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		<title>By: wayman29</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6776</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent.  I love this topic.  I also have been brining out such similarities across religions.  Excellent work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent.  I love this topic.  I also have been brining out such similarities across religions.  Excellent work!</p>
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		<title>By: Hindu Gods Made Known through Creation? &#171; All Wrong</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6364</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hindu Gods Made Known through Creation? &#171; All Wrong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to claim that God can be clearly seen in creation. In a response, someone has asked, &#8220;Which God?&#8221; Among the suggested alternatives were Brahma, Vishnu and Krishna. I was [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to claim that God can be clearly seen in creation. In a response, someone has asked, &#8220;Which God?&#8221; Among the suggested alternatives were Brahma, Vishnu and Krishna. I was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Elijah Felon</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6361</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elijah Felon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As the rapture has already taking place we now recognize the Book of Life as the leading book replacing the Bible. By your writings, you are the lot left behind. You know not the day nor the hour.

From the Bible:
Luk 12:39  	And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

The Sun of God&#039;s reproach thought he could live as he wanted to carelessly - never recognizing he is the ungodly man these &#039;ultraviolet&#039; fires are burning - Yacub 7 Ali

Is this the man who did cause all the nations of the earth to tremble? He can&#039;t even go outside in the Sun of God - Yacub 7 Ali]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the rapture has already taking place we now recognize the Book of Life as the leading book replacing the Bible. By your writings, you are the lot left behind. You know not the day nor the hour.</p>
<p>From the Bible:<br />
Luk 12:39  	And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.</p>
<p>The Sun of God&#8217;s reproach thought he could live as he wanted to carelessly &#8211; never recognizing he is the ungodly man these &#8216;ultraviolet&#8217; fires are burning &#8211; Yacub 7 Ali</p>
<p>Is this the man who did cause all the nations of the earth to tremble? He can&#8217;t even go outside in the Sun of God &#8211; Yacub 7 Ali</p>
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		<title>By: Joe James</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again - I want to respond to Dan&#039;s comment in the comments section.  Dan has done what I would hope to see Christians stop doing in the near future - to give answers to every question.  
Dan giving you the website, gotquestions.org, is a prime example of Christians with some wierd complex and compulsion to answer everyone&#039;s questions with solid answers.  This is neither necessary nor is it biblical.  

Again - I remind you that I am a Christian. However,  I share some of the same doubts and concerns as does the author of this blog.  The role of the Christian is not to be &quot;Mrs. Answer Woman&quot;  but to be honest and admit that we share some of the same struggles as other people do.  Crap!  If you&#039;ve got it all figured out, then what is faith for? 

For crying out loud, struggle with someone for ONCE!  Stop being the authority on everything.  And please, read Job 38.  God doesn&#039;t need people to come to his defense.  He is perfectly capable of taking the questions and taking responsibility himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again &#8211; I want to respond to Dan&#8217;s comment in the comments section.  Dan has done what I would hope to see Christians stop doing in the near future &#8211; to give answers to every question.<br />
Dan giving you the website, gotquestions.org, is a prime example of Christians with some wierd complex and compulsion to answer everyone&#8217;s questions with solid answers.  This is neither necessary nor is it biblical.  </p>
<p>Again &#8211; I remind you that I am a Christian. However,  I share some of the same doubts and concerns as does the author of this blog.  The role of the Christian is not to be &#8220;Mrs. Answer Woman&#8221;  but to be honest and admit that we share some of the same struggles as other people do.  Crap!  If you&#8217;ve got it all figured out, then what is faith for? </p>
<p>For crying out loud, struggle with someone for ONCE!  Stop being the authority on everything.  And please, read Job 38.  God doesn&#8217;t need people to come to his defense.  He is perfectly capable of taking the questions and taking responsibility himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Cragar. Quite honestly, the Biblical narrative, if held symbolically, can be quite powerful. Literalists are often afraid of the fallacious slippery slope, but I continue to hold that the narrative, especially that which is found in Genesis, is full of profound truth - that the earth is 6000 years old simply isn&#039;t one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Cragar. Quite honestly, the Biblical narrative, if held symbolically, can be quite powerful. Literalists are often afraid of the fallacious slippery slope, but I continue to hold that the narrative, especially that which is found in Genesis, is full of profound truth &#8211; that the earth is 6000 years old simply isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: cragar</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cragar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TA--great responses to doma and Ronald.

I always found the Bible&#039;s account of creation a big conflict.  When you do a little studying and find out that the earliest versions of humans originated in Africa and were in Asia thousands (if not tens of thousands) of years before Europe, yet the Bible seems to have everyone in Europe.

