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		<title>By: Austin TX Law Firms</title>
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		<title>By: Rene Diebenkorn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 04:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So bummed to have missed this discussion! Amazing quotes!

Paul is definitely a tricky subject to talk about!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So bummed to have missed this discussion! Amazing quotes!</p>
<p>Paul is definitely a tricky subject to talk about!</p>
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		<title>By: Pamela Henson</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 04:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone notice that in the book of Matthew ch24 vs 23 -27 Jesus explains to the diciples of the Antichrist! And warned them that if anyone came from the desert saying lo I am there don&#039;t go and don&#039;t listen,and believe it not!. Paul came from the desert claiming Jesus had came and spoken to him! And had no solid witness. Jesus even had a witness to his person; the sky opened up and spoke &quot;this is MY Beloved Son in Whom I AM well pleased&quot;!
  Paul tells on himself ,about adding to the scriptures. 
  Paul teaches that it&#039;s OK to eat things offered to Idols;Jesus teaches especially against it. 
   Paul teaches circumcision is nothing; Jesus was circumcised.
   Paul teaches it&#039;s OK to marry your own daughter,and the wife is held by the law;Jesus teaches to even look on a woman with lust is a sin.
   Paul teaches to put out of the church the unrepentant man(if two or so deem him as such). But Jesus said Judge not; else ye be judged
   Paul set up church buildings; Jesus said GOD does not dwell in temples made with mans hands; that you are the Temple of GOD
  .Paul teaches us to pay tithes to a man. Jesus was confused and had Peter to go get him money from a fishes belly to pay there tribute. 
   Paul teaches that we are now under a new law. Jesus fulfilled the LAWS OF GOD (Ten Commandments written by GODS own hand). Jesus brought more understanding of the Commandments. Example: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.Jesus enlightenment goes like this; Love the LORD THY GOD with all your heart all your soul and all your mind!   And love thy neighbor as 
your self ; Goes like this; Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And thou shalt not lie; Jesus said, all liars will have there part in the lake of fire that burneth forever and ever. This list goes on and on.......
    Paul did deceive the diciples and they took him at his word  after a while, and many people have been deceived. 
   All the prophecies from the old testament that have been fulfilled is no coincidence. GOD IS REAL! History proclaims the most of what we know as the bible! And even science has proven much of it. GOD IS the same yesterday and forever. Jesus said ,not one jot or one title shall pass from the LAW(of GOD) until all be fulfilled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone notice that in the book of Matthew ch24 vs 23 -27 Jesus explains to the diciples of the Antichrist! And warned them that if anyone came from the desert saying lo I am there don&#8217;t go and don&#8217;t listen,and believe it not!. Paul came from the desert claiming Jesus had came and spoken to him! And had no solid witness. Jesus even had a witness to his person; the sky opened up and spoke &#8220;this is MY Beloved Son in Whom I AM well pleased&#8221;!<br />
  Paul tells on himself ,about adding to the scriptures.<br />
  Paul teaches that it&#8217;s OK to eat things offered to Idols;Jesus teaches especially against it.<br />
   Paul teaches circumcision is nothing; Jesus was circumcised.<br />
   Paul teaches it&#8217;s OK to marry your own daughter,and the wife is held by the law;Jesus teaches to even look on a woman with lust is a sin.<br />
   Paul teaches to put out of the church the unrepentant man(if two or so deem him as such). But Jesus said Judge not; else ye be judged<br />
   Paul set up church buildings; Jesus said GOD does not dwell in temples made with mans hands; that you are the Temple of GOD<br />
  .Paul teaches us to pay tithes to a man. Jesus was confused and had Peter to go get him money from a fishes belly to pay there tribute.<br />
   Paul teaches that we are now under a new law. Jesus fulfilled the LAWS OF GOD (Ten Commandments written by GODS own hand). Jesus brought more understanding of the Commandments. Example: Thou shalt have no other Gods before me.Jesus enlightenment goes like this; Love the LORD THY GOD with all your heart all your soul and all your mind!   And love thy neighbor as<br />
your self ; Goes like this; Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And thou shalt not lie; Jesus said, all liars will have there part in the lake of fire that burneth forever and ever. This list goes on and on&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
    Paul did deceive the diciples and they took him at his word  after a while, and many people have been deceived.<br />
   All the prophecies from the old testament that have been fulfilled is no coincidence. GOD IS REAL! History proclaims the most of what we know as the bible! And even science has proven much of it. GOD IS the same yesterday and forever. Jesus said ,not one jot or one title shall pass from the LAW(of GOD) until all be fulfilled.</p>
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		<title>By: Mkhan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/22/declaring-war-on-saint-paul/#comment-40328</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you think that you will die and that is the end of it then wait till you read this. You will be surprised to learn that the religious 
contention that man will rise from the grave is not just a myth or wishful thinking but is based on real scientific principles.  Rising up from the grave and coming back alive can happen simply with the reversal of time.

