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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-53350</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 02:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shawndell #67, seven years of bible education and you learned nothing? Or do you accept that the earth was created before the sun and that day and night were present before the sun?  Do you subscribe to stonings for actions that sane people do not consider to be transgressions such as wearing mixed fibres? Do you accept Matthew 5:18? If you do, should you not be stoning preachers that work on the sabbath as the OT laws are still in effect? I&#039;m sure that you will bring up one of the contradictions about the OT law, which just compounds the errors.

It takes brainwashing to make a person &quot;a person of god&quot;. Either that or threats of death. Best get them before they can reason. You spent 7 years to convince yourself that the lies,contradictions and myths of the bible were acceptable to you. Seven years to get a useless degree. 

We demand evidence, not feelings, not faith, not pronouncements. Seven years of &quot;education&quot; and you get suckered by a con man, a charlatan? The study of imaginary entities does not an education make. Try studying reality, for that is where you are lacking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawndell #67, seven years of bible education and you learned nothing? Or do you accept that the earth was created before the sun and that day and night were present before the sun?  Do you subscribe to stonings for actions that sane people do not consider to be transgressions such as wearing mixed fibres? Do you accept Matthew 5:18? If you do, should you not be stoning preachers that work on the sabbath as the OT laws are still in effect? I&#8217;m sure that you will bring up one of the contradictions about the OT law, which just compounds the errors.</p>
<p>It takes brainwashing to make a person &#8220;a person of god&#8221;. Either that or threats of death. Best get them before they can reason. You spent 7 years to convince yourself that the lies,contradictions and myths of the bible were acceptable to you. Seven years to get a useless degree. </p>
<p>We demand evidence, not feelings, not faith, not pronouncements. Seven years of &#8220;education&#8221; and you get suckered by a con man, a charlatan? The study of imaginary entities does not an education make. Try studying reality, for that is where you are lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawndell</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-53349</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t take education to make a person,  &quot;a person of God.&quot; Joel Osteen is the tool God is using to turn peoples lives around. After reading through these posts, I understand what it means to have spiritual Blindness and a lack of knowledge of the Bible like most of you deliver. With that being said it feels good to have eternal security and the ability to perceive  people who will try and sway you away from God by any means necessary. I have Seven years of Bible education and a Masters Degree later and  I find Joel nailing God&#039;s intended message. Clear and to the Point!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t take education to make a person,  &#8220;a person of God.&#8221; Joel Osteen is the tool God is using to turn peoples lives around. After reading through these posts, I understand what it means to have spiritual Blindness and a lack of knowledge of the Bible like most of you deliver. With that being said it feels good to have eternal security and the ability to perceive  people who will try and sway you away from God by any means necessary. I have Seven years of Bible education and a Masters Degree later and  I find Joel nailing God&#8217;s intended message. Clear and to the Point!</p>
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		<title>By: The de-Convert</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-23191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The de-Convert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ACI,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I must say, the posts that I have read are quite disturbing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Should we take that as a complement?

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can honestly say that I was in the same place that all of you guys are. I abandoned my Christian faith, only to realize that I could not live without it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The difference is we REALIZE that we can live without it and live even better more productive lives free of guilt and intolerance.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The bondage that I felt was the bondage that Satan had upon my life, pulling me in directions that enticed me to do wrong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since Satan actually is your own mind, if you were enticing yourself to do wrong and you needed Christianity to help you do right, then that&#039;s a good thing.  Keep the faith!!!!

&lt;blockquote&gt;I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again. I did, and so did He.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My life continues to be &quot;blessed&quot; therefore either God doesn&#039;t care that I&#039;m now an apostate or he was not the source of my &quot;blessed&quot; life.

Paul]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACI,</p>
<blockquote><p>I must say, the posts that I have read are quite disturbing.</p></blockquote>
<p>Should we take that as a complement?</p>
<blockquote><p>I can honestly say that I was in the same place that all of you guys are. I abandoned my Christian faith, only to realize that I could not live without it.</p></blockquote>
<p>The difference is we REALIZE that we can live without it and live even better more productive lives free of guilt and intolerance.</p>
<blockquote><p>The bondage that I felt was the bondage that Satan had upon my life, pulling me in directions that enticed me to do wrong.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since Satan actually is your own mind, if you were enticing yourself to do wrong and you needed Christianity to help you do right, then that&#8217;s a good thing.  Keep the faith!!!!</p>
<blockquote><p>I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again. I did, and so did He.</p></blockquote>
<p>My life continues to be &#8220;blessed&#8221; therefore either God doesn&#8217;t care that I&#8217;m now an apostate or he was not the source of my &#8220;blessed&#8221; life.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-23190</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cthulhu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ACHRISTIANINDEED,

What&#039;s with the all CAPS thing?  Please look at the sidebar under &#039;Attention Christian Readers&#039; for starters.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again. I did, and so did He.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you can skip the prayer for me.  Wouldn&#039;t work anyway because if God is omniscient and immutable He/She/It already know my decision and cannot change his mind or be influenced by any &#039;prayer&#039;.

