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By: Obi

Obi — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:40:46 +0000

Where’s the truth in that statement…?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:34:31 +0000

I’ll tell you all what the truth is……..

NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING FOR SURE SO TAKE YOUR PICK I N LIFE….AT THE END WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE AND THAT WILL BE THE END TO THE WHOLE STORY.

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From Fundy to Orthodox to Apostate « de-conversion — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:37:13 +0000

[...] addition, since any descriptor of God is meaningless, we must worship, “We know not what.” How could I have any relationship to that which I could not even vaguely define? How could I [...]

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Reasons why I can no longer believe: 3 - Unchanged lives « de-conversion — Sun, 09 Dec 2007 05:21:38 +0000

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By: HeIsSailing

HeIsSailing — Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:56:53 +0000

Thus saith Karen:

I was always given the fundamentalist answer that 1) it was because god was somehow “lacking” without humanity (which is already contradictory because a perfect being lacks for nothing) and 2) god created us because he wanted us to CHOOSE to worship and serve him.

There is another one I heard frequenty – God created us as an expression and demonstration of his glory and love.

When asked while witnessing, (and I was), I just said ‘I don’t know – there are mysteries that we cannot know’. Honestly, I still think that in some ways that is the most satisfactory answer.

By: loopyloo350

loopyloo350 — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:19:37 +0000

Karen, wow!! If this is what you were taught I don’t blame you for losing your faith. I’m even more surprised that you could retain it as long as you did. 1)As an artist I find myself constantly needing to create, maybe because I always think next time I will do it better, so I have no problem accepting that God would have the desire to continue creation, and I say continue, because it does continue. The only beginning and end is God. 2)He gave us free will, how we choose to use that is up to us. If we choose to bow down, that is our choice, If we put God on a pedestle and decide that we want to be a close to perfection as possible is that not worship? No one requires us to grovel, what we are required to have is respect. If we love at the same time, or fear to disappoint is that not worship? There is also a difference between need and desire, I love my children and hope they love me, but if I disappoint them and they feel they can’t love me any longer, then that is because I failed. I sometimes see glimmers of why you have lost your faith and why you disbelieve but you are tying strings around a box without even checking that the box contains what you think it does. I’m sorry if I did not answer your question but am not sure that you want answers or if you want to prove the lack of answers by insisting that what I and others believe is just so silly that sane people can not believe. If we are created in the image of the creator, does that mean physical image or because we are so much more and always changing does that just mean we haven’t got anywhere near where we have to go yet. We are books still being written, why should we limit ourselves to the past as if that is how we must judge God.

By: karen

karen — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:30:41 +0000

Loopyloop makes a good distinction. Karen, we are obligated merely because we have been created. Consider how foolish a creation it is that rebels against it’s own creator. A vain and foolish creation.

Poppycock. At the risk of being heretical, like slapdash mentions, try to step outside your paradigm and consider the bigger picture for just a moment. God’s omniscient, omnipotent, perfect, complete, larger than our puny minds can understand, right?

So, why did he need to create humanity? If he wanted to exercise his creativity, why not just create the universe and the earth with its plants and animals? Why did he need to create sentient beings? He had the angels already, right?

I was always given the fundamentalist answer that 1) it was because god was somehow “lacking” without humanity (which is already contradictory because a perfect being lacks for nothing) and 2) god created us because he wanted us to CHOOSE to worship and serve him.

Again, what kind of infinitely perfect, all-powerful supernatural deity needs puny little people to bow before him and sing his praises for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever … you get my point. Doesn’t that strike you as a god who’s got some insecurity issues? Any human ruler who did that would be rightfully seen as a crazy egomaniac. Why can’t we hold the all-powerful god to at least a human standard?

By: Thinking Ape

Thinking Ape — Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:57:47 +0000

HQ19:7,

But our creator needs nothing.

If there is no creation, how can there be a creator? Without a creation, such a powerful being only has the potentiality of being a creator.