Bible, because of how many suicide attempts I have made because it is a horrible thing to be born a woman. I hate living everyday because of teh inequalities that the world ensures me I have. I agree with the “no wonder so many women are turning from religion” I myslef have turned away from teh Bible, because of how many suicide attempts I have made because it is a horrible thing to be born a woman. I hate living everyday because of teh inequalities that the world ensures me I have.

]]> By: MTran http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-484 MTran Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:23:24 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-484 Amandaline, I think that Agnostic Atheist made it clear that the issue being discussed was derived from a Christian minister's use of particular verses to justify his position. It's not misleading for AA to use it as an example of some of the teaching out there. It's not what I learned in the churches I attended when young (I've been an atheist for a good many years) but it is surprisingly alive in far too many US churches to be called an aberration of Christianity. If you have never encountered it in real life, though, it is really hard to imagine that there are lots of people out there who are at this level of belief. Amandaline, I think that Agnostic Atheist made it clear that the issue being discussed was derived from a Christian minister’s use of particular verses to justify his position.

It’s not misleading for AA to use it as an example of some of the teaching out there. It’s not what I learned in the churches I attended when young (I’ve been an atheist for a good many years) but it is surprisingly alive in far too many US churches to be called an aberration of Christianity.

If you have never encountered it in real life, though, it is really hard to imagine that there are lots of people out there who are at this level of belief.

]]> By: amandalaine http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-438 amandalaine Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:03:12 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-438 Just for another perspective, I've never been to a church that preaches/advocates the above. None of the churches I've attended or related Christian institutions teach this. For that reason, I don't think it's fair to imply that this is a Christian teaching. There are aberrations in all groups. If the position is held by a minority then I would say it's an aberration. As far as I can tell, this position is held by the minority (and it's a minority I've never even run into - I assume it exists somewhere). Just for another perspective, I’ve never been to a church that preaches/advocates the above. None of the churches I’ve attended or related Christian institutions teach this. For that reason, I don’t think it’s fair to imply that this is a Christian teaching. There are aberrations in all groups. If the position is held by a minority then I would say it’s an aberration. As far as I can tell, this position is held by the minority (and it’s a minority I’ve never even run into – I assume it exists somewhere).

]]> By: tobeme http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-392 tobeme Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:55:32 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-392 Interesting thoughts. In societys where women have freedom of choice, then this is their choice and this should be respected. In societies where women do not have the freedom to choose this is not the issue, their lack of societal freedom is the issue. Interesting thoughts. In societys where women have freedom of choice, then this is their choice and this should be respected. In societies where women do not have the freedom to choose this is not the issue, their lack of societal freedom is the issue.

]]> By: storbakken http://de-conversion.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-389 storbakken Wed, 11 Apr 2007 16:07:48 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/04/11/christianity-and-the-role-of-women-barefoot-and-pregnant/#comment-389 The wife is to be loved by the husband like Christ loved the church as commanded in Ephesians 5:25. She is to be honored as none other and she is to be praised by her family, Pro. 31:28. "To love their husbands" is a command. To love your husband means that you are a partner with him, working together toward a common goal. "Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body." Ephesians 25-30. I never understood why critics always pick verses around the point of this passage. The point is that the husband and wife must serve one another so that God might be glorified. The husband must be willing to sacrifice himself for his wife as Christ did for the church. The godly wife must love and obey her godly husband. It must be made clear that this is a letter to a church of believers in Ephesus. It is not telling a woman who is in an abusive relationship to obey her husband even though he beats her. It is saying that a husband and wife in Christ should love, respect and honor one another. Blessings and more fire! The wife is to be loved by the husband like Christ loved the church as commanded in Ephesians 5:25. She is to be honored as none other and she is to be praised by her family, Pro. 31:28.

“To love their husbands” is a command. To love your husband means that you are a partner with him, working together toward a common goal.

“Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body.” Ephesians 25-30.

I never understood why critics always pick verses around the point of this passage. The point is that the husband and wife must serve one another so that God might be glorified. The husband must be willing to sacrifice himself for his wife as Christ did for the church. The godly wife must love and obey her godly husband. It must be made clear that this is a letter to a church of believers in Ephesus. It is not telling a woman who is in an abusive relationship to obey her husband even though he beats her. It is saying that a husband and wife in Christ should love, respect and honor one another.

Blessings and more fire!

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