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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pop psychology, hokey religions and conspiracy theories? Melanie you are the gift that keeps on giving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pop psychology, hokey religions and conspiracy theories? Melanie you are the gift that keeps on giving.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39479</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blue,
In the few sentences you wrote tells even more about you. You wrote:
&lt;i&gt;You make me and everyone else smile. &lt;/i&gt;

That sounds like you and everyone else in he group are laughing at me.  That sounds like bullying to me.  Now what is gang bullying?

&quot;Gang bullying is a serial bully with colleagues. Gangs can occur anywhere, but flourish in corporate bullying climates. If the bully is an extrovert, they are likely to be leading from the front; they may also be a shouter and screamer, and thus easily identifiable (and recordable on tape and video-able). If the bully is an introvert, that person will be in the background initiating the mayhem but probably not taking an active part, and may thus be harder to identify. A common tactic of this type of bully is to tell everybody a different story - usually about what others are alleged to have said about that person - and encourage each person to think they are the only one with the correct story. Introvert bullies are the most dangerous bullies. 
Half the people in the gang are happy for the opportunity to behave badly, they gain gratification from the feeling of power and control, and enjoy the patronage, protection and reward from the serial bully. The other half of the gang are coerced into joining in, usually through fear of being the next target if they don&#039;t. If anything backfires, one of these coercees will be the scapegoat and sacrificial lamb on whom enraged targets will be encouraged to vent their anger. The serial bully watches from a safe distance. Serial bullies gain a great deal of gratification from encouraging and watching others engage in conflict, especially those who might otherwise pool negative information about them.
Gang bullying or group bullying is often called mobbing and usually involves scapegoating and victimisation.&quot;

Now I grabbed that information from bullying in the work place.  I can also go to a site about high school bullies if that is more appropriate Blue. Blue, you also wrote, &lt;i&gt;&quot;and you just keep churning it out&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;  That sentence tells me your age. My quess is High School or just out of School.  Not that there is anything wrong with being young.

Now I want to be a member of the group too, but I don&#039;t want sit with the bullies in order to fit in.   I also don&#039;t want to sit with the group that says the everything in the Bible is the word of God, because God being all mighty would have prevented anyone from tinkering or tampering with the Holy Word of God.

Melanie

Remember I was given the go ahead to argue.  Blue started it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,<br />
In the few sentences you wrote tells even more about you. You wrote:<br />
<i>You make me and everyone else smile. </i></p>
<p>That sounds like you and everyone else in he group are laughing at me.  That sounds like bullying to me.  Now what is gang bullying?</p>
<p>&#8220;Gang bullying is a serial bully with colleagues. Gangs can occur anywhere, but flourish in corporate bullying climates. If the bully is an extrovert, they are likely to be leading from the front; they may also be a shouter and screamer, and thus easily identifiable (and recordable on tape and video-able). If the bully is an introvert, that person will be in the background initiating the mayhem but probably not taking an active part, and may thus be harder to identify. A common tactic of this type of bully is to tell everybody a different story &#8211; usually about what others are alleged to have said about that person &#8211; and encourage each person to think they are the only one with the correct story. Introvert bullies are the most dangerous bullies.<br />
Half the people in the gang are happy for the opportunity to behave badly, they gain gratification from the feeling of power and control, and enjoy the patronage, protection and reward from the serial bully. The other half of the gang are coerced into joining in, usually through fear of being the next target if they don&#8217;t. If anything backfires, one of these coercees will be the scapegoat and sacrificial lamb on whom enraged targets will be encouraged to vent their anger. The serial bully watches from a safe distance. Serial bullies gain a great deal of gratification from encouraging and watching others engage in conflict, especially those who might otherwise pool negative information about them.<br />
Gang bullying or group bullying is often called mobbing and usually involves scapegoating and victimisation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now I grabbed that information from bullying in the work place.  I can also go to a site about high school bullies if that is more appropriate Blue. Blue, you also wrote, <i>&#8220;and you just keep churning it out&#8221;.</i>  That sentence tells me your age. My quess is High School or just out of School.  Not that there is anything wrong with being young.</p>
<p>Now I want to be a member of the group too, but I don&#8217;t want sit with the bullies in order to fit in.   I also don&#8217;t want to sit with the group that says the everything in the Bible is the word of God, because God being all mighty would have prevented anyone from tinkering or tampering with the Holy Word of God.</p>
<p>Melanie</p>
<p>Remember I was given the go ahead to argue.  Blue started it.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39476</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blue,

