The fact that mankind has killed “non believers” of there faiths since they found out how to kill leads me to believe that “Always Was” ain’t to interested in what goes on on earth. I believe that this shows the maturity of “Always Was” not to be involved in mans inability to live with man without making up a definition of god and killing non-believers of their definition of god in the process.

Seems like radical religion is a cyclic behavior of man and as we grow technically the results become more catastrophic.

i am not sure if you were pting that out to me, but i think i was actually saying the opposite. i make no assumptions that it was written that long ago. however, your facts arent correct either. the dead sea scrolls are the oldest OT, but there are older fragments of the NT than 400. the oldest manuscript complete is 400, but not fragments.

anyway, i wasnt trying to prove prophecy. i was pting out that it is a silly ad hominem attack to put the Bible down because it was written by “wandering desert nomads”.

shalom
peter

As I’ve said to many of my Christian friends: a prophecy ain’t a prophecy until you have proof you said it BEFORE the events happened.

and certainly then as far as the NT goes, these men were raised in a hellenistic world. they were some wandering nomad.

dont get me wrong, i am not trying to prove that the Bible is correct. but i think it is invalid to deny any validity based upon the nomadic argument.

as a side note, socrates was a nomadic philosopher who wandered around talking to people and making disciples and he lived before Yeshua the Nazrene. but socrates is probably the greatest (or certainly one of them) philosopher of all time. his disciples’ works (plato) are incredible works. and his disciples’ disciple aristotle pretty much cleans up the rest. it has been said that between plato and aristotle there is nothing left to say. anyway, my point is that we tend to be pretty proud of our own sophistication and intellect, when there were many ancients who far surpassed most of us.

peter

Your story reflects the pathetic things done by mankind under the “religion” banner and what you write about is true.

A friend of mine who was a nuclear physicist and left his career to plant 1,000 churches in Asia once said to me, “God intended the Kingdom of God on earth. Man made it the church.”