Comments on: The Blood Of Jesus: Views from the other side http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:43:25 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Josh (guitarstrummr) http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31592 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:48:30 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31592 Oh my gosh.

]]> By: Yurka http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31588 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:09:22 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31588 #43 Lucian! How *DARE* you?! Your argument makes no sense! And it shows you’ve never bothered to read anything ever posted on this site! You are obviously an undercover troll!

]]> By: Lucian http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31584 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:36:34 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-31584 If performed today, these practices would be considered barbaric, pagan, and downright evil.

Quite so: modern society consists of some six billion vegans, with no slaughterhouses anywhere in sight.

]]> By: Karissa http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29658 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:38:20 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29658 I will still pray. Just because you may believe that prayer is a farce does not make it so. I happen to not only believe, but truly KNOW that God does answer prayers. You may not be softened, but others may be stirred. You may not see the truth now, but God has amazing plans for your life. As much as you reject him, it does not change that fact that he is alway there, willing to have to back at any time. He is not to blame for the loss, confusion or emptiness you may feel, it is your own rejection of him that brings this. I continue to pray for you in love and God’s power will break trough, whether to you or others, whether now or later. He won’t give up on you even if you give up on him.

]]> By: Quester http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29656 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:26:22 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29656 Ah, good. Prayer. That should do the trick!

]]> By: Karissa http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29655 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:17:44 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-29655 I pray that God will help you to see the truth. I pray that you will recognize this, whether through conviction or through the sheer inevitability of seeking the truth. I pray that you will recognize God as a God of compassion and love. Our sin, wretched and ugly in his sight, punishable only by death, needed to be paid for by a man who NEVER sinned. He is the only one who could atone our sins because he had none. That is why his death for us is so monumental. God loves you that much! He sent Jesus, God in the form of man, to die in your place. That is how he saved us. We can stand in the presence of God because, through Jesus’ death in place of the death we as sinners deserve, we can be seen as forgiven! Amen.

]]> By: Theodore A. Jones http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-5567 Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:08:55 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-5567 You do well to question the contemporary churches’ explanation of why Jesus was crucified but is it wise to throw out the bath water with the baby in it?
The crucifixion of Jesus is the sin of murder caused by bloodshed. And since bloodshed is the factor that took his life and relative to the fact that God demands an accounting for taking any man’s life by bloodshed an addition was made to God’s law that has made all persons responsible to Repent of the one sin of Jesus murder for the forgiveness of ALL sins.
You people may not believe me, but when you get to the other side at least you will not be able to argue with God of not knowing why Jesus has been crucified.

]]> By: Karen http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2054 Sat, 26 May 2007 18:26:53 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2054 But a Lukewarm or Carnal Christian was one who was truly saved, but did not fully live hellbent to glorify God in every aspect of their lives. Does a Christian go out and drink a beer after work? That is of the Flesh! Carnal! Listen to secular music that does not glorify God? Carnal! Hangs around watching TV when they could be down at the bus depot witnessing the Gospel? Carnal!

Exactly – ‘of the flesh’ is the terminology that was used.

I would nuance it a bit more by saying “lukewarm” Christians were people who went to church on Sundays but “forgot about Jesus” for the rest of the week. So, they didn’t attend bible study, pray, witness, etc. They weren’t “on fire for the lord” – which was the goal.

The “carnal” Christians were the truly naughty ones who might go to church on Sunday but then went out carousing every other day of the week – with “carousing” defined as “watching the wrong TV shows,” drinking, having sex outside marriage and so forth.

Of course, the irony is that for a faith-based belief system that’s supposedly all about “just trusting Jesus,” there sure was a ton of condemnation and control on what you did with the rest of your life!

HIS, I remember the first time a pastor referenced attending an R-rated movie, The Truth About Cats and Dogs. He was making a point about how “messed up” the world was, but still – talk about shocked! (This was not at Calvary Chapel, by the way.) I think half the congregation was ready to fire him on the spot!

]]> By: HeIsSailing http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2039 Sat, 26 May 2007 12:57:29 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2039 Thus saith Heather:
“It seems that fundamentalism defines ‘lukewarm’ Christians as those who don’t share the same beliefs. It doesn’t really seem to be based on how evident it is that the ‘lukewarm’ person lives a life of love, or is obviously on fire for what s/he terms as God.”

I don’t know Heather, I think it is more subtle than that. I figured that in my Christian faith, there were the bare essentials (faith in Jssus, his resurrection, his saving grace), and lots of other stuff that did not matter so much (young/old earth creation, charismatic gifts of the spirit, stuff like that). As long as you were with the bare essentials, you were a “True Christian” as far as I was concerned.

But a Lukewarm or Carnal Christian was one who was truly saved, but did not fully live hellbent to glorify God in every aspect of their lives. Does a Christian go out and drink a beer after work? That is of the Flesh! Carnal! Listen to secular music that does not glorify God? Carnal! Hangs around watching TV when they could be down at the bus depot witnessing the Gospel? Carnal!

Get it?

Several years ago, I was shocked to see my pastor leave the movie theater where ‘The Fugative’ with Harrison Ford was playing. Shocked I say! Never mind that I had just left that same theater. After seeing that, I started to ease up on the whole ‘Carnal Christian’ bit, and see it as a ‘Carnal Guilt Trip’.

By the way, ‘Carnal Christian’ was a cliche that I used to hear in Calvary Chapel circles back when I attended that church franchise. I stopped going there about 1992, and Karen reminded me of that cliche. Truly hilarious!

]]> By: Karen http://de-conversion.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2018 Fri, 25 May 2007 19:25:46 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/05/22/the-blood-of-jesus-views-from-the-other-side/#comment-2018 My way out was to find a post-liberal or post-evangelical faith.

I respect that Jonas, and I’m glad you found something that works for you. :-)

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