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		<title>By: Dale701</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/16/worthy-of-damnation-a-wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth/#comment-41322</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and while my god self is at it, I would have created a world where life does not feed on life.
And you would have a lot more free will than you have now.
(No time spent eating and shiting or sleeping)
If you think I could not do this, then how do you account for heaven?
And I would be be a good father and not send my son to be killed by you sinning worthless humans!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and while my god self is at it, I would have created a world where life does not feed on life.<br />
And you would have a lot more free will than you have now.<br />
(No time spent eating and shiting or sleeping)<br />
If you think I could not do this, then how do you account for heaven?<br />
And I would be be a good father and not send my son to be killed by you sinning worthless humans!</p>
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		<title>By: Dale701</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/16/worthy-of-damnation-a-wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth/#comment-41321</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dean.........
i believe the proper focus to have on this is that God does still indeed think so much of us that He was willing to sacrifice His perfect, sinless Son on the cross to cover our sin and make a way for us to be reconciled to Him.

Dean, you do not how utterly stupid that sounds to me.
If I was this all powerful god you believe in, I would just forgive you if I so chose. No hocus pocus needed.
What else can my all powerful self, not do?

I would send you to hell just for believing something so stupid!
Now tell me why I cannot do that?
Oh, you read it in an ancient book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dean&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
i believe the proper focus to have on this is that God does still indeed think so much of us that He was willing to sacrifice His perfect, sinless Son on the cross to cover our sin and make a way for us to be reconciled to Him.</p>
<p>Dean, you do not how utterly stupid that sounds to me.<br />
If I was this all powerful god you believe in, I would just forgive you if I so chose. No hocus pocus needed.<br />
What else can my all powerful self, not do?</p>
<p>I would send you to hell just for believing something so stupid!<br />
Now tell me why I cannot do that?<br />
Oh, you read it in an ancient book.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale701</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/16/worthy-of-damnation-a-wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth/#comment-41320</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[23. loopyloo350  &#124;  November 17, 2007 at 5:41 pm

Yes, I do! It’s is what I was taught as Jehova’s Witness. But there are Churches that preach the same, Assembly of God for one, Church of Christ has some similar beliefs.

I do not know what church of christ you are talking about, but the one I was raised in, thought only a very few of even the church of christ people were going to heaven, the rest were bound for hell.
The bible says many are called few are chosen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>23. loopyloo350  |  November 17, 2007 at 5:41 pm</p>
<p>Yes, I do! It’s is what I was taught as Jehova’s Witness. But there are Churches that preach the same, Assembly of God for one, Church of Christ has some similar beliefs.</p>
<p>I do not know what church of christ you are talking about, but the one I was raised in, thought only a very few of even the church of christ people were going to heaven, the rest were bound for hell.<br />
The bible says many are called few are chosen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale701</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/16/worthy-of-damnation-a-wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth/#comment-41319</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[8. heatlight  &#124;  November 17, 2007 at 9:14 am

I’ve found a degree of comfort, however, at times with the thought that my value is not wrapped up in myself – my actions, and my life – and is totally derived from God, as that means – though in myself I may be a sinner – my worth is actually what someone was willing to ‘pay’ for me…given that the price was God himself (in a sense), even at my worst I am still invaluable – priceless.

There are probably billions upon billions upon billions of planets, imagine christ having to sacrifice himself billions and billions of times, his life only seems priceless for endless torture, I would not count on a god of this nature giving you endless bliss under any circumstances, he might grant you the pleasure of taking over for christ on a few worlds.
Remember god is always right and good.
good luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8. heatlight  |  November 17, 2007 at 9:14 am</p>
<p>I’ve found a degree of comfort, however, at times with the thought that my value is not wrapped up in myself – my actions, and my life – and is totally derived from God, as that means – though in myself I may be a sinner – my worth is actually what someone was willing to ‘pay’ for me…given that the price was God himself (in a sense), even at my worst I am still invaluable – priceless.</p>
<p>There are probably billions upon billions upon billions of planets, imagine christ having to sacrifice himself billions and billions of times, his life only seems priceless for endless torture, I would not count on a god of this nature giving you endless bliss under any circumstances, he might grant you the pleasure of taking over for christ on a few worlds.<br />
Remember god is always right and good.<br />
good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: CheezChoc</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Baptist church I grew up in was really into the whole &quot;You&#039;re wicked and you suck and you deserve to go to hell&quot; thing.  It really does a number on you.

Back to the concept of hell:  Eternal torment for temporal crimes makes no sense.  You&#039;d think that even Hitler would get the point after a few billion years of torment, but no--that&#039;s not even the start. And what for?  Is he supposed to learn from it? How are learning and repentence possible if the penalty is endless?

