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		<title>By: virescentgirl</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-19248</link>
		<dc:creator>virescentgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the story of Lilith in Judaic text - there she is the first woman... then eve. It also will help to understand why in one line of Genesis it says "created man and woman"  then goes on to say that adam was created first then put to sleep to create woman.  This latter tale is told after the line about created man and woman together.  

Just check it out.   The Bible has to be looked at as a conglomeration of texts and stories - in order to understand what it is, you have to look seriously at where it came from and how it developed. 

Hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the story of Lilith in Judaic text - there she is the first woman&#8230; then eve. It also will help to understand why in one line of Genesis it says &#8220;created man and woman&#8221;  then goes on to say that adam was created first then put to sleep to create woman.  This latter tale is told after the line about created man and woman together.  </p>
<p>Just check it out.   The Bible has to be looked at as a conglomeration of texts and stories - in order to understand what it is, you have to look seriously at where it came from and how it developed. </p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Satan: The Greatest Bible Myth &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-18018</link>
		<dc:creator>Satan: The Greatest Bible Myth &#171; de-conversion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Biblical myths. HeIsSailing wrote on several myths of the Bible including the Leviathan, the creation story, the tower of Babel, and the origins of languages. I wrote an entry on the Exodus. However, I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Biblical myths. HeIsSailing wrote on several myths of the Bible including the Leviathan, the creation story, the tower of Babel, and the origins of languages. I wrote an entry on the Exodus. However, I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-15469</link>
		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not trying to be rude or anything, but I go to a baptist church I think that you need a kjv Bible.  The nkjv takes out so many words and God anly made the one Bible and people making all the other bibles what they want them to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not trying to be rude or anything, but I go to a baptist church I think that you need a kjv Bible.  The nkjv takes out so many words and God anly made the one Bible and people making all the other bibles what they want them to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Ok! Ok! Maybe I never believed&#8230; &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-9034</link>
		<dc:creator>Ok! Ok! Maybe I never believed&#8230; &#171; de-conversion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] example, there are certain concepts that I never recall preaching such as the rapture, hell, the Garden of Eden &#38; curse of the woman, Noah&#8217;s flood &#38; the origin of the rainbow, the Tower of Babel [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] example, there are certain concepts that I never recall preaching such as the rapture, hell, the Garden of Eden &amp; curse of the woman, Noah&#8217;s flood &amp; the origin of the rainbow, the Tower of Babel [...]</p>
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		<title>By: There are elves in Iceland and killer fans in South Korea &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-7818</link>
		<dc:creator>There are elves in Iceland and killer fans in South Korea &#171; de-conversion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as I believe myself to be, I once believed God created humans 6,000 years ago and placed them in a garden where a talking snake, with legs, convinced Eve to disobey God. As a result, God cursed the snake [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as I believe myself to be, I once believed God created humans 6,000 years ago and placed them in a garden where a talking snake, with legs, convinced Eve to disobey God. As a result, God cursed the snake [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-6527</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ comment 30 - taking the Bible completely literally is always going to lead to conflict.  It's a good idea to read holy texts from other traditions (the Tao Te Ching is the most succinct) together with a good commentary.  That way you get to see what is universal across all the traditions and what is particular to Christianity.

This article by Bishop Kallistos Ware on how to read the Bible is very interesting and addresses the question of historical context.
http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/11/1/4.aspx

I'd also recommend reading some Joseph Campbell, in particular Myth as Metaphor, Metaphor as Religion.  One Campbell quote that I have always found helpful is that fixation on particular symbols (e.g. taking them literally) blocks access to the numinous / the Divine.

The problem with fundamentalism is that by insistence on taking  everything literally, it loses sight of the symbols and metaphors by which we can access the Divine, and actually blocks access to the Divine.  Was the book of Revelations meant to be taken literally? I think not - it's a set of coded symbols, probably intended for initiates.  And makes no sense without some interpretation from the Tradition and an understanding of what the symbols mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ comment 30 - taking the Bible completely literally is always going to lead to conflict.  It&#8217;s a good idea to read holy texts from other traditions (the Tao Te Ching is the most succinct) together with a good commentary.  That way you get to see what is universal across all the traditions and what is particular to Christianity.</p>
<p>This article by Bishop Kallistos Ware on how to read the Bible is very interesting and addresses the question of historical context.<br />
<a href="http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/11/1/4.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://orthodoxeurope.org/page/11/1/4.aspx</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d also recommend reading some Joseph Campbell, in particular Myth as Metaphor, Metaphor as Religion.  One Campbell quote that I have always found helpful is that fixation on particular symbols (e.g. taking them literally) blocks access to the numinous / the Divine.</p>
<p>The problem with fundamentalism is that by insistence on taking  everything literally, it loses sight of the symbols and metaphors by which we can access the Divine, and actually blocks access to the Divine.  Was the book of Revelations meant to be taken literally? I think not - it&#8217;s a set of coded symbols, probably intended for initiates.  And makes no sense without some interpretation from the Tradition and an understanding of what the symbols mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-6526</link>
		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Orthodox Church has recognised for the last 1500 years that the story of the Garden of Eden is a metaphor, a myth, an allegory.  So, no conflict with science there!

Re the question "was Judaism originally polytheistic?" - very likely - you may find Raphael Patai's 1967 book "The Hebrew Goddess" interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Orthodox Church has recognised for the last 1500 years that the story of the Garden of Eden is a metaphor, a myth, an allegory.  So, no conflict with science there!</p>
<p>Re the question &#8220;was Judaism originally polytheistic?&#8221; - very likely - you may find Raphael Patai&#8217;s 1967 book &#8220;The Hebrew Goddess&#8221; interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: On Truth and Kinda Truth, Part 2: Objective v. Subjective Perception of Truth &#171; Confessions of a Seminarian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-5696</link>
		<dc:creator>On Truth and Kinda Truth, Part 2: Objective v. Subjective Perception of Truth &#171; Confessions of a Seminarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is illustrated in some of the ways I&#8217;ve tried to defend a contextualized interpretation of Adam, Eve, and the Fall over at De-Conversion. Just last week, my Greek in exegesis professor was explaining that scripture [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is illustrated in some of the ways I&#8217;ve tried to defend a contextualized interpretation of Adam, Eve, and the Fall over at De-Conversion. Just last week, my Greek in exegesis professor was explaining that scripture [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mythology Blog: Between Old and New Moons &#187; Creation and the Tower of Babal: Biblical Mythology</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-5690</link>
		<dc:creator>Mythology Blog: Between Old and New Moons &#187; Creation and the Tower of Babal: Biblical Mythology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/20/garden-of-the-gods/#comment-5674</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

Note, I am not saying I have all the answers.  I'll never have all the answers.  ;)  But sometimes matters such as these come down to choosing between what I see in a text based on evidence, and what others tell me the evidence should say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>Note, I am not saying I have all the answers.  I&#8217;ll never have all the answers.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But sometimes matters such as these come down to choosing between what I see in a text based on evidence, and what others tell me the evidence should say.</p>
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