 I found an excellent artical on Evolution and Ethics and this is exactly how you think, Blue. 

&lt;b&gt;&quot;In the absence of God, everything is allowed.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; 
What that means is that whatever you choose to do is right; “... you can never choose evil.

Ethics generally is viewed as the system or code by which attitudes and actions are determined to be either right or wrong. But the truth of the matter is that if evolution is correct, and there is no God, man exists in an environment where “anything goes.” 

Jean Paul Sartre, wrote: 

Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist, and man is in consequence forlorn, for he cannot find anything to depend upon either within or outside himself.... Nor, on the other hand, if God does not exist, are we provided with any values or commands that could legitimize our behavior.

Agnostic philosopher Bertrand Russell observed: 
 These men are correct about one thing. If evolution is true and there is no God, “anything goes” is the name of the game. Thus, it is impossible to formulate a system of ethics by which one objectively can differentiate “right” from “wrong.” 

What all that means &lt;b&gt;Blue&lt;/b&gt; is that you don&#039;t have any ethics and it stands out  in your comments.  There are other people on this blog that are educated and have made excellent comments.  I also agree with their views on the Bible.  It was written by man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue,</p>
<p> I found an excellent artical on Evolution and Ethics and this is exactly how you think, Blue. </p>
<p><b>&#8220;In the absence of God, everything is allowed.&#8221;</b><br />
What that means is that whatever you choose to do is right; “&#8230; you can never choose evil.</p>
<p>Ethics generally is viewed as the system or code by which attitudes and actions are determined to be either right or wrong. But the truth of the matter is that if evolution is correct, and there is no God, man exists in an environment where “anything goes.” </p>
<p>Jean Paul Sartre, wrote: </p>
<p>Everything is indeed permitted if God does not exist, and man is in consequence forlorn, for he cannot find anything to depend upon either within or outside himself&#8230;. Nor, on the other hand, if God does not exist, are we provided with any values or commands that could legitimize our behavior.</p>
<p>Agnostic philosopher Bertrand Russell observed:<br />
 These men are correct about one thing. If evolution is true and there is no God, “anything goes” is the name of the game. Thus, it is impossible to formulate a system of ethics by which one objectively can differentiate “right” from “wrong.” </p>
<p>What all that means <b>Blue</b> is that you don&#8217;t have any ethics and it stands out  in your comments.  There are other people on this blog that are educated and have made excellent comments.  I also agree with their views on the Bible.  It was written by man.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yawn. A crazy person says what?

By all means keep posting Melanie. You make me and everyone else smile. Insanity can be cute and amusing, and you just keep churning it out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn. A crazy person says what?</p>
<p>By all means keep posting Melanie. You make me and everyone else smile. Insanity can be cute and amusing, and you just keep churning it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Stephan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39474</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Stephan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blue, That was a good story I wrote.  I thought this was a support group for those that have been disappointed with the Church. I have a lot of complaints with the Church.  

Your statement&#039;s isn&#039;t very supportive.  
Melanie’s a poe, a prankster or missing out on some incredibly strong meds.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Blue, Why don&#039;t you plug your UBS cable in your rear end and see if your printer still works.  We call that a remote connection in the field of electronics.  I heard it can also repair  software on your head.

