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		<title>By: nadia</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-51950</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God is curently silent .Hi does not speak .Christians relationship with god is IMAGINERY they are deceiving themselves]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God is curently silent .Hi does not speak .Christians relationship with god is IMAGINERY they are deceiving themselves</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Pierce</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-51315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adrian Pierce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 22:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does god teach you things you don&#039;t already know? This is almost sick, It&#039;s giving you an external personality that far out reaches yourself and you allow yourself to sink into a land of fantasy... I could say Vampires exist but i&#039;d have to be lying to myself and everything reality has taught me to bring myself to that point of sickness.
Like the Teletubbies and other teaching shows god only works as a imaginary teacher it&#039;s when he&#039;s taken out of context that reality exceeds itself and you just look crazy God is obviously not talking to you he is not a object or a physical or non-physical being he&#039;s an IDEA and nothing more he helps only when you understand reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does god teach you things you don&#8217;t already know? This is almost sick, It&#8217;s giving you an external personality that far out reaches yourself and you allow yourself to sink into a land of fantasy&#8230; I could say Vampires exist but i&#8217;d have to be lying to myself and everything reality has taught me to bring myself to that point of sickness.<br />
Like the Teletubbies and other teaching shows god only works as a imaginary teacher it&#8217;s when he&#8217;s taken out of context that reality exceeds itself and you just look crazy God is obviously not talking to you he is not a object or a physical or non-physical being he&#8217;s an IDEA and nothing more he helps only when you understand reality.</p>
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		<title>By: stephanie</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-50406</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Nov 2010 05:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess, having once been a Christian, I have stopped listening to fake voices I conjured up in my head.  This learned pattern of behavior never really helped me at all.  The bible is unintelligible to me and since it was written so long ago and retranslated so many times it is worthless to me.  The only thing that truly sustains a spirit is self confidence and facing that what is, is.  I suppose that makes me now an atheist but I do not celebrate it.  I wish there were more to life than just our time on earth. I just don&#039;t believe it anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess, having once been a Christian, I have stopped listening to fake voices I conjured up in my head.  This learned pattern of behavior never really helped me at all.  The bible is unintelligible to me and since it was written so long ago and retranslated so many times it is worthless to me.  The only thing that truly sustains a spirit is self confidence and facing that what is, is.  I suppose that makes me now an atheist but I do not celebrate it.  I wish there were more to life than just our time on earth. I just don&#8217;t believe it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-49627</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright you ignorant atheists... if there is no god, then HOW DOES THE SUN KEEP ORBITING THE EARTH?  BAM!

  You see people, that&#039;s how you deal with atheist skum.  With LOGIC!  Hit that bullseye and the rest of the dominoes will come down like a house of cards... CHECKMATE!

And on that note...

Dunt dun duuh DAAAAHHHH!

!!!!!!!!!MY ATHEIST STORE!!!!!!!!!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aristotle&#039;s Muse&lt;/a&gt;

This is my store.  Maybe wearing an atheist T-shirt won&#039;t change the world, but enough of them just might.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright you ignorant atheists&#8230; if there is no god, then HOW DOES THE SUN KEEP ORBITING THE EARTH?  BAM!</p>
<p>  You see people, that&#8217;s how you deal with atheist skum.  With LOGIC!  Hit that bullseye and the rest of the dominoes will come down like a house of cards&#8230; CHECKMATE!</p>
<p>And on that note&#8230;</p>
<p>Dunt dun duuh DAAAAHHHH!</p>
<p>!!!!!!!!!MY ATHEIST STORE!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*" rel="nofollow">Aristotle&#8217;s Muse</a></p>
<p>This is my store.  Maybe wearing an atheist T-shirt won&#8217;t change the world, but enough of them just might.</p>
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		<title>By: DSimon</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-47806</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DSimon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary, are you saying that there&#039;s no difference between being mistaken and being mentally ill?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, are you saying that there&#8217;s no difference between being mistaken and being mentally ill?</p>
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		<title>By: GaryC</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-47712</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GaryC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion IS a mental sickness and ALL who believe in any religion are in FACT mentally sick, delusional, psychotic.  There is reality and reality is the same for everyone.  If it is not reality than it is a delusion, illusion or hallucination, dream, wish but NOT reality.  That is a fact regardless of what anyone may psychotically believe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion IS a mental sickness and ALL who believe in any religion are in FACT mentally sick, delusional, psychotic.  There is reality and reality is the same for everyone.  If it is not reality than it is a delusion, illusion or hallucination, dream, wish but NOT reality.  That is a fact regardless of what anyone may psychotically believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Eve's Apple</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-40269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eve's Apple]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was a child I used to have imaginary friends.  I made up an imaginary world.  It was a game I used to share with my brother.  One day we got into a bitter argument about the nature of this world.  During this argument a horrible, horrible thought came to me:  Is this what grown-ups do when they argue about God and religion?

