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		<title>By: Why I am Not a Liberal Christian &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-16755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why I am Not a Liberal Christian &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with unbelievers, philosophy of religion, etc. Eventually, when I genuinely asked myself, &#8220;Why do I believe what I believe&#8221; I no longer had an [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: cipher</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8585</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 13:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Article describing current research that seems to indicate a neurological basis for fundamentalism:

http://tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/neuroscience]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article describing current research that seems to indicate a neurological basis for fundamentalism:</p>
<p><a href="http://tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/neuroscience" rel="nofollow">http://tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/neuroscience</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Curtis, good points, and yes I believe the family dynamic is the probably the most important aspect of why we believe what we do. But of course for us religious apostates, the rule did not hold. I DID believe what I believed because I was brought up under a certain lens, but due to critical analysis of that worldview it no longer appears plausible or even possible. The reason I stayed away from the family argument is because a religionist would never admit it. I don&#039;t want them to. I want someone to come up with credible intellectual reasons why people believe historical untruths to be true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curtis, good points, and yes I believe the family dynamic is the probably the most important aspect of why we believe what we do. But of course for us religious apostates, the rule did not hold. I DID believe what I believed because I was brought up under a certain lens, but due to critical analysis of that worldview it no longer appears plausible or even possible. The reason I stayed away from the family argument is because a religionist would never admit it. I don&#8217;t want them to. I want someone to come up with credible intellectual reasons why people believe historical untruths to be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s all good.  This is what makes the world go &#039;round...different people believing different things, and getting along anyhow.  Again, if we all believed the same thing, what on earth would we debate about (and who doesn&#039;t love a good debate)?  BOR-ing!

Thanks, guys, for the opportunity to learn how others think.  I enjoyed it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all good.  This is what makes the world go &#8217;round&#8230;different people believing different things, and getting along anyhow.  Again, if we all believed the same thing, what on earth would we debate about (and who doesn&#8217;t love a good debate)?  BOR-ing!</p>
<p>Thanks, guys, for the opportunity to learn how others think.  I enjoyed it!</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Curtis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post. 

What you didn&#039;t mention (at least not in this post)---and maybe with good reason, I don&#039;t know---is the &lt;i&gt;family values&lt;/i&gt; dynamic of religion. 

It is easy to conceive of the paleolithic or neolithic extended family unit as threatened by the precocity of its strong youth. What was to prevent the young men, in an environment of scarce resources, to shuck off their fathers like so much corn? We might say that &quot;such would never happen,&quot; but that&#039;s because of the value system in which we were brought up, not because of anything in our genetic code. I am sure that this was a problem for early human families, and the totemic framework of early religion, in whatever other capacity it might have functioned, largely served to preclude the usurpation of the elders by the youth, just as it would go on to serve as a cohesive for the city-state, the empire, et cetera. 

In the past several generations, science has presented data about the Universe which makes it more difficult than ever to rationalize religious belief. Ergo, it is faulty to assume that rational decision-making has very much to do with a person&#039;s religious beliefs in this day and age. For some, it does; for far more, it is only &lt;i&gt;claimed&lt;/i&gt; that it does---in reality, I feel quite comfortable saying that a majority of those persons who would claim to hold to theism for rational reasons of evidence are merely clinging to family values that they are unable to separate from religious dogma for personal reasons, including the terror of inevitable death. For this reason, hermeneutic intricacy is on the rise. 

But, as an atheist, I have &lt;i&gt;never&lt;/i&gt; understood the view that the brevity of life and the finality of death are cause for doom and gloom. This is to deny the sheer miraculousness of life---and the uber-miraculousness of consciousness---in the context of the icy vastness of the Universe. It is a matter of education and perspective, for me. 

Great post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. </p>
<p>What you didn&#8217;t mention (at least not in this post)&#8212;and maybe with good reason, I don&#8217;t know&#8212;is the <i>family values</i> dynamic of religion. </p>
<p>It is easy to conceive of the paleolithic or neolithic extended family unit as threatened by the precocity of its strong youth. What was to prevent the young men, in an environment of scarce resources, to shuck off their fathers like so much corn? We might say that &#8220;such would never happen,&#8221; but that&#8217;s because of the value system in which we were brought up, not because of anything in our genetic code. I am sure that this was a problem for early human families, and the totemic framework of early religion, in whatever other capacity it might have functioned, largely served to preclude the usurpation of the elders by the youth, just as it would go on to serve as a cohesive for the city-state, the empire, et cetera. </p>
<p>In the past several generations, science has presented data about the Universe which makes it more difficult than ever to rationalize religious belief. Ergo, it is faulty to assume that rational decision-making has very much to do with a person&#8217;s religious beliefs in this day and age. For some, it does; for far more, it is only <i>claimed</i> that it does&#8212;in reality, I feel quite comfortable saying that a majority of those persons who would claim to hold to theism for rational reasons of evidence are merely clinging to family values that they are unable to separate from religious dogma for personal reasons, including the terror of inevitable death. For this reason, hermeneutic intricacy is on the rise. </p>
<p>But, as an atheist, I have <i>never</i> understood the view that the brevity of life and the finality of death are cause for doom and gloom. This is to deny the sheer miraculousness of life&#8212;and the uber-miraculousness of consciousness&#8212;in the context of the icy vastness of the Universe. It is a matter of education and perspective, for me. </p>
<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Simen</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8454</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa, there doesn&#039;t have to be any division between creativity and rigid logic and science. They&#039;re just good for different things, and I happen to think that you (based on what you&#039;ve written) tend to mix up the usage areas, introducing creative license where rigid proof or hard evidence would do.