Just because you don&#039;t believe in God doesn&#039;t mean there isn&#039;t a Hell for mean people.  Now I think there are other members of the group  here who are intelligent and worth talking to.  Maybe your the one that doesn&#039;t belong in the group.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue, That was a good story I wrote.  I thought this was a support group for those that have been disappointed with the Church. I have a lot of complaints with the Church.  </p>
<p>Your statement&#8217;s isn&#8217;t very supportive.<br />
Melanie’s a poe, a prankster or missing out on some incredibly strong meds.</p>
<p>Blue, Why don&#8217;t you plug your UBS cable in your rear end and see if your printer still works.  We call that a remote connection in the field of electronics.  I heard it can also repair  software on your head.</p>
<p>Just because you don&#8217;t believe in God doesn&#8217;t mean there isn&#8217;t a Hell for mean people.  Now I think there are other members of the group  here who are intelligent and worth talking to.  Maybe your the one that doesn&#8217;t belong in the group.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39469</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that was inane, off topic and incredibly boring. I&#039;m starting to think Melanie&#039;s a poe, a prankster or missing out on some incredibly strong meds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that was inane, off topic and incredibly boring. I&#8217;m starting to think Melanie&#8217;s a poe, a prankster or missing out on some incredibly strong meds.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Stephan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39468</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Stephan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ubi, I will try not to disagree to much, at least I will do it in a respectful way since I am a guest here.  

Yesturday I bought my new Hp printer.  I bought an HP, because I am a loyal customer and I trust HP.  My old printer finally gave out and I have been going without the use of a printer for months.  The young man at the store was very helpful.  He told me that there was one left.  I got the last one for $90 off.  I was worried about after spending lots of money setting it up that it might not work.  He assured me that it would work after I set it up.  So I trusted him.  This is why I have put off buying a new printer, fear it that it might not work, after having to read all of the set up instructions.  I waited until today to set it up.  I didn&#039;t want to do it right after I bought it.  I just hate setting up new equipment.

As I opened the box I memorized how everything was packed in case I had to return it to the store.  I even thought of opening the bottom of the box so it would look like the box had never been opened when I took it back.  I followed the instructions carefully. When I got to the point where it says plug in the USB cable I did that.  Then it said make sure that the printer is off first.  It was too late. the cable was in and the printer was on.  Farther done It said the the printer could be damaged.  I paniced, fear, I did something wrong.  Anyway I got to the finish and it printed a test page. Joy!  It printed a lot faster than my old printer, and this one was so much cheaper.  I am just amazed at how computers work.  HP is my computer God.  I don&#039;t understand how computers work but they do.  I love my computer.  I can get on it and find anything that interests me.   Then there is the software.  Software is like the intelligence(brain) for my computer body.  I see Bill Gates as the software God.  There are two parts to my computer,  the hardware (body) and the software (the brains).  They both work together well even though they were both made in two different places.

Anyway even though I had to go through a lot of fear about getting a new printer I am happy with my new one.  I feel OK now about throwing away my old printer.  I loved my old printer . It had so many features that I enjoyed, it was like an old friend.  I just hope I get lots of years out of my new one. I am no longer afraid of getting new equipment and throwing away the old.  My new one is so much better.

