Man is what he believes.’
— Anton Chekhov
‘I think, therefore I am.’
— René Déscartes

Perception is everything. Everything is relative. Reality is what we make it.

Liberty is not Freedom, Liberty is given by man.
Freedom is given by GOD.

AMEN
GOD IS not a process to read…………..

My mind is my Church Let go let GOD show you, nothing to Figure, Read or research GOD is………

AMEN GOD IS

All deist means is a GOD Believer

and claiming that because those passages are true (sort of) that your

not even sort of. If Job would have said that Earth is suspended in the fabric of space-time (which is not ‘nothing’ anymore than turtles and elephants are), I would have been more impressed.

But ubi dubium is correct Kristal. What you are doing is classic cherry picking. I am certain that you read Job 26:7 from some apologetic site, because it is a favorite of folks like CARM, Answers in Genesis, etc.. But I am also certain that you, Kristal, have not read anything else in Job 26 – because if you had, you would not be so quick to claim the Bible is scientifically accurate.

Job is speaking of the greatness of God –

Job 26:5-6

5″The departed spirits tremble
Under the waters and their inhabitants.
6″Naked is Sheol before Him,
And Abaddon has no covering.

This speaks of the primaeval giants who are trapped in their underwater prison by God. This is an ancient mytheme that is found in nearly all ancient religions – the God who kills or imprisons the chaos monsters and creates the world from their carcass. More of this ‘scientifically accurate’ theme is covered in verses 12 and 13

12″He quieted the sea with His power,
And by His understanding He shattered Rahab.
13″By His breath the heavens are cleared;
His hand has pierced the fleeing serpent.

Job is loaded to the brim with this mytheme. I wrote more about that here:

http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/18/yhvh-conqueror-of-the-chaos-monsters/

Let’s read some more from this ‘scientifically accurate’ chapter

8″He wraps up the waters in His clouds,
And the cloud does not burst under them.

This confuses me. Is this saying that it never rains or that clouds never disperse? I’m not sure – I looked on Ken Ham’s site for help, but he does not include this verse. Drat.

9″He obscures the face of the full moon
And spreads His cloud over it.

This speaks of veiling the face of the moon with the clouds. Beautiful poetic imagery, but is it ‘scientifically accurate’? Well, no – it pictures the clouds and the moon traversing on the same dome of the heavens. Before you object, just move on to the next two verses:

10″He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters
At the boundary of light and darkness.
11″The pillars of heaven tremble
And are amazed at His rebuke.

You will never find these verses on CARM, Answers in Genesis, etc. Can you guess why? The circle refers to the circumference of the flat earth, which is in all ancient cosmologies. This also forms the boundary of the dome of heaven which is supported by pillars. ‘Heaven’ to the ancients, is the sky, and is divided into layers, upon which the clouds, sun, moon and stars traverse. Earth may hang on nothing, but the sky needs pillars to support it.

How does the Fundamentalist answer this? I already know – because I was once one. I would have said:

“This portion of Scripture records the words of Job, a human who was expressing his own limited and inaccurate understanding of the world”.

I already know that tactic. But Job also said that the world suspends on ‘nothing’, and you are willing to use that to support the claims you make about the Bible. Again, classic cherry picking.

Kristal, educate yourself. There are reasons why we do not accept the Bible as in any way authoritative.

Kristal, have you ever heard the phrase “cherry picking”? That’s what you are doing. You are pulling out a few small passages of your book, and claiming that because those passages are true (sort of) that your whole book is perfect and divinely inspired. You are ignoring the whole rest of the book.

Well I can pull out the Iliad. Mycaenae and Sparta and Troy all actually existed. That’s historically true! They had kings, that’s true too! So the whole book must be divinely inspired, and Athena really exists! No? Your argument is not any more convincing to us than that.

Therefore, science proves that the Bible is divinely inspired! Christianity has a firm foundation rooted in facts! The cheque is in the mail! One size fits all! Your table will be ready in just a minute! This will hurt me more than it hurts you! I’ll start my diet tomorrow! I’ll respect you in the morning!

Good, grieving gravy. Job?

you dont need to experience a personal connection with God to see that His word is true and divinely inspired. Science proves it is. Archeology proves that it is. HIstorians prove that it is. Christians are not building their faith upon feelings. Christianity has a firm foundation rooted in facts. I have more if anyone needs them. Futhermore, God bless you all.