Comments on: I weep for the children who are victimized by their spiritual leaders http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Onward, Christian Children « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-26800 Sat, 13 Sep 2008 20:36:46 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-26800 [...] 13, 2008 Regular readers here may recall a piece I wrote several months ago about the confirmation of Chloe, a seven-year-old girl, into a local Salvation Army congregation. I recently came across a post [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-19057 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:39:57 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-19057 Chaplain is right. There’s much that needs to be done to change our views about God. Many people teach that we are going to hell for just being human. It’s just that I believe in God and yet I have no one in the media to represent my beliefs about God. All that’s in the media and in the majority of the U.S. are deluded, greedy Christians who use such messages to control and talk down on others. I wish that the Christian paradigm would change.

]]> By: peter oroche bosire http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-19053 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:44:43 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-19053 very interesting and sad. I would like to be associated with you. Thank you.

]]> By: LeoPardus http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16467 Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:17:50 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16467 Kelli:

A ways up the thread someone mentioned that the only source on all of this was the one article by Tracy McVeigh. I couldn’t find anything more when I looked. Since you researched it more, can you tell us what other sources confirm the events?

]]> By: Kelli Stowe http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16441 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:06:36 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16441 Sorry the urls didn’t show up.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/2/
children-are-targets-of-nigerian-
witch-hunt

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/
stop-liberty-foundation-
gospelministries-from-hurting-
anymore-precious-children-for-
money

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/
stop-the-churches-in-nigeria-from-
endangeringchildrens-lives-to-
extort-money-from-there-parents

]]> By: Kelli Stowe http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16440 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:04:24 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-16440 I have been researching this for a while and have created three petitions that let our voices be heard. Please sign them for the children.

Copy each line of the urls and paste it in your browser.

Thank you,
Kelli

]]> By: Casey http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-14128 Sun, 06 Jan 2008 18:30:18 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-14128 I was 5 when I “converted” I barely even remember it. I don’t know if hell was used as a motivator but I do remember being desperate to make my parents proud of me and confessing my sins really thrilled them. Is it not as bad to use a parents love and a child’s desperation for approval from their authority figures as it is to scare them with hell. A 5 year old neither has sins which need confessing nor has an understanding of anything deep enough to make a commitment that is considered permanent.

]]> By: Christian Education or Indoctrination? « de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13847 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:52:43 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13847 [...] 2, 2008 The focus of my last post, I weep for the children who are victimized by their spiritual leaders, was about various ways that churches manipulate, and sometimes even abuse, children. The second of [...]

]]> By: TheDeeZone http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13762 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:47:43 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13762 Please excuse my spelling errors. My arch nemsis dyslexia is really acting up today.

TA & Asymptosis,

I think Asymptosis provides an excellant answer. My exprience with spiritual leaders includes ministers in several demonations: Baptist, Assembly of God, Evangelical Free, Catholic, Presybetrain, Angelican, Espicolain, Methodist, CMA, Pentecostal, Church of God, Church of Christ, Bible Church plus many more I can’t remember. My Dad, Grandad and Uncle where ministers.

I would make the following additions. I think the role a minister plays determines if the minister is also a self-help counselor. Counselors, Outreach ministers, Social ministry pastors, education minsiters, pastoral care pastors, missions pastors and recreation pastors more concerned with self-help issues than Sr. ministers, evangelism pastors or adminstration Ministers.

I have observed one differance between spiritual leaders and some self-help consuelors. Self-help counselours tend to place more emhasis on putting one’s self first. Spiritual leaders tend to place the emphasis on God first, other 2nd and self third.

Once I appologize for the spelling errors. I am stressed today due to my grandma being seriously ill. When I am stressed I have more problems with my dyslexia. If you stuck it out this far thanks for reading.

DH

]]> By: Asymptosis http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/27/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13758 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:59:22 +0000 http://de-conversion.com/2007/12/28/i-weep-for-the-children-who-are-victimized-by-their-spiritual-leaders/#comment-13758 (Sorry if this already got posted. I’m having Internet problems today.)

Hi Thinking Ape,

I don’t think I can answer that definitively. I can’t say I actually know any self-help counselors. My personal experience with spiritual leaders extends to three Lutheran pastors and a Pentacostal minister.

These spiritual leaders were (are) involved in at least one activity that I don’t envisage self-help counselors taking part in: ministry. The Pentacostal minister in particular actively and bravely evangelises and helps the needy. On the other hand, I would never seek him out for counseling, self-help or otherwise. He speaks openly about having problems with Satan in his household, and brags about how he “helped” a homosexual by doing an exorcism. (This of course was very noble since the man had already been banned from many churches for his “sinful ways.”)

I can’t think of any activities that a self-help counselor would do that a spiritual leader definitely would not do.

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