Sorry for being off the subject again.  Melanie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubi, I will try not to disagree to much, at least I will do it in a respectful way since I am a guest here.  </p>
<p>Yesturday I bought my new Hp printer.  I bought an HP, because I am a loyal customer and I trust HP.  My old printer finally gave out and I have been going without the use of a printer for months.  The young man at the store was very helpful.  He told me that there was one left.  I got the last one for $90 off.  I was worried about after spending lots of money setting it up that it might not work.  He assured me that it would work after I set it up.  So I trusted him.  This is why I have put off buying a new printer, fear it that it might not work, after having to read all of the set up instructions.  I waited until today to set it up.  I didn&#8217;t want to do it right after I bought it.  I just hate setting up new equipment.</p>
<p>As I opened the box I memorized how everything was packed in case I had to return it to the store.  I even thought of opening the bottom of the box so it would look like the box had never been opened when I took it back.  I followed the instructions carefully. When I got to the point where it says plug in the USB cable I did that.  Then it said make sure that the printer is off first.  It was too late. the cable was in and the printer was on.  Farther done It said the the printer could be damaged.  I paniced, fear, I did something wrong.  Anyway I got to the finish and it printed a test page. Joy!  It printed a lot faster than my old printer, and this one was so much cheaper.  I am just amazed at how computers work.  HP is my computer God.  I don&#8217;t understand how computers work but they do.  I love my computer.  I can get on it and find anything that interests me.   Then there is the software.  Software is like the intelligence(brain) for my computer body.  I see Bill Gates as the software God.  There are two parts to my computer,  the hardware (body) and the software (the brains).  They both work together well even though they were both made in two different places.</p>
<p>Anyway even though I had to go through a lot of fear about getting a new printer I am happy with my new one.  I feel OK now about throwing away my old printer.  I loved my old printer . It had so many features that I enjoyed, it was like an old friend.  I just hope I get lots of years out of my new one. I am no longer afraid of getting new equipment and throwing away the old.  My new one is so much better.</p>
<p>Sorry for being off the subject again.  Melanie</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Disagree all you like.  You&#039;re unhappy with your church because they tell you what to think.  You are in the right place as long as you are not trying to convert anybody.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree all you like.  You&#8217;re unhappy with your church because they tell you what to think.  You are in the right place as long as you are not trying to convert anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Stephan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melanie Stephan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the Welcome BigHouse.  I am not going to talk about JFK anymore. I think I said everything I had to say anyway.  I have to think about buying computer equipment today.  I really hate having to do this but I have been putting it off for months now.  It has gotten to the point that I am having nightmares about it.  So I have to get it done.  Today is Black Friday so I have to do it now.

One thing that the Church does to people is that they will throw you out for disagreeing with the doctrine. Now I cann&#039;t go into a Church cause I know I&#039;m going to be Excommunicated before I get one foot in the door. Now I disagree with just about everybody on everything.  There might be a handfull of people that see things like I do.  Now I can see other peoples point of views here. Like no longer being accepted for not sharing the same faith.

Do I get tossed out if I disagree with someone else&#039;s point of view?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the Welcome BigHouse.  I am not going to talk about JFK anymore. I think I said everything I had to say anyway.  I have to think about buying computer equipment today.  I really hate having to do this but I have been putting it off for months now.  It has gotten to the point that I am having nightmares about it.  So I have to get it done.  Today is Black Friday so I have to do it now.</p>
<p>One thing that the Church does to people is that they will throw you out for disagreeing with the doctrine. Now I cann&#8217;t go into a Church cause I know I&#8217;m going to be Excommunicated before I get one foot in the door. Now I disagree with just about everybody on everything.  There might be a handfull of people that see things like I do.  Now I can see other peoples point of views here. Like no longer being accepted for not sharing the same faith.</p>
<p>Do I get tossed out if I disagree with someone else&#8217;s point of view?</p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/06/29/calvinism-reconciles-the-character-of-the-god-of-the-bible/#comment-39424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melanie, YOU are welcome, but a lot of your posting is quite frankly, not.  Particularly, at least for me, your repetitive re-hashing of a supposed private conversation you had with a dubious god over a supposed conspiracy 40 years ago.  It serves no purpose but to drag the conversation way way down.

On that note, Happy Thanksgiving, all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie, YOU are welcome, but a lot of your posting is quite frankly, not.  Particularly, at least for me, your repetitive re-hashing of a supposed private conversation you had with a dubious god over a supposed conspiracy 40 years ago.  It serves no purpose but to drag the conversation way way down.</p>
<p>On that note, Happy Thanksgiving, all!</p>
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