And what about someone like Anne Frank or Gandhi?  They didn&#039;t have the right belief system, so....they go to hell too?  
Does that make any sense at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Baptist church I grew up in was really into the whole &#8220;You&#8217;re wicked and you suck and you deserve to go to hell&#8221; thing.  It really does a number on you.</p>
<p>Back to the concept of hell:  Eternal torment for temporal crimes makes no sense.  You&#8217;d think that even Hitler would get the point after a few billion years of torment, but no&#8211;that&#8217;s not even the start. And what for?  Is he supposed to learn from it? How are learning and repentence possible if the penalty is endless?</p>
<p>And what about someone like Anne Frank or Gandhi?  They didn&#8217;t have the right belief system, so&#8230;.they go to hell too?<br />
Does that make any sense at all?</p>
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		<title>By: hypocrite</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 22:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting discussion. Sounds like most of you were Calvinists. Don&#039;t you know you&#039;re going to hell for believing that man&#039;s lies...? 
Just kidding.

A certain percentage of people will be able to use that pre-ordained belief to live very good lives. What more do you need to feel a sense of self worth then to believe that you are one of the elect and everyone else is going to hell? Others will be tortured by it for their entire lives.

It is the same with any core belief. People here feel relieved to be free from religion. Others will feel a sense of dispair when they lose their faith. Others will just switch denominations until they find something they can live with.

Did my faith ever make me do foolish things? Yup. Were those foolish things more foolish than the foolish things other people do? Who knows?

The doctrine of total depravity was not strongly taught in my denomination. Every man sinned his own sins and was responsible for them. Pretty much still the way I feel now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion. Sounds like most of you were Calvinists. Don&#8217;t you know you&#8217;re going to hell for believing that man&#8217;s lies&#8230;?<br />
Just kidding.</p>
<p>A certain percentage of people will be able to use that pre-ordained belief to live very good lives. What more do you need to feel a sense of self worth then to believe that you are one of the elect and everyone else is going to hell? Others will be tortured by it for their entire lives.</p>
<p>It is the same with any core belief. People here feel relieved to be free from religion. Others will feel a sense of dispair when they lose their faith. Others will just switch denominations until they find something they can live with.</p>
<p>Did my faith ever make me do foolish things? Yup. Were those foolish things more foolish than the foolish things other people do? Who knows?</p>
<p>The doctrine of total depravity was not strongly taught in my denomination. Every man sinned his own sins and was responsible for them. Pretty much still the way I feel now.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 15:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have no idea what sort of blog you&#039;re posting on, do you Jordan?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no idea what sort of blog you&#8217;re posting on, do you Jordan?</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS.  We are worth so much to God, though.  So much that He chose to die as a sinner without having sinned.  Probably the most painful way to die... not to mention being ridiculed and mocked by the very people He came to help.  

Sacrifices were required to &quot;erase&quot; a sin.  God&#039;s self sacrifice was the ultimate sacrifice to erase all sin from everyone who but calls upon Him.

I know it is hard to accept these things, as I have struggled in my faith for a long long time and still do today.  Having said this, I truely believe something I was told long ago: &quot;a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.&quot;

Therefore, one cannot bring another man to God who refuses to believe He even exists, let alone wants to be saved or feel the peace and love that comes with knowing the God who created them with love and for a great purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  We are worth so much to God, though.  So much that He chose to die as a sinner without having sinned.  Probably the most painful way to die&#8230; not to mention being ridiculed and mocked by the very people He came to help.  </p>
<p>Sacrifices were required to &#8220;erase&#8221; a sin.  God&#8217;s self sacrifice was the ultimate sacrifice to erase all sin from everyone who but calls upon Him.</p>
<p>I know it is hard to accept these things, as I have struggled in my faith for a long long time and still do today.  Having said this, I truely believe something I was told long ago: &#8220;a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore, one cannot bring another man to God who refuses to believe He even exists, let alone wants to be saved or feel the peace and love that comes with knowing the God who created them with love and for a great purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see where you&#039;re comming from.  I think you missunderstand what is meant- or what is supposed to be meant.  The way I see it, nobody is sin free.  But that&#039;s the only way to get into heaven.  There isn&#039;t anyone on the planet that is sin free.  Therefore, as sinners, we all deserve hell... for our refusal to obey God and falling into sin.  I don&#039;t know if what I&#039;m saying is helping any.  I just thaught I&#039;d attempt to clearify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see where you&#8217;re comming from.  I think you missunderstand what is meant- or what is supposed to be meant.  The way I see it, nobody is sin free.  But that&#8217;s the only way to get into heaven.  There isn&#8217;t anyone on the planet that is sin free.  Therefore, as sinners, we all deserve hell&#8230; for our refusal to obey God and falling into sin.  I don&#8217;t know if what I&#8217;m saying is helping any.  I just thaught I&#8217;d attempt to clearify.</p>
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