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		<title>By: Cross Driven Life &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is There a Transformational Power in Christianity?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 08:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this week, I&#8217;m going to look at what being a Christian entails. After a post from de-conversion inspired me to write a comment, I was then away for the weekend at my [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cross Driven Life :: Is There a Transformational Power in Christianity?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cross Driven Life :: Is There a Transformational Power in Christianity?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  ®oberto&#8217;sFor this week, I&#8217;m going to look at what being a Christian entails. After a post from de-conversion inspired me to write a comment, I was then away for the weekend at my [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  ®oberto&#8217;sFor this week, I&#8217;m going to look at what being a Christian entails. After a post from de-conversion inspired me to write a comment, I was then away for the weekend at my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: OneSmallStep</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14446</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;  There is no more transformative power in Christianity than there is in any other socially constructed system. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think you can also add the observation that if God only transformed through one religion, then we wouldn&#039;t see the same types of transformations in religions such as Mormonism, or Islam.  We wouldn&#039;t even see this type of transformation in atheism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>  There is no more transformative power in Christianity than there is in any other socially constructed system. </p>
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<p>I think you can also add the observation that if God only transformed through one religion, then we wouldn&#8217;t see the same types of transformations in religions such as Mormonism, or Islam.  We wouldn&#8217;t even see this type of transformation in atheism.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14432</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete questions,
&lt;blockquote&gt;are these people actually not as Christian as they proclaim to be? Could it not be that actually, they aren’t practicing what they’re preaching, because they don’t actually believe it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

carriedthecross, I suppose you could have seen this coming. I think it would be safe to say that nobody really is a Christian then, except for a select few - a very select few.

Who, Pete, if I may ask, are the people that actually &quot;follow through&quot; with their faith? Priests? Pastors? Missionaries? &quot;Good&quot; Christians? Pete, you are on a very slippery apologetic slope here, not to mention theologically absurd. What does it mean, to you, to &quot;follow through&quot; with your &quot;faith&quot;? What do you think it meant to Jesus... Paul.... Peter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete questions,</p>
<blockquote><p>are these people actually not as Christian as they proclaim to be? Could it not be that actually, they aren’t practicing what they’re preaching, because they don’t actually believe it?</p></blockquote>
<p>carriedthecross, I suppose you could have seen this coming. I think it would be safe to say that nobody really is a Christian then, except for a select few &#8211; a very select few.</p>
<p>Who, Pete, if I may ask, are the people that actually &#8220;follow through&#8221; with their faith? Priests? Pastors? Missionaries? &#8220;Good&#8221; Christians? Pete, you are on a very slippery apologetic slope here, not to mention theologically absurd. What does it mean, to you, to &#8220;follow through&#8221; with your &#8220;faith&#8221;? What do you think it meant to Jesus&#8230; Paul&#8230;. Peter?</p>
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		<title>By: confusedchristian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14431</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[except the transformation the human takes upon them self, but no transformation from any higher power.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>except the transformation the human takes upon them self, but no transformation from any higher power.</p>
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		<title>By: confusedchristian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14430</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, then you have atheists that live just as good of lives as the Christians who &quot;practice what you preach&quot; - seems to prove there is no transformation at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, then you have atheists that live just as good of lives as the Christians who &#8220;practice what you preach&#8221; &#8211; seems to prove there is no transformation at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete W</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14427</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or, alternatively, are these people actually not as Christian as they proclaim to be? Could it not be that actually, they aren&#039;t practicing what they&#039;re preaching, because they don&#039;t actually believe it?

Lots of people are willing to pay lip-service to their faith; very few actually follow through.

I always liked  the saying &quot;I&#039;d listen to your words, but your actions call you a liar&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, alternatively, are these people actually not as Christian as they proclaim to be? Could it not be that actually, they aren&#8217;t practicing what they&#8217;re preaching, because they don&#8217;t actually believe it?</p>
<p>Lots of people are willing to pay lip-service to their faith; very few actually follow through.</p>
<p>I always liked  the saying &#8220;I&#8217;d listen to your words, but your actions call you a liar&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;There is no more transformative power in Christianity than there is in any other socially constructed system. The changes in behavior of students here are formed by community rather than a transcendent Spirit that empowers its believers. In the same way that different cultures, regions, families and political traditions form certain beliefs, thoughts and behaviors, Christianity has the same effect.&lt;/i&gt;

Very salient point and an excellent commentary overall. This was one of the major &quot;cognitive dissonance&quot; issues that came up during my deconversion, and still rings very true for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There is no more transformative power in Christianity than there is in any other socially constructed system. The changes in behavior of students here are formed by community rather than a transcendent Spirit that empowers its believers. In the same way that different cultures, regions, families and political traditions form certain beliefs, thoughts and behaviors, Christianity has the same effect.</i></p>
<p>Very salient point and an excellent commentary overall. This was one of the major &#8220;cognitive dissonance&#8221; issues that came up during my deconversion, and still rings very true for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Renacier</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Renacier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with a question like this is that there will be any number of believers who say &quot;Yes! I was transformed! I can feel myself as closer to what my God wants me to be.&quot; 
And there&#039;s nothing wrong with that.  It&#039;s all well and good to feel like a &#039;more holy&#039; person. 

But do you act it?  Do you really? Are you kinder, more loving, more compassionate? Do you love your enemies as well as you love your friends? And do you show it?

I had always thought that is there was a transformative power in Christianity it was meant not to change yourself, but to change the way you reacted to and connected to other people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with a question like this is that there will be any number of believers who say &#8220;Yes! I was transformed! I can feel myself as closer to what my God wants me to be.&#8221;<br />
And there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that.  It&#8217;s all well and good to feel like a &#8216;more holy&#8217; person. </p>
<p>But do you act it?  Do you really? Are you kinder, more loving, more compassionate? Do you love your enemies as well as you love your friends? And do you show it?</p>
<p>I had always thought that is there was a transformative power in Christianity it was meant not to change yourself, but to change the way you reacted to and connected to other people.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/10/be-holy-as-i-am-holy/#comment-14408</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I put up my reasons I can no longer believe, this was one of them. Somebody who knows how to do the links right could link to &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/11/reasons-why-i-can-no-longer-believe-3-unchanged-lives/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reasons why I can no longer believe: 3 - Unchanged lives&lt;/a&gt;&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I put up my reasons I can no longer believe, this was one of them. Somebody who knows how to do the links right could link to &#8220;<a href="http://de-conversion.com/2007/11/11/reasons-why-i-can-no-longer-believe-3-unchanged-lives/" rel="nofollow">Reasons why I can no longer believe: 3 &#8211; Unchanged lives</a>&#8220;</p>
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