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		<title>By: cyberpsygen7</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-51767</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cyberpsygen7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are missing the most important part of the story, whether you believe the story or not, its out of context without it.  the legend is of a time with higher technology and how much higher specifically is not mentioned. anyway, from the top of the tower one could leap into heaven BYPASSING all the regular restrictions and regulations.  

even if they couldn&#039;t build a stargate or an ascension helping device then, all of mankind united under one ruler could eventually if that was its actual goal.  i mean i could set up a &quot;you to clone of you&quot; head swap with today&#039;s technology with a 85 percent chance of eternal life, its not even complicated. even though it would give all of us eternal youth, i can&#039;t get a team of skilled but unethical doctors and a sufficiently wealthy patron (much less all of humanity) to back me up on it.

having established the power of humanity, and that there are those of us that seek power, it is more likely the function of the tower was a lie by nimrod to gain control over that power.  just like the current  intentional misinterpretations and misrepresentations of our ancient mythologies are used for the same purpose today. i personally do not believe it was always as such,  but its undeniably the case today.

at any rate there are several ways this could go down, but any way you look at it, god HAS to get off his ass to fix that problem.  he can&#039;t have the entirety of earth enslaved forever and he can&#039;t let us actually make a machine that kills all ascended beings in the galaxy or w/e else.  letting either happens makes him defy his own self image as the christian god concept, like its outside of his nature and established behavior patterns.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are missing the most important part of the story, whether you believe the story or not, its out of context without it.  the legend is of a time with higher technology and how much higher specifically is not mentioned. anyway, from the top of the tower one could leap into heaven BYPASSING all the regular restrictions and regulations.  </p>
<p>even if they couldn&#8217;t build a stargate or an ascension helping device then, all of mankind united under one ruler could eventually if that was its actual goal.  i mean i could set up a &#8220;you to clone of you&#8221; head swap with today&#8217;s technology with a 85 percent chance of eternal life, its not even complicated. even though it would give all of us eternal youth, i can&#8217;t get a team of skilled but unethical doctors and a sufficiently wealthy patron (much less all of humanity) to back me up on it.</p>
<p>having established the power of humanity, and that there are those of us that seek power, it is more likely the function of the tower was a lie by nimrod to gain control over that power.  just like the current  intentional misinterpretations and misrepresentations of our ancient mythologies are used for the same purpose today. i personally do not believe it was always as such,  but its undeniably the case today.</p>
<p>at any rate there are several ways this could go down, but any way you look at it, god HAS to get off his ass to fix that problem.  he can&#8217;t have the entirety of earth enslaved forever and he can&#8217;t let us actually make a machine that kills all ascended beings in the galaxy or w/e else.  letting either happens makes him defy his own self image as the christian god concept, like its outside of his nature and established behavior patterns.</p>
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		<title>By: The myth of the virgin birth of Jesus &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-38475</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The myth of the virgin birth of Jesus &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on several myths of the Bible including the Leviathan, the creation story, the tower of Babel, the origins of languages, and the Crucifixion story. I compiled an entry on the Exodus and wrote a short blog on the myth of [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ok! Ok! Maybe I never believed&#8230; &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-28335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ok! Ok! Maybe I never believed&#8230; &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of the woman, Noah&#8217;s flood &amp; the origin of the rainbow, the Tower of Babel &amp; the origin of languages, the Exodus, the sin of homosexuality &amp; the bigotry against gays, and a variety of other [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the woman, Noah&#8217;s flood &amp; the origin of the rainbow, the Tower of Babel &amp; the origin of languages, the Exodus, the sin of homosexuality &amp; the bigotry against gays, and a variety of other [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Satan: The Greatest Bible Myth &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-18021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Satan: The Greatest Bible Myth &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 03:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] several myths of the Bible including the Leviathan, the creation story, the tower of Babel, and the origins of languages. I wrote an entry on the Exodus. However, I believe one of the greatest myths of the Bible is the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] several myths of the Bible including the Leviathan, the creation story, the tower of Babel, and the origins of languages. I wrote an entry on the Exodus. However, I believe one of the greatest myths of the Bible is the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: YHVH - Conqueror of the Chaos Monsters &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-8062</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YHVH - Conqueror of the Chaos Monsters &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ancient myths makes, in most cases, the most reasonable interpretation. As I have written about several times on this blogsite, I love this mythology, but it just does not fit the orthodox [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ancient myths makes, in most cases, the most reasonable interpretation. As I have written about several times on this blogsite, I love this mythology, but it just does not fit the orthodox [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Just how high did YHWH fear the men of Babel would build their Tower? &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-6876</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Just how high did YHWH fear the men of Babel would build their Tower? &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 08:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-6528</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yvonne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Jen: The myth of the Flood is found in just about every mythology - again, we have to think, what does it mean on a symbolic level?  Incidentally, in the Sumerian myth, the owner of the Ark is Utnapishtim.  Nuah is the name of a Babylonian moon-goddess.  And it was Ishtar who caused the flood in Sumerian mythology.  

