Comments on: Another Look at Homosexuality and Christianity http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 14:44:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Al Lovejoy http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-18555 Al Lovejoy Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:41:56 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-18555 No they were not, Sodom and Gomorrah and much later, the tribe of Benjamin - were judged and nearly utterly destroyed for the crime of attempted gang rape of a man and in Benjamin's case - the murder of a woman through GANG RAPE. Out of the heart comes false testimony you quoted B.W. - don't do that, not when you don't even know how to interpret literature simply... Be very careful of all those people you don't want to be in heaven with - God, in his grace - might grant your wish if you so persist... No they were not, Sodom and Gomorrah and much later, the tribe of Benjamin – were judged and nearly utterly destroyed for the crime of attempted gang rape of a man and in Benjamin’s case – the murder of a woman through GANG RAPE.

Out of the heart comes false testimony you quoted B.W. – don’t do that, not when you don’t even know how to interpret literature simply…

Be very careful of all those people you don’t want to be in heaven with – God, in his grace – might grant your wish if you so persist…

]]> By: B.W. http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-15447 B.W. Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:36:54 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-15447 The Word (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among us...The Word (Jesus), in the OT, already stated God's position regarding the subject of homosexuality. The Jewish community was well versed on what God taught regarding the subject and knew it was forbidden. Jesus never said anything specifically about homosexuality nor does the Bible reveal the subject was ever brought up to Him. He did say this however in Matthew 15:19, "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." Though it's not spelled out, sexual immorality is clearly defined in Leviticus 18 and homosexuality is mentioned there. Christ referred to it in this way when He gave His twelve disciples their mission: "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city." Matt 10:14,15 What where Sodom & Gomorrha judged for? Homosexuality....hence the term 'sodomy'. When Paul was sent by Christ to preach the gospel to the Gentiles, that’s when the subject starts to show up again (Romans 1:24-32; Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.). The Word (Jesus) was made flesh and dwelt among us…The Word (Jesus), in the OT, already stated God’s position regarding the subject of homosexuality. The Jewish community was well versed on what God taught regarding the subject and knew it was forbidden.

Jesus never said anything specifically about homosexuality nor does the Bible reveal the subject was ever brought up to Him. He did say this however in Matthew 15:19, “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.” Though it’s not spelled out, sexual immorality is clearly defined in Leviticus 18 and homosexuality is mentioned there.

Christ referred to it in this way when He gave His twelve disciples their mission:

“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.” Matt 10:14,15

What where Sodom & Gomorrha judged for? Homosexuality….hence the term ‘sodomy’.

When Paul was sent by Christ to preach the gospel to the Gentiles, that’s when the subject starts to show up again (Romans 1:24-32; Corinthians 6:9-10, etc.).

]]> By: Homosexuality and Broken Families http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-12995 Homosexuality and Broken Families Tue, 18 Dec 2007 17:38:37 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-12995 [...] I could argue from values such as compassion, which is what Jesus taught. I could point you at Another Look at Homosexuality and Christianity, on de-conversion.com, a site for people driven to apostasy by the wrongs committed and silliness [...] [...] I could argue from values such as compassion, which is what Jesus taught. I could point you at Another Look at Homosexuality and Christianity, on de-conversion.com, a site for people driven to apostasy by the wrongs committed and silliness [...]

]]> By: Al Lovejoy http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9797 Al Lovejoy Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:41:52 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9797 Let Scripture guide YOU in YOUR walk. God is big enough to love your brother - join Him... Let Scripture guide YOU in YOUR walk. God is big enough to love your brother – join Him…

]]> By: Al Lovejoy http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9796 Al Lovejoy Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:39:26 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9796 Pray for all your brothers and sisters in Christ and love them - without them, and all their defects - like your own - you would be alone and nothing. Love your brother whom you can see. Pray for all your brothers and sisters in Christ and love them – without them, and all their defects – like your own – you would be alone and nothing.

Love your brother whom you can see.

]]> By: Al Lovejoy http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9795 Al Lovejoy Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:36:58 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9795 I never said that Christ hated the hypocrites in the prisethood. Don't misquote me. I said they hated Him. The last words He uttered on the Cross was: Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing - so no, I would never have said that. Jesus loves Christian homosexual hating hypocrites just as much as He loves Christian homosexuals. And it is a very stupid thing to think you have any clue as to what the Spirit is doing in someone else's life - He's here to guide you in your own. Have you gone and done this sin no more...? I never said that Christ hated the hypocrites in the prisethood. Don’t misquote me. I said they hated Him. The last words He uttered on the Cross was: Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing – so no, I would never have said that.

Jesus loves Christian homosexual hating hypocrites just as much as He loves Christian homosexuals. And it is a very stupid thing to think you have any clue as to what the Spirit is doing in someone else’s life – He’s here to guide you in your own.

Have you gone and done this sin no more…?

]]> By: Jim Jordan http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9675 Jim Jordan Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:48:25 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9675 Karen said <i>I don’t have anything else to work with as an atheist.</i> At least you're honest! :-) Karen said I don’t have anything else to work with as an atheist.

At least you’re honest! :-)

]]> By: karen http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9549 karen Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:01:05 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9549 Jim, I look at the world with the physical information and natural evidence I'm given. I don't have anything else to work with as an atheist. I'm afraid that "heaven" is a concept that requires belief in the supernatural, which I no longer hold. So when I talk about the biological imperative and the centrality of our sexuality, I'm talking about what we know and what science and history tell us. Fantasies about another life, where we have no bodies, do not reproduce and live forever in a "spiritual" state don't have any meaning for me, I'm afraid. Jim, I look at the world with the physical information and natural evidence I’m given. I don’t have anything else to work with as an atheist. I’m afraid that “heaven” is a concept that requires belief in the supernatural, which I no longer hold.

So when I talk about the biological imperative and the centrality of our sexuality, I’m talking about what we know and what science and history tell us. Fantasies about another life, where we have no bodies, do not reproduce and live forever in a “spiritual” state don’t have any meaning for me, I’m afraid.

]]> By: Jim http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9537 Jim Fri, 02 Nov 2007 14:03:19 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9537 Al said <i>Jesus loved gays, prostitutes, drunks, all manner of weird and wonderful sinners and the hypocrites in the Priesthood hated Him too.</i> Did Jesus not love the "hypocrites in the Priesthood", too? Are you inferring that Jesus hated the priesthood, bt loved eeveryone else? He also told the adulteress, "go and sin no more". Al said <i>Someone else’s sex drive is not holier or filthier than your own</i> Where did I say that? Karen Planning on having babies in Heaven? Reproduction is imperative for us to continue as a<i> species</i>. It is not a spiritual imperative at all. Al said Jesus loved gays, prostitutes, drunks, all manner of weird and wonderful sinners and the hypocrites in the Priesthood hated Him too.

Did Jesus not love the “hypocrites in the Priesthood”, too? Are you inferring that Jesus hated the priesthood, bt loved eeveryone else?
He also told the adulteress, “go and sin no more”.

Al said Someone else’s sex drive is not holier or filthier than your own

Where did I say that?

Karen
Planning on having babies in Heaven? Reproduction is imperative for us to continue as a species. It is not a spiritual imperative at all.

]]> By: karen http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9505 karen Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:14:54 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/10/17/another-look-at-homosexuality-and-christianity/#comment-9505 <i>How central can your sexuality be anyway?</i> Well, if you accept that our highest biological imperative is to reproduce, I'd say an individual's sexuality is pretty central to his/her existence. How central can your sexuality be anyway?

Well, if you accept that our highest biological imperative is to reproduce, I’d say an individual’s sexuality is pretty central to his/her existence.

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