    The world (but not the universe) can end because of earthquake, tsunami, meteor strike, nuclear war, supernova, and some other natural or man made disaster. These are however just local ends that have nothing to do with The Day of Judgment. End will also not happen on any arbitrary date like December 2012. The end of the universe is an entirely different phenomenon that is built into the laws of the universe by the creator. The contraction of the universe with reversal of time and gravity will commence the beginning of the end which will last for thousands and possibly millions of years. We will be removed from the regressing effects of reversed time as we 
come back alive in our own time. We will the be taken across many dimensions to beyond this universe. A beautiful natural 
mechanism that is based on the laws of physics will cause all that to happen. This real end has nothing to do with wishful thinking and predictions of priests or shamans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think that you will die and that is the end of it then wait till you read this. You will be surprised to learn that the religious<br />
contention that man will rise from the grave is not just a myth or wishful thinking but is based on real scientific principles.  Rising up from the grave and coming back alive can happen simply with the reversal of time.</p>
<p>    The world (but not the universe) can end because of earthquake, tsunami, meteor strike, nuclear war, supernova, and some other natural or man made disaster. These are however just local ends that have nothing to do with The Day of Judgment. End will also not happen on any arbitrary date like December 2012. The end of the universe is an entirely different phenomenon that is built into the laws of the universe by the creator. The contraction of the universe with reversal of time and gravity will commence the beginning of the end which will last for thousands and possibly millions of years. We will be removed from the regressing effects of reversed time as we<br />
come back alive in our own time. We will the be taken across many dimensions to beyond this universe. A beautiful natural<br />
mechanism that is based on the laws of physics will cause all that to happen. This real end has nothing to do with wishful thinking and predictions of priests or shamans.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great set of quotes on Paul.  Concur with the sentiments expressed therein.  One further point: &quot;What kind of authority can there be for an ‘Apostle’ who, unlike the other Apostles, had never been prepared for the Apostolic office in Jesus’ own school but had only later dared to claim the Apostolic office on the basis of his own authority?&quot;  Quoting Ferdinand Baur.  Robert Eisenman has suggested that &lt;a href=&quot;http://depts.drew.edu/jhc/eisenman.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paul was a Herodian&lt;/a&gt;.  I believe this point calls out for closer inspection.  The authority Paul carried may have been of birth, not study under a master.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great set of quotes on Paul.  Concur with the sentiments expressed therein.  One further point: &#8220;What kind of authority can there be for an ‘Apostle’ who, unlike the other Apostles, had never been prepared for the Apostolic office in Jesus’ own school but had only later dared to claim the Apostolic office on the basis of his own authority?&#8221;  Quoting Ferdinand Baur.  Robert Eisenman has suggested that <a href="http://depts.drew.edu/jhc/eisenman.html" rel="nofollow">Paul was a Herodian</a>.  I believe this point calls out for closer inspection.  The authority Paul carried may have been of birth, not study under a master.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Garner</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/07/22/declaring-war-on-saint-paul/#comment-11100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bobby Garner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul prophesied that the arrival of &quot;The Lawless One&quot; would be accompanied by a &quot;grand delusion&quot;, but perhaps did not realize his own influence in being primarily responsible for creating it as the essential father of Christendom, which is and has always been a hotbed of paganism taught as the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul&#039;s influence was largely rejected by Jesus&#039; followers who knew him personally, even Peter who was given the vision of &quot;The Way&quot; (as taught to them by Jesus) being extended to the Gentiles.