Cheers...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACHRISTIANINDEED,</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with the all CAPS thing?  Please look at the sidebar under &#8216;Attention Christian Readers&#8217; for starters.</p>
<blockquote><p>I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again. I did, and so did He.</p></blockquote>
<p>And you can skip the prayer for me.  Wouldn&#8217;t work anyway because if God is omniscient and immutable He/She/It already know my decision and cannot change his mind or be influenced by any &#8216;prayer&#8217;.</p>
<p>Cheers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ACHRISTIANINDEED</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-23188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ACHRISTIANINDEED]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this site accidently and I must say, the posts that I have read are quite disturbing.  

I am a student at a Christian University and I was actually searching for a quote that Joel Osteen said to compliment the answer to a question to a theology lesson.  

I can honestly say that I was in the same place that all of you guys are.  I abandoned my Christian faith, only to realize that I could not live without it.  The bondage that I felt was the bondage that Satan had upon my life, pulling me in directions that enticed me to do wrong.  

Fortunately, I did (and still do) have the grace of God to help me.  I fully understand the idea that Christian&#039;s living less than Christian lives are the number one reason why other Christians convert and that the mega churches sometimes do more harm than good.  I fully believe this.

I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again.  I did, and so did He.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this site accidently and I must say, the posts that I have read are quite disturbing.  </p>
<p>I am a student at a Christian University and I was actually searching for a quote that Joel Osteen said to compliment the answer to a question to a theology lesson.  </p>
<p>I can honestly say that I was in the same place that all of you guys are.  I abandoned my Christian faith, only to realize that I could not live without it.  The bondage that I felt was the bondage that Satan had upon my life, pulling me in directions that enticed me to do wrong.  </p>
<p>Fortunately, I did (and still do) have the grace of God to help me.  I fully understand the idea that Christian&#8217;s living less than Christian lives are the number one reason why other Christians convert and that the mega churches sometimes do more harm than good.  I fully believe this.</p>
<p>I pray that all will get ahold of the faith that was once present and give God the chance to bless your lives again.  I did, and so did He.</p>
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		<title>By: exevangel</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-18800</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to mention those of us that are biophysicists...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention those of us that are biophysicists&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-18674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cthulhu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leo,

Glad to be of service :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leo,</p>
<p>Glad to be of service <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeoPardus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From biologist to database architect. Whew. Quite a shift.  Of course you guys are indispensable for guys like me. Without you we&#039;d quickly lose track of all our data. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From biologist to database architect. Whew. Quite a shift.  Of course you guys are indispensable for guys like me. Without you we&#8217;d quickly lose track of all our data. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cthulhu</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-18668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cthulhu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LeoPardus,

Off-topic - but I just read a comment of yours on another post and learned your are a biologist!  Cool - I got my degree, but never even used it...became a database architect instead.  We have biologists AND physicists here - I am impressed!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeoPardus,</p>
<p>Off-topic &#8211; but I just read a comment of yours on another post and learned your are a biologist!  Cool &#8211; I got my degree, but never even used it&#8230;became a database architect instead.  We have biologists AND physicists here &#8211; I am impressed!!!</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/08/joel-osteen-god-v2/#comment-18666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeoPardus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 01:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sam:

Re- Post #58 -
 Why do people wander in here and post drivel like that. Are you, and others like you too dense to read what this site is? 

But hey, go ahead and post your drivel here. Pardon us though if we brusquely inform you that the Bible is just a collection of myths, written by a primitive tribe of people. Much like the ancient Greeks, Norse, etc, they made up gods and such to explain a world that they had very little understanding of.  

There&#039;s no Santa, or Easter Bunny, or elves and fairies. And there&#039;s no big chummy pal in the sky for you to have a personal relationship with, or for us to hide from.  Get over it and get on with your life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sam:</p>
<p>Re- Post #58 -<br />
 Why do people wander in here and post drivel like that. Are you, and others like you too dense to read what this site is? </p>
<p>But hey, go ahead and post your drivel here. Pardon us though if we brusquely inform you that the Bible is just a collection of myths, written by a primitive tribe of people. Much like the ancient Greeks, Norse, etc, they made up gods and such to explain a world that they had very little understanding of.  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no Santa, or Easter Bunny, or elves and fairies. And there&#8217;s no big chummy pal in the sky for you to have a personal relationship with, or for us to hide from.  Get over it and get on with your life.</p>
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