You have to understand that at that age I did not fully understand the difference between reality and fantasy.  I honestly believed that the world I &quot;saw&quot; in my mind was real.  It came as a shock that whatever my brother &quot;saw&quot;, he was obviously not tapping into the same &quot;world&quot; or &quot;reality&#039;.  He did not share my world, unlike other experiences we could and did share.

I also understood enough at that age that the question that came into my mind was a terrible, terrible question, possibly put there by Satan himself, and not ever to be discussed with anyone, especially not my parents, my religious teachers, or--as i got older--believers in general.  I did not have to wait until I died for God to punish me--His Representatives, in the shape of the adults who had authority over me, would see to it that I was punished right here on earth,  I had a pretty good idea what these punishments would entail, so I kept my mouth shut and went to church each Sunday.  For the Christians who may be reading this, especially those of you who are parents, I have a question.  Why do you find it necessary to instill your faith in children by force?  Why do you find it necessary to punish a child when he or she asks the same kind of questions (although in a less sophisticated way) as many of us on this site?  Are your children truly free to ask whatever they want?  Do they go to church and believe because they truly believe as you do, or do they go to church because they have no other option?  If the latter, how well do you really know what is going on in your child&#039;s mind?  Trust me, my parents never knew (and still do not know to some extent) how I really felt about God and religion.

As I said before, I used to have imaginary friends.  But my parents and my teachers felt that this was unacceptable, and embarked on a program to eradicate this undesirable behavior.  It was ok to talk to statues of Jesus and Mary but not ok to talk to my imaginary friend.  Again, I could not ask what the difference was.  

All my life I have wrestled with this issue, fantasy versus reality.  What is fantasy?  What is reality?  Is God reality because other people say so?  Is my imaginary world fantasy because other people say so?  Is my selfhood only to be defined by others?

When my brother and I argued it was because we were only tapping into our own separate heads.  There was no external Fairyland.  Now, I have been told that there is an external God, that there is an external Jesus, and that these are all real.  