This in no way means that Paul was not inspired by God to transform his life from a persecutor to a promoter. His association with the &quot;Great Conspiracy&quot; against God  as represented by the Pharisaic tradition means that he had the ancient knowledge of the secrets and was oath bound under &quot;pain of death&quot; to keep them. Thus his writing is so heavily influenced by the symbolic language of  secret societies that many people have refused to accept him as an &quot;inspired of God&quot; author. Some go so far as to reject the entire Bible because of this. Many others (the vast majority of Christians) believe that his every word supersedes (in many cases) even the very words and principles taught by Jesus.

The apparent contradictions are resolved by the proper understanding of the grand delusion (or working of error) as stated at 2nd Thessalonians 2: 9-11. The delusion is for those who fail - or refuse as the case may be - to understand the importance of resolving their contradictions, allowing them to stand as justified and teaching them to others as the truth.

The grand delusion has created Christendom which cannot provide a satisfactory answer to the question of division among the different denominations, and it leaves Christians with little or no effective defense against the New Age program of &quot;Syncretism&quot;, the blending of all religions and philosophies into one. Syncretism is &quot;deception through duplicity, saying one thing, but meaning another, and having it appeal to a diverse global audience for the purpose of achieving their complicity in the deception by their acceptance of the resulting consensus which develops from the process.&quot; Syncretism is an argument for realizing the Human Potential, becoming as God, and its in fulfillment of Revelation 12:9 because it is a global phenomenon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul prophesied that the arrival of &#8220;The Lawless One&#8221; would be accompanied by a &#8220;grand delusion&#8221;, but perhaps did not realize his own influence in being primarily responsible for creating it as the essential father of Christendom, which is and has always been a hotbed of paganism taught as the gospel of Jesus Christ. Paul&#8217;s influence was largely rejected by Jesus&#8217; followers who knew him personally, even Peter who was given the vision of &#8220;The Way&#8221; (as taught to them by Jesus) being extended to the Gentiles.</p>
<p>This in no way means that Paul was not inspired by God to transform his life from a persecutor to a promoter. His association with the &#8220;Great Conspiracy&#8221; against God  as represented by the Pharisaic tradition means that he had the ancient knowledge of the secrets and was oath bound under &#8220;pain of death&#8221; to keep them. Thus his writing is so heavily influenced by the symbolic language of  secret societies that many people have refused to accept him as an &#8220;inspired of God&#8221; author. Some go so far as to reject the entire Bible because of this. Many others (the vast majority of Christians) believe that his every word supersedes (in many cases) even the very words and principles taught by Jesus.</p>
<p>The apparent contradictions are resolved by the proper understanding of the grand delusion (or working of error) as stated at 2nd Thessalonians 2: 9-11. The delusion is for those who fail &#8211; or refuse as the case may be &#8211; to understand the importance of resolving their contradictions, allowing them to stand as justified and teaching them to others as the truth.</p>
<p>The grand delusion has created Christendom which cannot provide a satisfactory answer to the question of division among the different denominations, and it leaves Christians with little or no effective defense against the New Age program of &#8220;Syncretism&#8221;, the blending of all religions and philosophies into one. Syncretism is &#8220;deception through duplicity, saying one thing, but meaning another, and having it appeal to a diverse global audience for the purpose of achieving their complicity in the deception by their acceptance of the resulting consensus which develops from the process.&#8221; Syncretism is an argument for realizing the Human Potential, becoming as God, and its in fulfillment of Revelation 12:9 because it is a global phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon:
