Isn’t homosexuality a renunciation of the Other?

I wonder why people keep asking that question. Evy/Fundy’s are far from silent on those topics. How is it that people keep missing that fact?

Go type “no fault divorce” into a search engine. Or try it on the web pages of Family Research Council, or Focus on the Family, or several other vocal Christian groups. You’ll get plenty.

If you search “single parent adoption” you’ll get less. Partly because it’s a smaller issue. Most adoption agencies will hardly talk to a single parent, so the issue just about dies right there.

Thanks for pointing that one out.

I agree on the chicken-egg thing.

Again. That’s not anywhere in the citations.

Yeah, it is. Here:

The authors examined the communication of affection in men’s relationships with their fathers. Drawing from Affection Exchange Theory, the authors advanced four predictions: (a) heterosexual men receive more affection from their own fathers than do homosexual or bisexual men, (b) fathers communicate affection to their sons more through supportive activities than through direct verbal statements or nonverbal gestures, (c) affectionate communication between fathers and sons is linearly related to closeness and interpersonal involvement between them, and (d) fathers’ awareness of their sons’ sexual orientation is associated with the amount of affection that the fathers communicate to them. Participants were 170 adult men who completed questionnaires regarding affectionate communication in their relationships with their fathers. Half of the men were self-identified as exclusively heterosexual, and the other half were self-identified as exclusively homosexual or bisexual. The results supported all predictions substantially.

It seems to me like this is a chicken-egg thing. Do parental relationships with kids cause homosexuality, or are the kids homosexually oriented first and that orientation affects the parental relationships?

Obviously this is a subject that will continue to be studied; it’ll be interesting to see where the conclusions are in a decade or so.

The study? There are three citations. Nearly 30? One is. The others are within the last 4 years.

when it comes to family dynamics doesn’t seem to be related to causation of homosexuality, but rather how parental relationships are different with sons they perceive to be homosexuals versus sons they perceive to be heterosexuals.

Huh? That’s nowhere in any of the articles.

fathers’ awareness of their sons’ sexual orientation is associated with the amount of affection that the fathers communicate to them.

Again. That’s not anywhere in the citations.

Interesting that you didn’t turn up studies done on females.

Wasn’t looking for that in particular.

What I’m seeing there (other than the study that is nearly 30 years old) when it comes to family dynamics doesn’t seem to be related to causation of homosexuality, but rather how parental relationships are different with sons they perceive to be homosexuals versus sons they perceive to be heterosexuals.

fathers’ awareness of their sons’ sexual orientation is associated with the amount of affection that the fathers communicate to them.

Interesting that you didn’t turn up studies done on females.

The study that talks about older brothers and handedness is related to biological causes and has to do with the amount of hormone present during gestation, and whether that has an impact on the development of homosexuality in utero. This idea, that sexual orientation is fixed similarly to handedness, is the basic premise of the book I mentioned earlier, “A Place at the Table.” Over the centuries, religion has demonized both minority orientations – homosexuality and left-handedness – and tried without much success to “cure” both.

If you talk to homosexuals about their perception of their own sexual orientation, all/most of them will tell you that they were aware of their attractions to same sex from a very young age, perhaps as early as preschool. Unless they are truly bisexual, they did not grow up feeling attracted to the opposite sex and then at some point during adolescence change their orientation after their difficult relationships with dad or overprotection from mom. Could this happen subconsciously? Yes, I suppose so, but it seems more likely to me that there’s something more fundamental going on that shapes all our sexual orientation.

Thanks for the source link. Just the sort of info i was looking for. If you have more, let me know.

Fathers, sons, and sexual orientation: replication of a Bieber hypothesis.
Friedman RC, Stern LO.
Psychiatr Q. 1980 Fall;52(3):175-89.

This retrospective study compares memories of the father-son relationship between lifelong socially well-adjusted, non-patient homosexual and heterosexual men. No homosexual subject reported the presence of a reasonably intact, positive relationship with his father or father surrogate during preadolescent years, whereas 12 of the 17 heterosexual men did. Previous investigators have hypothesized that a constructive, supportive father-son relationship precludes the development of homosexual orientation. This hypothesis stemmed from investigation of men who in general suffered from significant global psychopathology. The data in the present investigation supports the notion that a meaningful association, which is not attributable to confounding psychopathology, exists between quality of father-son relationship during early life and male sexual orientation.

J Soc Psychol. 2004 Apr;144(2):191-206.

Human affection exchange: VI. Further tests of reproductive probability as a predictor of men’s affection with their adult sons.
Floyd K, Sargent JE, Di Corcia M.
J Soc Psychol. 2004 Apr;144(2):191-206.

The authors examined the communication of affection in men’s relationships with their fathers. Drawing from Affection Exchange Theory, the authors advanced four predictions: (a) heterosexual men receive more affection from their own fathers than do homosexual or bisexual men, (b) fathers communicate affection to their sons more through supportive activities than through direct verbal statements or nonverbal gestures, (c) affectionate communication between fathers and sons is linearly related to closeness and interpersonal involvement between them, and (d) fathers’ awareness of their sons’ sexual orientation is associated with the amount of affection that the fathers communicate to them. Participants were 170 adult men who completed questionnaires regarding affectionate communication in their relationships with their fathers. Half of the men were self-identified as exclusively heterosexual, and the other half were self-identified as exclusively homosexual or bisexual. The results supported all predictions substantially.

Father-son attachment and sexual partner orientation in Taiwan.
Lung FW, Shu BC.
Compr Psychiatry. 2007 Jan-Feb;48(1):20-6.

The topic of homosexual adjustment problems has never been explored in Taiwan. The aim of this study was to investigate the role of parental bonding in the adjustment problems of homosexuals. A total of 51 young homosexual males, 100 nonhomosexual personnel with adjustment disorder, and 124 controls were administered the Parental Bonding Instrument, the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire, and the Chinese Health Questionnaire. The final parsimonious logistic regression and structural equation modeling showed paternal attachment, especially paternal overprotection, to be a predisposing factor in the development of homosexuality. Paternal attachment, introversion, and neurotic characteristics were key factors in the development of homosexuals. In particular, paternal overprotection played the most important role in the developmental process of male homosexuals. This study can be used as a reference for clinical personnel in caring for male homosexuals.