I think the tower of Babel myth is similar to the myth of Atlantis - a society that was destroyed because of its technological hubris (according to New Age interpretations).  That myth is once more very popular - it resonates today because of the dangers of global warming.  And the tower of Babel story resonates similarly because we could destroy ourselves with our technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jen: The myth of the Flood is found in just about every mythology &#8211; again, we have to think, what does it mean on a symbolic level?  Incidentally, in the Sumerian myth, the owner of the Ark is Utnapishtim.  Nuah is the name of a Babylonian moon-goddess.  And it was Ishtar who caused the flood in Sumerian mythology.  </p>
<p>I think the tower of Babel myth is similar to the myth of Atlantis &#8211; a society that was destroyed because of its technological hubris (according to New Age interpretations).  That myth is once more very popular &#8211; it resonates today because of the dangers of global warming.  And the tower of Babel story resonates similarly because we could destroy ourselves with our technology.</p>
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		<title>By: superhappyjen</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-5843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[superhappyjen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the stories that I heard as a child and my comment was &quot;That&#039;s so mean!&quot;

ie: &quot;That&#039;s so mean. Why can&#039;t they build a tower?&quot;
or:
&quot;He drowned everybody that wasn&#039;t on the ark? Even babies? That&#039;s so mean!&quot;
or:
&quot;All she did was eat an apple, he didn&#039;t have to be so mean.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the stories that I heard as a child and my comment was &#8220;That&#8217;s so mean!&#8221;</p>
<p>ie: &#8220;That&#8217;s so mean. Why can&#8217;t they build a tower?&#8221;<br />
or:<br />
&#8220;He drowned everybody that wasn&#8217;t on the ark? Even babies? That&#8217;s so mean!&#8221;<br />
or:<br />
&#8220;All she did was eat an apple, he didn&#8217;t have to be so mean.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The de-Convert</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-5713</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The de-Convert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2007 02:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;With this in mind, how in the world does the Christian reading of the Tower of Babel make any sense? How is it relevant to us in our modern world? Is God angry at us for our knowledge, for our accomplishments, for our explorations, for our attempts at making this world a much better place? Or would he just as soon keep us ignorant, as he forced ignorance onto those who would dare build a giant mudbrick ziggurat?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you were to believe this story, you&#039;d have to say that God doesn&#039;t want us to gain in knowledge, to collaborate together, because somehow he feels we&#039;d somehow be a challenge to him.  Doesn&#039;t sound like an infinite God vs. finite creatures to me.

I always thought the whole language thing was a bit strange.  Similar to the whole origin of the rainbow story w/Noah and the flood.

Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>With this in mind, how in the world does the Christian reading of the Tower of Babel make any sense? How is it relevant to us in our modern world? Is God angry at us for our knowledge, for our accomplishments, for our explorations, for our attempts at making this world a much better place? Or would he just as soon keep us ignorant, as he forced ignorance onto those who would dare build a giant mudbrick ziggurat?</p></blockquote>
<p>If you were to believe this story, you&#8217;d have to say that God doesn&#8217;t want us to gain in knowledge, to collaborate together, because somehow he feels we&#8217;d somehow be a challenge to him.  Doesn&#8217;t sound like an infinite God vs. finite creatures to me.</p>
<p>I always thought the whole language thing was a bit strange.  Similar to the whole origin of the rainbow story w/Noah and the flood.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen (aka Q)</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/21/ignorance-is-bliss/#comment-5679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen (aka Q)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with your objections to the story as literal history.  Indeed, I would add that the whole Bible assumes a flat earth cosmology.

In other words, the ancients pictured the cosmos as something like a shelf hanging on a wall.  Below the shelf was the abode of the dead (Sheol / Hades).  On the shelf, the living.  And above the shelf &#8212; quite literally, &quot;up&quot; &#8212; were the heavens and God&#039;s throne.

Hence Paul&#039;s reference in Philippians 2: every knee shall bow to Jesus, &quot;in heaven and on earth and under the earth&quot;.  It was that era&#039;s way of refering to the totality of the cosmos.

I take it from your subsequent comment that you think the story of Babel might have continuing meaning, as long as we don&#039;t interpret it literally.  Again, I agree.

I would be inclined to see the story as a warning that we will not attain ultimate knowledge by our own feeble efforts: that way lies only confusion.  Instead, we must be receptive to &quot;the foolishness of God&quot;, as Paul once put it.

And I don&#039;t mean a naïve, uncritical devotion to the Bible.  Rather, I&#039;m thinking of the myriad, surprising ways in which God makes him-/herself known to us: including the biblical text, but also including the testimony of others and our own experience of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your objections to the story as literal history.  Indeed, I would add that the whole Bible assumes a flat earth cosmology.</p>
<p>In other words, the ancients pictured the cosmos as something like a shelf hanging on a wall.  Below the shelf was the abode of the dead (Sheol / Hades).  On the shelf, the living.  And above the shelf &mdash; quite literally, &#8220;up&#8221; &mdash; were the heavens and God&#8217;s throne.</p>
<p>Hence Paul&#8217;s reference in Philippians 2: every knee shall bow to Jesus, &#8220;in heaven and on earth and under the earth&#8221;.  It was that era&#8217;s way of refering to the totality of the cosmos.</p>
<p>I take it from your subsequent comment that you think the story of Babel might have continuing meaning, as long as we don&#8217;t interpret it literally.  Again, I agree.</p>
<p>I would be inclined to see the story as a warning that we will not attain ultimate knowledge by our own feeble efforts: that way lies only confusion.  Instead, we must be receptive to &#8220;the foolishness of God&#8221;, as Paul once put it.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t mean a naïve, uncritical devotion to the Bible.  Rather, I&#8217;m thinking of the myriad, surprising ways in which God makes him-/herself known to us: including the biblical text, but also including the testimony of others and our own experience of life.</p>
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