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		<title>By: Porn Superstar Pov</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-52967</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its like you learn my thoughts! You seem to know a lot approximately this, such as you wrote the e-book in it or something. I think that you simply could do with some percent to drive the message house a little bit, however instead of that, this is excellent blog. A great read. I&#039;ll certainly be back.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its like you learn my thoughts! You seem to know a lot approximately this, such as you wrote the e-book in it or something. I think that you simply could do with some percent to drive the message house a little bit, however instead of that, this is excellent blog. A great read. I&#8217;ll certainly be back.</p>
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		<title>By: Rose</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-49316</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 05:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a PK (my stepdad is the pastor) and he&#039;s always taken issue with the &quot;personal Jesus&quot; and &quot;it&#039;s a relationship not a religion!&quot; people - because of just how darned selfish it is.  I have to agree - isn&#039;t it kind of missing the point to focus on what Jesus can do for YOU?  Isn&#039;t it about helping other people?

It just seems so fucking self-centered and shallow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a PK (my stepdad is the pastor) and he&#8217;s always taken issue with the &#8220;personal Jesus&#8221; and &#8220;it&#8217;s a relationship not a religion!&#8221; people &#8211; because of just how darned selfish it is.  I have to agree &#8211; isn&#8217;t it kind of missing the point to focus on what Jesus can do for YOU?  Isn&#8217;t it about helping other people?</p>
<p>It just seems so fucking self-centered and shallow.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-35269</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rohana----

Are you sure you&#039;re not a prince from Nigeria with a lot of money in the bank looking for people to share it with? I sent my ten grand but haven&#039;t heard anything back yet.  I like your post/commercial.  :&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rohana&#8212;-</p>
<p>Are you sure you&#8217;re not a prince from Nigeria with a lot of money in the bank looking for people to share it with? I sent my ten grand but haven&#8217;t heard anything back yet.  I like your post/commercial.  :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-33242</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now here&#039;s a cutesy little vid to show just what I was talking about in this old article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLBDFe3mDtk&amp;feature=channel_page]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now here&#8217;s a cutesy little vid to show just what I was talking about in this old article.</p>
<p><span class='embed-youtube' style='text-align:center; display: block;'><iframe class='youtube-player' type='text/html' width='455' height='286' src='http://www.youtube.com/embed/kLBDFe3mDtk?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;fs=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;wmode=transparent' frameborder='0'></iframe></span></p>
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		<title>By: Dewayne Avery</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-29292</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grant Dexter</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-24118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grant Dexter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this the one you meant?

I think your analogy of a letter is a good one. I think you leap to the wrong conclusions for all the wrong reasons though.

God did send us a letter and it is that letter which provides the evidence for our faith. And a relationship with Christ is based entirely upon faith.

So imagine the president had sent you a letter detailing a specific time in the future when he would set apart time in his life to develop a relationship with you. Imagine that letter detailed things like where you would live and the things you would be able to do that you cannot do now. Imagine that letter held up a long history of trustworthy reports that backed up such a promise. And imagine that you believed the letter.

Now, if you believed the president you would not be able to claim a relationship like the ones we claim with family and friends, but you could claim a relationship BY FAITH that would be of far greater value than any other you might have .

(disclaimer on any given president being capable of replacing any given relationship)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the one you meant?</p>
<p>I think your analogy of a letter is a good one. I think you leap to the wrong conclusions for all the wrong reasons though.</p>
<p>God did send us a letter and it is that letter which provides the evidence for our faith. And a relationship with Christ is based entirely upon faith.</p>
<p>So imagine the president had sent you a letter detailing a specific time in the future when he would set apart time in his life to develop a relationship with you. Imagine that letter detailed things like where you would live and the things you would be able to do that you cannot do now. Imagine that letter held up a long history of trustworthy reports that backed up such a promise. And imagine that you believed the letter.</p>
<p>Now, if you believed the president you would not be able to claim a relationship like the ones we claim with family and friends, but you could claim a relationship BY FAITH that would be of far greater value than any other you might have .</p>
<p>(disclaimer on any given president being capable of replacing any given relationship)</p>
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		<title>By: Convenient categories: The &#8220;real reasons&#8221; de-cons left the faith &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-17651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Convenient categories: The &#8220;real reasons&#8221; de-cons left the faith &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] instant gratification. 5. You’re not thinking about the future/afterlife. 6. You never had a true personal relationship with Jesus. 7. You never experienced/received the Holy Spirit. 8. You were “religious” but not born again. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] instant gratification. 5. You’re not thinking about the future/afterlife. 6. You never had a true personal relationship with Jesus. 7. You never experienced/received the Holy Spirit. 8. You were “religious” but not born again. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bunc</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-8564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bunc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing I just dont get about Christians, Jews , Muslims etc etc.
They all insist they have it right and that theirs is the route to salvation. Now they can&#039;t all be right can they? Apart from being presumptive and culturally superior about the whole thing ( ie ours is better than theirs because it ours) on what basis can one resonably choose between one set of religious beliefs over the others?
Should I choose the one that promises and delivers the most miracles? The one that breathes the most hellfire and brimstone and scares me most? The one that gives me a nice set of rigid rules to live my life by so I dont need to think? The one that lets me believe in lots of mini-spirits like angels? The one that makes me feel the most warm and cuddly?
The truth is that there is no rational way to choose - most people just end up with a version of the religion they were brought up with. 
Does that not strike people as strange if there is indeed a god who is trying to give us a message? He&#039;s not doing it very well is he for an omnipotent being!
The truth is it is all myth and fantasy grown from the need for a fairly clever naked ape to try to make sense of a big sometimes bad world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I just dont get about Christians, Jews , Muslims etc etc.<br />
They all insist they have it right and that theirs is the route to salvation. Now they can&#8217;t all be right can they? Apart from being presumptive and culturally superior about the whole thing ( ie ours is better than theirs because it ours) on what basis can one resonably choose between one set of religious beliefs over the others?<br />
Should I choose the one that promises and delivers the most miracles? The one that breathes the most hellfire and brimstone and scares me most? The one that gives me a nice set of rigid rules to live my life by so I dont need to think? The one that lets me believe in lots of mini-spirits like angels? The one that makes me feel the most warm and cuddly?<br />
The truth is that there is no rational way to choose &#8211; most people just end up with a version of the religion they were brought up with.<br />
Does that not strike people as strange if there is indeed a god who is trying to give us a message? He&#8217;s not doing it very well is he for an omnipotent being!<br />
The truth is it is all myth and fantasy grown from the need for a fairly clever naked ape to try to make sense of a big sometimes bad world.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-8483</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeoPardus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LIsa:
&lt;i&gt; I was raised catholic and treated like an outcast in my time of need. I am only going to a Christian church because I refused to give one more ounce of my time or money to an organization that’s supposed to be teaching the word of Christ and yet can cure world hunger with the amount of money that they have.  &lt;/i&gt;

I think I asked this before. What do you do with the same hypocrisy in your current church?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIsa:<br />
<i> I was raised catholic and treated like an outcast in my time of need. I am only going to a Christian church because I refused to give one more ounce of my time or money to an organization that’s supposed to be teaching the word of Christ and yet can cure world hunger with the amount of money that they have.  </i></p>
<p>I think I asked this before. What do you do with the same hypocrisy in your current church?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/23/a-personal-relationship/#comment-8472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend with whom I occasionally go out for coffee has one significant advantage over these god characters. He exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend with whom I occasionally go out for coffee has one significant advantage over these god characters. He exists.</p>
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