Comments on: The Bible’s Object Lessons in Church Fund Raising http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Wed, 22 May 2013 05:51:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: cag http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54253 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 16:57:22 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54253 Katie #23, so glad that you have such personal knowledge of what god wants. Obviously you have heard this first hand, because I would hate to find out that you are just repeating hearsay and lies. When you next meet with your god, please have it contact me directly, not through some human. After all, it would be a feather in god’s cap to convert a heathen. Get on this right now. If I don’t get direct contact with your god this week, I will be forced to conclude that your god is just a delusion in your mind and you are trying to convert me with a pile of BS and rote lying. You’re not lying to me now, are you? Prove me wrong, prove to me that you are not an adult who still believes in fairy tales and a serial repeater of superstitious nonsense.

Word of advise – quoting from a book created by a committee to sell an otherwise disgusting belief system does not work well with those that aren’t swayed by unevidenced claims.

Time starts now.

]]> By: ubi dubium http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54250 Mon, 11 Jun 2012 12:15:45 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54250 Oh, please. Like we haven’t heard all this stuff before. Like we didn’t live in a religion-saturated environment, and yet walked away from it. We walked away because it was all one big con game. We’ve seen the man behind the curtain, and can’t go back to believing in the “Great and Powerful Oz” anymore.

More of the same drivel and excuses we were bombarded with before won’t bring us back. Sermonizing pushed us away, you can’t bring us back with it. If you are a true messenger from a real god, then tell me what my pass-phrase is, and I’ll listen to you.

]]> By: Katie http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54238 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:20:14 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-54238 If you still read this old post…which I just discovered, I need to let you know that it is sad that you believe God accepted Jepthahs offering…Jephthah was not walking with the Lord, he wanted to use the Lord and he offered an offering that his pagan neighbors practiced – his action is not consistent with any kind of offering in the Bible. Jepthah practiced the wicked ritualistic killings of neighboring peoples. The very neighbors God had asked Israel to drive out because of their despicable practices. He created a “righteousness of his own.” God warns about creating your own concept of righteousness. As compared with other offerings in the Bible, such as that of Solomon, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and eventually Christ – the perfect lamb and the end of all sacrifices – you never hear God make a comment about Jepthahs offering.
As for Ananias and Saphira, Peter said it was the lie, the falsehood that they practiced that did them in. He did say, It was in their hand to do with it as they pleased, so why did they want to look impressive before the Church, yet be filled with vile hypocrisy on the inside. God could care less about our offerings – they do not serve Him. Those offering were clearly to help the needy among his people: Poor, widows, orphans and fatherless. These are the people God looks out for in any church offering and He is consistent. Read Ezekiel 34 and see the heavy judgement upon pastors who don’t spend the offerings on the poor and disenfranchised: You may be de-converted right now, but I need to let you know God is looking out for you. You are the subject of His love and He desires that you be saved….He has had mercy on your ignorance. I too, was one ignorance and I can feel why you would want to argue. He desires to bring you back to Himself – He so loved you! I pray you will understand what that means. He is so much more than the box short sighted pastors may have put Him in. Open your heart and listen to the podcast: “Daily Audio Bible” everyday and get to know God for yourself without the filters of man and organized religion and then take it from there!

]]> By: pqxarw http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-51807 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:28:02 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-51807 We0lIs jujtbouvtwax

]]> By: Jetsin http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-51804 Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:10:30 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-51804 I am ttollay wowed and prepared to take the next step now.

]]> By: cag http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50337 Fri, 22 Oct 2010 01:01:29 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50337 BigHouse #19. I believe that Jimmy #18 had a typo or two. It should read

Yes, the Bible is inspired insipid and wholly true wooly too.

]]> By: BigHouse http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50336 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 20:08:18 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50336 Yes, the Bible is inspired and wholly true

And you have evidence for this grand proclamation?

]]> By: Jimmy http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50334 Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:06:30 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-50334 wow. I’m sorry you have apparently had such a negative experience with people of faith and in you previous church. I teach from those passages, but they really have nothing to do with giving and should never be used to manipulate people as suggested. Yes, the Bible is inspired and wholly true. I pray you be able to see through all that you have experienced that was not real or true and see the real Christ. There’s freedom, real joy, and real peace. Best to you!

]]> By: Kathy Hendrex http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-49767 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:40:11 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-49767 I always thought the point of the story you used in Acts was that they didn’t even have to do that, I think they were so guilty because they wanted to appear to men “look at us we are giving too” I really don’t think the early church did what they did out of law, but out of Love they had extra so they laid it at the disciples feet and I believe it was distributed among the people as needed. How many of us have 3 cars and so much worldy goods we can never use it all? Thats what it is all about, in my opinion.

]]> By: Kathy Hendrex http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/10/the-bibles-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-49765 Thu, 09 Sep 2010 11:33:36 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/the-bible%e2%80%99s-object-lessons-in-church-fund-raising/#comment-49765 The church today is ran like Corporate America and I believe when God has a work he will lay it on the hearts of his people to get it done and if the money doesn’t come in maybe its not God’s will. I dont understand how a church could ever think it is okay to borrow money or beg from the world for money to build buildings or whatever is on the agenda for the time. I try to follow Jesus but sometimes I am ashamed to say I am a christian because people assume you are a legalist non tolerant hater of everything. pray for me, I need it. When I was young I attended a small church, they met in a very old ran down building, The people asked the pastor about building, he said when we get $1000 in the bldg fund we will start and so they did, the people gave, the pastor would be out in the church yard working and strangers would come by and give him $1000′s at a time saying God laid it on their heart, they built a new church not one fund raiser or asking from the world, God moved on the hearts of people to give to meet the need. I believe God has a better way than fund raising.

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