Comments on: The Power of Belief http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:52:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Why d-C? (6) Stand Back, I’m going to try SCIENCE! « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-20452 Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:32:54 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-20452 [...] highlight, rarely was it Richard Dawkins ramming logic down someones throat with something like The God Delusion that resulted in someone’s de-conversion. De-conversion appeared to occur when people [...]

]]> By: lostgirlfound http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7641 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:22:15 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7641 StaCeY: You are a wordsmith for me today!

“We are a pirated humanity…” simply a beatiful picture.

“Men tell us we should worship Y’shua.
Yet Jesus Himself was always…
and ultimately pointing to God the “Father”.
To Follow Jesus… would really translate…
into KNOWING God intimately and living in His Power…as a rebel to the ways of the world.” Thank you! Seems that most “churches” forget that simple fact!

“For me… FAITH… is a WAY of living…
“PLUGGED into God.
Connected with the very source of my being.
It has nothing at all to do with man’s doctrines or theories…
religious, political, social, scientific, or otherwise.

I guess I just BELIEVE in living life alive.
plain and simple.” I believe like you.

Thanks again for giving me such beautiful pictures today!

]]> By: Tim Kurek http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7640 Sun, 09 Sep 2007 18:07:13 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7640 All of you argue points about religion and quote the Bible way out of context. The point is I respect that you have chosen to believe what you believe, but you guys don’t respect that I have chosen to believe what I believe, and to know what I know. If you are so above religion and the crap you believe it creates, then stop stooping to the level you are fighting against… “Can’t we all just get along?” and on behalf of every Christian, I am sorry for the crusades, for the people that have alienated you throughout your lives, and the generally poor examples of Christ-ians that you have encountered. I do not much like Christians either, for that matter. Or many of the modern day churches. A lot of churches and Christians are a big joke to you, but I assure you that within any group that believes something there will be idiots.

Your Theist Friend,
Timothy Kurek
http://uriahministries.wordpress.com

]]> By: StaCeY http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7586 Sat, 08 Sep 2007 23:17:05 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7586 “What I was trying to say in the blog is that people do strange thinkgs because of religious faith”.

” I agree, faith can be a dangerous weapon in any category (religion, politics, sports, etc.)”.
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Faith can be a dangerous weapon– blind faith–
as the one eyed king(s) rule the land of the blind.

We are a pirated humanity.

People do STRANGE thing over ANY kinds of faith they put in men. (like giving up all their remaining ” rights” at the remote control “wands” of spin doctors and the “programming” of high teck media magick shows)

How in hell can you have a “war on terror” anyway!
WAR IS A TERROR! doublethink reigns.

No leader will I follow but God and God alone…
no life will I lead but the supernatural one I know in Him.
Men tell us we should worship Y’shua.
Yet Jesus Himself was always…
and ultimately pointing to God the “Father”.
To Follow Jesus… would really translate…
into KNOWING God intimately and living in His Power…
as a rebel to the ways of the world.

In this article…
When I see “the Power of Belief”…
right next to the flaming towers
(of babble on and on and on)
just as they were about to be taken down
at free fall speed by demolition (explosives)…
(as silverstein even admitted about bldg. 7)…

it is a picture of what exploded and plumed and pummeled
all the last vestages of my formerly held “faiths and beliefs”.

Faith and Belief in the mainstream–
mass–media… in the govt…. in the churches…
religions… belief in the ways of society….
the mainstream systems of education… science…

all pummeled once and for all …as dust in wind… in the wake of the “attack” on my sense of reason… and human dignity…and my ability to THINK FREELY AND SEE FOR MYSELF… instead of being FED some ILLUSORY “reality” by the MASS “MEDIUMS” and “white coats and black robes” owned by the puppet masters behind the sceenes of the world stage.

The whole world sceene(seen)…
is nothing more than a GIANT SCREEN
stage show.

I have faith in no man…
and belief in no system…

screens and programming do not interest me.

For me… FAITH… is a WAY of living…
PLUGGED into God.
Connected with the very source of my being.
It has nothing at all to do with man’s doctrines or theories…
religious, political, social, scientific, or otherwise.

I guess I just BELIEVE in living life alive.
plain and simple.

]]> By: societyvs http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7541 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:31:36 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7541 I think ‘Thinking Man’ raises some good observations in the blog – the power of belief can be seen as something ‘dangerous’ (this is all too well known). I think we need to continue to address that idea within our society – and talk about rationality within our countries concerning faith systems and actions. I sure don’t want to see Christians blowing up an abortion clinic because they justified their own hatred somehow – and I am a Christian. I think this type of convo needs to occur more and more until we start finding those ‘faith nuts’ are forced to deal with their irrationalities.

]]> By: Bad http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7536 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 22:17:00 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7536 We determine it by the standard of rational debate, wherein people have to provide evidence for claims like “homosexuals are dangerous” and back it up by supporting their claims, rather than just insisting that they are correct and spreading the word.

]]> By: mel http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7534 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:08:57 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7534

Anyone who claims to be “fighting” for God, is not a disciple of the real Jesus, just a pathetic counterfeit.

No true Scotsman, eh?

]]> By: ilblogical http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7480 Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:45:42 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7480 in the deeper analysis, it is often the case that the very idea of having faith beliefs that are incompatible with evidence and rationality can be criticized as dangerous.

By what standard do we determine that something is rational or not? What is the genesis of the rationality that we can begin to criticize someone’s actions as dangerous or not?

Some consider a homosexual lifestyle as dangerous, for many reasons, and others do not. Who’s right? They can’t both be.

]]> By: Bad http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7472 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 23:41:02 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7472 ilblogical, I do not agree with the idea that everyone has faith in something. Faith, at least as defined in any sense that distinguishes it from reason, is a different method altogether for determining truth.

So by what basis do we begin to judge when some fanatic acts out by their faith, religious or otherwise?

My first blush is to simply judge their actions directly. But in the deeper analysis, it is often the case that the very idea of having faith beliefs that are incompatible with evidence and rationality can be criticized as dangerous.

Think of it as holding a gun, pointed at someone. Faith allows a person to pull the trigger if they sincerely believe that the gun is not loaded…. even though they do not KNOW that it isn’t loaded. That’s why its dangerous. A person without that sort of faith will simply admit that they do not know if it is loaded or not, and so will act more consistently with the actual situation: they wlll be cautious and not risk pulling the trigger.

]]> By: ilblogical http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7468 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:16:55 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/05/the-power-of-belief/#comment-7468 The de-Convert, touché.

I think there is some context to that scripture that could be discussed, but I won’t argue the point here.

Bad, those are good points, but where does that leave us?

Everyone has faith in something. Whether it’s evolution, God or football, it will be something.

Faith is not limited to religion, and acts of faith are not limited to religious fanatics. So by what basis do we begin to judge when some fanatic acts out by their faith, religious or otherwise?

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