And then there is no mention of the almost-man Neanderthals which were eliminated by the homosapiens or merged with them.  You would think the Bible would mention the &lt;i&gt;almost made in my image version&lt;/i&gt; of man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TA&#8211;great responses to doma and Ronald.</p>
<p>I always found the Bible&#8217;s account of creation a big conflict.  When you do a little studying and find out that the earliest versions of humans originated in Africa and were in Asia thousands (if not tens of thousands) of years before Europe, yet the Bible seems to have everyone in Europe.</p>
<p>And then there is no mention of the almost-man Neanderthals which were eliminated by the homosapiens or merged with them.  You would think the Bible would mention the <i>almost made in my image version</i> of man.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 22:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronald, I am happy that you, like many others, seem to think that flood narratives are somehow evidence for something more than the ancient world&#039;s predicament of living with floods (due to the fact that all major cities needed to be by bodies of water), but if you are so willing to accept that as evidence, why chose the Biblical account of creation over the Gilgamesh account of creation?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald, I am happy that you, like many others, seem to think that flood narratives are somehow evidence for something more than the ancient world&#8217;s predicament of living with floods (due to the fact that all major cities needed to be by bodies of water), but if you are so willing to accept that as evidence, why chose the Biblical account of creation over the Gilgamesh account of creation?</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6334</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 21:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The extra-Biblical account of the Epic of Gilgamesh, although given to fancies, does give support to the Biblical record.
http://tinyurl.com/yr95p3

The following is an excerpt from the book, The Bible as a Rising Civilization, by Paul Mali (1998):

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Paul Mali&quot;&gt;Cornfield and Freedman9 give evidence of the Fourteenth Century BC with twelve large clay tablets of the epic of King Gilgamesh found in a Canaanite stratum of a Megiddo community. This is a support of the flood in geological times. These tablets give the Babylonian account of the flood and is in close agreement with the Bible. The Gilgamesh record cites the flood disaster was in Mesopotamia approximately the fourth millennium BC. The tablets record the story of a chief god who sent a flood to destroy humanity. This god gave instructions for building an ark. This god saved a family. The flood came and the ark rested on the mountain top. The Gilgamesh narrative resembles the Biblical account. Unger10 describes and compares the  agreements and the disagreements between the Biblical and Babylonian Gilgamesh accounts. Here are the close agreements. Both accounts say the flood was initiated by a deity. Both accounts say the deity revealed the flood to one person who became the hero of the saga. Both accounts connect the flood with moral decay in the civilization of the time. Both accounts cite deliverance of a hero in a large boat. Both accounts describe the cause of the flood as torrential rains and underneath water movements. There are disagreements in the accounts. Both disagree in the nature and definition of the deity behind the flood. The Babylonian conception of the deity is quite a grotesque comparison. The Biblical conception is one of a holy and wise God. The Babylonian account describes quarreling, self-accusing deities, polytheistic in nature with childish disclaim over the responsibility for causing the flood. Both disagree on the moral causes of the flood. The Biblical account cites a moral judgment on the people. The Babylonian account cites the flood as a capricious game of the Gods. In any event, the Gilgamesh record, a secular non-Biblical source confirms the flood episode lending credence to archaeological evidence of this ancient Biblical phenomena. &lt;cite&gt;

In service of Jesus and his God,
Ronald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The extra-Biblical account of the Epic of Gilgamesh, although given to fancies, does give support to the Biblical record.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/yr95p3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yr95p3</a></p>
<p>The following is an excerpt from the book, The Bible as a Rising Civilization, by Paul Mali (1998):</p>
<blockquote cite="Paul Mali"><p>Cornfield and Freedman9 give evidence of the Fourteenth Century BC with twelve large clay tablets of the epic of King Gilgamesh found in a Canaanite stratum of a Megiddo community. This is a support of the flood in geological times. These tablets give the Babylonian account of the flood and is in close agreement with the Bible. The Gilgamesh record cites the flood disaster was in Mesopotamia approximately the fourth millennium BC. The tablets record the story of a chief god who sent a flood to destroy humanity. This god gave instructions for building an ark. This god saved a family. The flood came and the ark rested on the mountain top. The Gilgamesh narrative resembles the Biblical account. Unger10 describes and compares the  agreements and the disagreements between the Biblical and Babylonian Gilgamesh accounts. Here are the close agreements. Both accounts say the flood was initiated by a deity. Both accounts say the deity revealed the flood to one person who became the hero of the saga. Both accounts connect the flood with moral decay in the civilization of the time. Both accounts cite deliverance of a hero in a large boat. Both accounts describe the cause of the flood as torrential rains and underneath water movements. There are disagreements in the accounts. Both disagree in the nature and definition of the deity behind the flood. The Babylonian conception of the deity is quite a grotesque comparison. The Biblical conception is one of a holy and wise God. The Babylonian account describes quarreling, self-accusing deities, polytheistic in nature with childish disclaim over the responsibility for causing the flood. Both disagree on the moral causes of the flood. The Biblical account cites a moral judgment on the people. The Babylonian account cites the flood as a capricious game of the Gods. In any event, the Gilgamesh record, a secular non-Biblical source confirms the flood episode lending credence to archaeological evidence of this ancient Biblical phenomena. <cite></p>
<p>In service of Jesus and his God,<br />
Ronald</cite></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6322</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 04:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronald, in the epic of gilgamesh...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronald, in the epic of gilgamesh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: lunawolf</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/08/03/god-in-creation/#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lunawolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is Ronald using scripture from the book as evidence that the book is relevent?  You can&#039;t prove a source as legitimate by using the very source that is in question.  You can, however, collect SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to prove that the bible&#039;s history lessons are nothing more than the myth of a people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is Ronald using scripture from the book as evidence that the book is relevent?  You can&#8217;t prove a source as legitimate by using the very source that is in question.  You can, however, collect SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE to prove that the bible&#8217;s history lessons are nothing more than the myth of a people.</p>
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