&lt;blockquote&gt;In Revelation 22: 18-19, we read the warning not to add or to take away any words, which I believe is in regard to the whole Bible, not just the Revelation, for the Bible itself is ” prophecy”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s nice that you believe that, but the Bible did not come out of thin air and there was no &quot;Bible&quot; when the book of Revelation was written. The reason for Rev. 22:18-19 was that it was common practice to write literature, especially of a &quot;religious&quot; nature, in community (which is how the gospels were most likely written). Letters such as the Pauline epistles, Hebrews, and Revelation were written by individual authors. The author of Revelation, known today only as &quot;John,&quot; expressed that this obviously personal vision  was not to be added to by anyone else, whether in the &quot;Johannine&quot; community or otherwise.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Without Revelation 22 :18, 19 we get into all these controversies about who or what belongs in the Bible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Revelation itself was rarely accepted into early lists of the canon. The canon itself was fought over right up until the 9th century. I strongly encourage a deeper look into how your Bible was created.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon:</p>
<blockquote><p>In Revelation 22: 18-19, we read the warning not to add or to take away any words, which I believe is in regard to the whole Bible, not just the Revelation, for the Bible itself is ” prophecy”.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s nice that you believe that, but the Bible did not come out of thin air and there was no &#8220;Bible&#8221; when the book of Revelation was written. The reason for Rev. 22:18-19 was that it was common practice to write literature, especially of a &#8220;religious&#8221; nature, in community (which is how the gospels were most likely written). Letters such as the Pauline epistles, Hebrews, and Revelation were written by individual authors. The author of Revelation, known today only as &#8220;John,&#8221; expressed that this obviously personal vision  was not to be added to by anyone else, whether in the &#8220;Johannine&#8221; community or otherwise.</p>
<blockquote><p>Without Revelation 22 :18, 19 we get into all these controversies about who or what belongs in the Bible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Revelation itself was rarely accepted into early lists of the canon. The canon itself was fought over right up until the 9th century. I strongly encourage a deeper look into how your Bible was created.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In Revelation 22: 18-19, we read the warning not to add or to take away any words, which I believe is in regard to the whole Bible, not just the Revelation, for the Bible itself is &quot; prophecy&quot;.
I&#039;m no scholar, and this settles it for me if tempted to disregard
Paul&#039;s writings. They are part of the Bible. Without Revelation 22 :18, 19 we get into all these controversies about who or what belongs in the Bible. Paul is misunderstood by many of us at times and i think it causes these problems. god gave us Revelation 22 : 18, 19 I believe, to avoid the ongoing debates.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Revelation 22: 18-19, we read the warning not to add or to take away any words, which I believe is in regard to the whole Bible, not just the Revelation, for the Bible itself is &#8221; prophecy&#8221;.<br />
I&#8217;m no scholar, and this settles it for me if tempted to disregard<br />
Paul&#8217;s writings. They are part of the Bible. Without Revelation 22 :18, 19 we get into all these controversies about who or what belongs in the Bible. Paul is misunderstood by many of us at times and i think it causes these problems. god gave us Revelation 22 : 18, 19 I believe, to avoid the ongoing debates.</p>
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		<title>By: chrisduffner</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thinking Ape, I found your post very interesting as I had to do a research paper this year on Paul in my Exegesis class.  In my evaluation of Pauline theology&#039;s impact through the centuries I came to the same conclusion: its interpretations (and/or misinterpretations) are the most varied of Gospel canon.  Mainly through proof-texting did &quot;heretics&quot; such as Valentinius and Marcion make their Gnostic claims.

I personally am an Athiest, but I had to take the class, and in fact enjoyed it as I view religion and the bible as anthropological phenomena.  Anyway, I&#039;m a new reader, and excited to join in the conversation.  I&#039;ll be around!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking Ape, I found your post very interesting as I had to do a research paper this year on Paul in my Exegesis class.  In my evaluation of Pauline theology&#8217;s impact through the centuries I came to the same conclusion: its interpretations (and/or misinterpretations) are the most varied of Gospel canon.  Mainly through proof-texting did &#8220;heretics&#8221; such as Valentinius and Marcion make their Gnostic claims.</p>
<p>I personally am an Athiest, but I had to take the class, and in fact enjoyed it as I view religion and the bible as anthropological phenomena.  Anyway, I&#8217;m a new reader, and excited to join in the conversation.  I&#8217;ll be around!</p>
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