Comments on: Gender Equity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Tue, 21 May 2013 04:39:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2829 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:13:51 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2829 Even though I’m not bound by my rules here since this isn’t my blog, I apologize if you were offended.

]]> By: storbakken http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2820 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:10:13 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2820 I fail to find any personal attacks on this page. In fact, you broke your own rule number 4 on your personal blog when you stated: “I’m used to Christians defining their own terms and castigating others for not adhering to them.” I believe that comment was in poor taste, especially when the topic at hand is not about Christianity, but about atheism. I hope we can move forward in peace.

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2817 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:46:28 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2817 storbakken,
Please don’t resort to personal attacks. We disagree on the meaning of value. Nothing more.

]]> By: storbakken http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2815 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 18:22:42 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2815 MOI,

please don’t resort to playing victim. This has nothing to do with one’s personal beliefs regarding a deity. This has to do with our ablility to reason in communication. These are not my definitions. They belong to Merriam-Webster.

If what I’ve said is incorrect please show me where my reasoning falters. And please back it up with support.

When you say the “core values of atheism are integrity, reasonableness, and a holistic vision for humanity’s future” you are treating atheism like it is a morality-teaching belief system. The term “atheism” merely means “godlessness”. Nothing more. I would imagine some who consider themselves atheistic might be offended by your caricature of a large, diverse group.

Some atheists consider morality to be merely a socially-constructed term. Some atheists believe that people who eat meat are inherently wicked. Others believe that prayer in school is fine as long as all religious groups are allowed to express their faith equally. Atheists are a large, diverse group with many values, but atheism itself has only one value (i.e. godlessness).

Theism has one value (belief in God). Atheism has one value (disbelief in God). Christianity has many values just as Socialism has many values. Get it?

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2812 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:44:03 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2812 storbakken,
Semantics, semantics. Your saying it that often, doesn’t make it so. But I’m used to Christians defining their own terms and castigating others for not adhering to them. Common tactic.

]]> By: storbakken http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2809 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:59:03 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2809 A value is that which something is worth (i.e. equal to). It is the principle or quality of something. A principle is the fundamental law, doctrine or assumption so said thing. Thus, the only value of atheism is godlessness. To quote Simen:

“Godlessness is the only value of atheism, but not the only value of atheists, obviously.”

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2805 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:29:05 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2805 storbakken,
Sorry, but I don’t agree. A definition is not a value. A value is something you work for on principle. Therefore godlessness is not a value.

]]> By: storbakken http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2802 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:10:42 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2802 The core value of theism is a belief in the existence of God. Whereas the only value of atheism is a disbelief in the existence of God. Atheism by definition means godlessness.

Christianity, according to the teachings of Christ, has many values. This sums it up quite well:

“Central values of Christianity include Christian love, compassion, and justice. The Christian interpretation of justice involves fairness, equal distribution of resources, and positive discrimination in favour of underprivileged groups. Christians believe that God has created all people with equal worth, and so prejudice and discrimination are wrong. These views are supported by two teachings of Jesus: to love other people as one loves oneself, and to treat other people as one would want to be treated.”

Of course, there are all types of Christians, but this is what is put forth in the teachings of Christ. These are central values.

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2799 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:46:48 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2799 Better yet,
What’s the core value of theism, (defined as Godmoreness)?

]]> By: mysteryofiniquity http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/11/gender-equity/#comment-2796 Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:38:34 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/atheism-core-value-gender-equity/#comment-2796 Simen,
by that token then what is the only value of Christianity? Godliness? We know that doesn’t hold true either.

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