My challenge to those who would insist that I believe that this is so, give me some proof that you are tapping into some exterior reality.  If God exists, as you say, and He knows everything, then tell me something about myself that I have never revealed to anyone.  There is something very specific I am looking for; and it is nothing that can be known by guessing.  This is how I will know that I can take someone seriously when they talk about having a relationship with God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a child I used to have imaginary friends.  I made up an imaginary world.  It was a game I used to share with my brother.  One day we got into a bitter argument about the nature of this world.  During this argument a horrible, horrible thought came to me:  Is this what grown-ups do when they argue about God and religion?</p>
<p>You have to understand that at that age I did not fully understand the difference between reality and fantasy.  I honestly believed that the world I &#8220;saw&#8221; in my mind was real.  It came as a shock that whatever my brother &#8220;saw&#8221;, he was obviously not tapping into the same &#8220;world&#8221; or &#8220;reality&#8217;.  He did not share my world, unlike other experiences we could and did share.</p>
<p>I also understood enough at that age that the question that came into my mind was a terrible, terrible question, possibly put there by Satan himself, and not ever to be discussed with anyone, especially not my parents, my religious teachers, or&#8211;as i got older&#8211;believers in general.  I did not have to wait until I died for God to punish me&#8211;His Representatives, in the shape of the adults who had authority over me, would see to it that I was punished right here on earth,  I had a pretty good idea what these punishments would entail, so I kept my mouth shut and went to church each Sunday.  For the Christians who may be reading this, especially those of you who are parents, I have a question.  Why do you find it necessary to instill your faith in children by force?  Why do you find it necessary to punish a child when he or she asks the same kind of questions (although in a less sophisticated way) as many of us on this site?  Are your children truly free to ask whatever they want?  Do they go to church and believe because they truly believe as you do, or do they go to church because they have no other option?  If the latter, how well do you really know what is going on in your child&#8217;s mind?  Trust me, my parents never knew (and still do not know to some extent) how I really felt about God and religion.</p>
<p>As I said before, I used to have imaginary friends.  But my parents and my teachers felt that this was unacceptable, and embarked on a program to eradicate this undesirable behavior.  It was ok to talk to statues of Jesus and Mary but not ok to talk to my imaginary friend.  Again, I could not ask what the difference was.  </p>
<p>All my life I have wrestled with this issue, fantasy versus reality.  What is fantasy?  What is reality?  Is God reality because other people say so?  Is my imaginary world fantasy because other people say so?  Is my selfhood only to be defined by others?</p>
<p>When my brother and I argued it was because we were only tapping into our own separate heads.  There was no external Fairyland.  Now, I have been told that there is an external God, that there is an external Jesus, and that these are all real.  </p>
<p>My challenge to those who would insist that I believe that this is so, give me some proof that you are tapping into some exterior reality.  If God exists, as you say, and He knows everything, then tell me something about myself that I have never revealed to anyone.  There is something very specific I am looking for; and it is nothing that can be known by guessing.  This is how I will know that I can take someone seriously when they talk about having a relationship with God.</p>
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		<title>By: Ngoo Nam</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-40253</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ngoo Nam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now nobody can burn people at the stakes for writing stuff like this.

Or can they?

Let them try, huh?

Some imaginary friends have helped some people, though. 

Imaginary or not, it is how people used these &quot;friends.&quot; Is it for benevolent reasons or the opposite, for malevolence? That&#039;s the bigger question.

It has been said that imagination and dreaming have led to the countless contributions to human progress and human suffering..

Used your &quot;imaginary (or not) friends&quot; wisely, beautiful people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now nobody can burn people at the stakes for writing stuff like this.</p>
<p>Or can they?</p>
<p>Let them try, huh?</p>
<p>Some imaginary friends have helped some people, though. </p>
<p>Imaginary or not, it is how people used these &#8220;friends.&#8221; Is it for benevolent reasons or the opposite, for malevolence? That&#8217;s the bigger question.</p>
<p>It has been said that imagination and dreaming have led to the countless contributions to human progress and human suffering..</p>
<p>Used your &#8220;imaginary (or not) friends&#8221; wisely, beautiful people.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-37554</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome, Cincy. My apologies if we got any self-appointed prophet on you- we only got him a week or so ago and he&#039;s hard to house-train.

On to the subject of your comment, it&#039;s unfortunate that not enough people know enough to go to the hospital when they&#039;re sick-- or worse, when their kids are sick. The &quot;wonders of nature&quot; are very poor evidence for a god; I agree. And tragic deaths caused by relying on faith instead of medical science may not be evidence against a god, but should be evidence against the sanity and rationality of the believer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome, Cincy. My apologies if we got any self-appointed prophet on you- we only got him a week or so ago and he&#8217;s hard to house-train.</p>
<p>On to the subject of your comment, it&#8217;s unfortunate that not enough people know enough to go to the hospital when they&#8217;re sick&#8211; or worse, when their kids are sick. The &#8220;wonders of nature&#8221; are very poor evidence for a god; I agree. And tragic deaths caused by relying on faith instead of medical science may not be evidence against a god, but should be evidence against the sanity and rationality of the believer.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/01/god-an-imaginary-friend-for-grown-ups/#comment-37546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Post #57   5 + 7 =12

cincyatheist =  12 letters

Talk about coincidences!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post #57   5 + 7 =12</p>
<p>cincyatheist =  12 letters</p>
<p>Talk about coincidences!</p>
<p>:&gt;)</p>
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