That said, I see that there&#039;s no convincing you, and that&#039;s not really my intent anyway. I&#039;ll be hoping (not praying :)) that you will come to your senses some day ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, there doesn&#8217;t have to be any division between creativity and rigid logic and science. They&#8217;re just good for different things, and I happen to think that you (based on what you&#8217;ve written) tend to mix up the usage areas, introducing creative license where rigid proof or hard evidence would do.</p>
<p>That said, I see that there&#8217;s no convincing you, and that&#8217;s not really my intent anyway. I&#8217;ll be hoping (not praying <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) that you will come to your senses some day <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeoPardus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 05:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discordianism!! A new discovery. Thanks monkey man. I may have rediscovered &quot;faith&quot;. :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discordianism!! A new discovery. Thanks monkey man. I may have rediscovered &#8220;faith&#8221;. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ummm...thank you?  Of course, you know I&#039;ll be hitting the dictionary mometarily]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm&#8230;thank you?  Of course, you know I&#8217;ll be hitting the dictionary mometarily</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisa - I think you are officially our first Discordian, and I say that as a compliment :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa &#8211; I think you are officially our first Discordian, and I say that as a compliment <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/09/25/why-do-you-believe-what-you-do/#comment-8439</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 01:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simen, you know what makes no sense?  I love talking to you.  You make me laugh, and when I laugh, I feel joy.  You are a very unique individual, and I think you&#039;re brilliant.  

I, however, am a little crazy.  I was one of those unfortunate individuals who was born with a creative brain, and where you excel in all things scientific, I excel in drawing Disney cartoons. ;)

Yes, I know that there was no specific second, minute, day, week, etc. that humans developed.  I was merely making an attempt at humor.  And I realize more and more every day how much I suck at it.

Now.  To answer your question.  I did say that the concept of Adam and Eve made no sense in 2007.  However, it quite possibly could&#039;ve made sense thousands of years ago.  I mean, things that made sense in 1950 don&#039;t make sense now (and I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s a good thing).  So just because something that happened thousands of years ago doesn&#039;t  make sense in this present day, does that mean it&#039;s not true?

You know what?  If God told me that a square circle existed, I&#039;d believe it.  And yes, because I WANT to believe it.  I&#039;m one of those people who enjoys what you personally consider a &quot;fable&quot;, or an untruth, or whatever you want to call it.  I like to believe in &quot;signs from beyond&quot;.  To me, it makes life more interesting.  And besides, if I wrote a story about my life, no one would believe it.  But, dang it, it would be true.  And I would credit God with helping me to get through half of it.  You would be crediting me alone.  So it&#039;s a win-win outcome in my book!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simen, you know what makes no sense?  I love talking to you.  You make me laugh, and when I laugh, I feel joy.  You are a very unique individual, and I think you&#8217;re brilliant.  </p>
<p>I, however, am a little crazy.  I was one of those unfortunate individuals who was born with a creative brain, and where you excel in all things scientific, I excel in drawing Disney cartoons. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, I know that there was no specific second, minute, day, week, etc. that humans developed.  I was merely making an attempt at humor.  And I realize more and more every day how much I suck at it.</p>
<p>Now.  To answer your question.  I did say that the concept of Adam and Eve made no sense in 2007.  However, it quite possibly could&#8217;ve made sense thousands of years ago.  I mean, things that made sense in 1950 don&#8217;t make sense now (and I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s a good thing).  So just because something that happened thousands of years ago doesn&#8217;t  make sense in this present day, does that mean it&#8217;s not true?</p>
<p>You know what?  If God told me that a square circle existed, I&#8217;d believe it.  And yes, because I WANT to believe it.  I&#8217;m one of those people who enjoys what you personally consider a &#8220;fable&#8221;, or an untruth, or whatever you want to call it.  I like to believe in &#8220;signs from beyond&#8221;.  To me, it makes life more interesting.  And besides, if I wrote a story about my life, no one would believe it.  But, dang it, it would be true.  And I would credit God with helping me to get through half of it.  You would be crediting me alone.  So it&#8217;s a win-win outcome in my book!</p>
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