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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40864</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK---thanks for the input.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK&#8212;thanks for the input.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40863</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe-

That is why I wouldn&#039;t try to post subjective comments about people on this blog.  I think it is better to concentrate on the arguments.  Don&#039;t worry; I won&#039;t jump to conclusions about people, especially in an online environment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe-</p>
<p>That is why I wouldn&#8217;t try to post subjective comments about people on this blog.  I think it is better to concentrate on the arguments.  Don&#8217;t worry; I won&#8217;t jump to conclusions about people, especially in an online environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40861</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outsider--

i don&#039;t come here for that reason either.  What I was stating is that you will be surprised at the varied opionions and concepts that many of the people who visit here hold dear.  One cannot help but see one post very intelligent concepts, but in the next breath express some unwise decision they have just made---or the opposite.  It is hard for one to miss that.

I am not stating one should come here to judge everyone-----I am just saying it is fun to hear the varied use of the brain and the heart in this place.  As I said, it is an eye-opener.  Of course, you can define my statements any way you would like to.  :&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsider&#8211;</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t come here for that reason either.  What I was stating is that you will be surprised at the varied opionions and concepts that many of the people who visit here hold dear.  One cannot help but see one post very intelligent concepts, but in the next breath express some unwise decision they have just made&#8212;or the opposite.  It is hard for one to miss that.</p>
<p>I am not stating one should come here to judge everyone&#8212;&#8211;I am just saying it is fun to hear the varied use of the brain and the heart in this place.  As I said, it is an eye-opener.  Of course, you can define my statements any way you would like to.  :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outsider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Joe,

I don&#039;t come here to judge how &quot;wise&quot; or &quot;intelligent&quot; someone is.  I take away with me any ideas that benefit my psyche and way of thinking.  I listen to the arguments and try not to any make assumptions about anyone here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joe,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t come here to judge how &#8220;wise&#8221; or &#8220;intelligent&#8221; someone is.  I take away with me any ideas that benefit my psyche and way of thinking.  I listen to the arguments and try not to any make assumptions about anyone here.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40857</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I mean to say is that the posts are varied here.  Some exhibit a lot of intelligence with very little wisdom, some show great wisdom with little intelligence, and some display both at the same time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean to say is that the posts are varied here.  Some exhibit a lot of intelligence with very little wisdom, some show great wisdom with little intelligence, and some display both at the same time.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outsider (#99)

Thanks for the post.  One thing you&#039;ll notice as you continue to post and read here is the sharp contrast between intelligence and wisdom in the different poster&#039;s on the board.  It is a real eye-opener.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsider (#99)</p>
<p>Thanks for the post.  One thing you&#8217;ll notice as you continue to post and read here is the sharp contrast between intelligence and wisdom in the different poster&#8217;s on the board.  It is a real eye-opener.</p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40824</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed, Outsider.  It can be painfully emotional to leave/have left.  Just because something can be logically rejected doesn&#039;t mean the emotional aspects of that connection disappear.  I definitely fight off emotions regarding leaving.

The key is to remember that YOU built those bonds and emotional connections.  They can be rebuilt and or repurposed in your new life.  And I agree, that having destroyed the logical underpinnings of my old faith, hanging onto it just for emotional reasons was just something I couldn&#039;t nor shouldn&#039;t do.  It hurts..but it gets better over time.  Fill your life with the good things and take up your remaining days with a spirit of adventure and new beginnings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, Outsider.  It can be painfully emotional to leave/have left.  Just because something can be logically rejected doesn&#8217;t mean the emotional aspects of that connection disappear.  I definitely fight off emotions regarding leaving.</p>
<p>The key is to remember that YOU built those bonds and emotional connections.  They can be rebuilt and or repurposed in your new life.  And I agree, that having destroyed the logical underpinnings of my old faith, hanging onto it just for emotional reasons was just something I couldn&#8217;t nor shouldn&#8217;t do.  It hurts..but it gets better over time.  Fill your life with the good things and take up your remaining days with a spirit of adventure and new beginnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Outsider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, BigHouse.

In my case, leaving the faith was more emotional than getting into it.  It was excruiatingly painful, but I could not be in denial anymore.  Things are definitely much more clear.  I am more aware of what I should rely on and am the more healthier because of that. It beats being in a delusional state of mind.

I look forward in reading more posts here.  Thanks to you all for keeping it up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, BigHouse.</p>
<p>In my case, leaving the faith was more emotional than getting into it.  It was excruiatingly painful, but I could not be in denial anymore.  Things are definitely much more clear.  I am more aware of what I should rely on and am the more healthier because of that. It beats being in a delusional state of mind.</p>
<p>I look forward in reading more posts here.  Thanks to you all for keeping it up!</p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40821</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Outsider, thanks for for story and I hope you find a solace here.

I think for those Christians that had the &quot;big moment&quot; type conversion, it is very hard to break away using logic and reason.  That&#039;s because their conversion was an EMOTIONAL one.  It&#039;s not defensible or solid on reason, so chipping away at the logic is not affecting the emotional base they stand on.

At the end of the day, Christianity is true to them because they WANT it to be true, not because they can defend the truth of it.  These people need to WANT to &quot;know&quot; the truth, reagrdless of their desires, before they can start reconciling their beliefs with reality and move forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outsider, thanks for for story and I hope you find a solace here.</p>
<p>I think for those Christians that had the &#8220;big moment&#8221; type conversion, it is very hard to break away using logic and reason.  That&#8217;s because their conversion was an EMOTIONAL one.  It&#8217;s not defensible or solid on reason, so chipping away at the logic is not affecting the emotional base they stand on.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, Christianity is true to them because they WANT it to be true, not because they can defend the truth of it.  These people need to WANT to &#8220;know&#8221; the truth, reagrdless of their desires, before they can start reconciling their beliefs with reality and move forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/25/the-myth-of-gods-unconditional-love/#comment-40820</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe-
I agree that It is a very important question to ask why those who have believed have come to disbelieve.  For me the &quot;born-again&quot; experience was highly emotional at a difficult time in my life.  I took a leap of faith and thought everything is going to be wonderful as I sought refuge in god.  I thought I&#039;d give it my sincere effort and believe/trust in the bible and my &quot;relationship&quot; with god as much as I could...I felt high for a while, but gradually as I learned more, I realized that at that pivotal moment where I was supposely &quot;born-again&quot;,  I hadn&#039;t questioned everything I should have.  I shouldn&#039;t have jumped into such a strong system of beliefs that was deemed &quot;inerrant&quot; without the proper investigation.  I felt guilty for doubting, for not trusting god, for letting down people/friends at church...it was unbearable.  I was just trying so hard to hold on...but I couldn&#039;t.  The more I looked at the church and bible from the outside, the more I felt that everything was a lie. I realized all the answers I was ever given about god were incomplete and most people at church only said certain things to calm me down. I began to realize that apologetics was more of an art rather than based on truth.  The christian answers never really satisfied my questions/concerns.   It was debilitating.  I wanted to believe that god would redeem me from my doubts, but he never came.  I gradually began to realize I had been alone throughout my journey, and I had to rely on myself to move on.  When I read the athiest/agnostic explanations in books and posts on sites like these, they really help explain things in a logical and practical way.  The christian answers no longer satisfies me.  They are illogical and many seem socially irresponsible to me.  So yes, people can change their stance on what they believe based on new experiences and information.  That is what a lifelong learning expereince is about.  It&#039;s like the scientific theory.  How can you claim something is true, without fully observing, testing, seeing, and proving it?  It doesn&#039;t make sense for me to jump the gun (which I had mistakenly done), and say something is true/exists before I can even prove it (especially when you are told it is a set of specific instructions to follow for a lifetime).  It&#039;s kind of like how a child finds the glich and finally realizes that Santa is not real, after many many years of Christmas Eves waiting up for ol&#039; St. Nick.

Maybe the challenge for you is trying to understand why our experiences are so different, why god seems to &quot;speak&quot; to you and not everyone else.  For most christians it&#039;s the presuppositional kind of thinking that gets them sort of stuck.  The skeptic questions before he trusts; He doesn&#039;t stand in the stance of trust/belief first (This may cause him to come up with questions based on what he trusts already).  Not sure if I am making any sense. Just a thought.  

Many people on this site have gone far and beyond what I had on their journeys.  Their deconversion stories are inspirational.  I consider my experience a stint in comparison.  There are a myriad of people far more articulate, intelligent and knowledgeable than I am on this site.  That&#039;s why I visit.

I think it is good that you are asking questions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe-<br />
I agree that It is a very important question to ask why those who have believed have come to disbelieve.  For me the &#8220;born-again&#8221; experience was highly emotional at a difficult time in my life.  I took a leap of faith and thought everything is going to be wonderful as I sought refuge in god.  I thought I&#8217;d give it my sincere effort and believe/trust in the bible and my &#8220;relationship&#8221; with god as much as I could&#8230;I felt high for a while, but gradually as I learned more, I realized that at that pivotal moment where I was supposely &#8220;born-again&#8221;,  I hadn&#8217;t questioned everything I should have.  I shouldn&#8217;t have jumped into such a strong system of beliefs that was deemed &#8220;inerrant&#8221; without the proper investigation.  I felt guilty for doubting, for not trusting god, for letting down people/friends at church&#8230;it was unbearable.  I was just trying so hard to hold on&#8230;but I couldn&#8217;t.  The more I looked at the church and bible from the outside, the more I felt that everything was a lie. I realized all the answers I was ever given about god were incomplete and most people at church only said certain things to calm me down. I began to realize that apologetics was more of an art rather than based on truth.  The christian answers never really satisfied my questions/concerns.   It was debilitating.  I wanted to believe that god would redeem me from my doubts, but he never came.  I gradually began to realize I had been alone throughout my journey, and I had to rely on myself to move on.  When I read the athiest/agnostic explanations in books and posts on sites like these, they really help explain things in a logical and practical way.  The christian answers no longer satisfies me.  They are illogical and many seem socially irresponsible to me.  So yes, people can change their stance on what they believe based on new experiences and information.  That is what a lifelong learning expereince is about.  It&#8217;s like the scientific theory.  How can you claim something is true, without fully observing, testing, seeing, and proving it?  It doesn&#8217;t make sense for me to jump the gun (which I had mistakenly done), and say something is true/exists before I can even prove it (especially when you are told it is a set of specific instructions to follow for a lifetime).  It&#8217;s kind of like how a child finds the glich and finally realizes that Santa is not real, after many many years of Christmas Eves waiting up for ol&#8217; St. Nick.</p>
<p>Maybe the challenge for you is trying to understand why our experiences are so different, why god seems to &#8220;speak&#8221; to you and not everyone else.  For most christians it&#8217;s the presuppositional kind of thinking that gets them sort of stuck.  The skeptic questions before he trusts; He doesn&#8217;t stand in the stance of trust/belief first (This may cause him to come up with questions based on what he trusts already).  Not sure if I am making any sense. Just a thought.  </p>
<p>Many people on this site have gone far and beyond what I had on their journeys.  Their deconversion stories are inspirational.  I consider my experience a stint in comparison.  There are a myriad of people far more articulate, intelligent and knowledgeable than I am on this site.  That&#8217;s why I visit.</p>
<p>I think it is good that you are asking questions.</p>
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