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		<title>By: Eve's Apple</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 23:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;try to reject it or sale it and you have not felt God&#039;s wreath . . .&quot;
God&#039;s wreath?  What kind of wreath is that?  Like a Christmas wreath?  Oh, that could be kind of prickly.  I&#039;m so afraid.

Timex, I really think that you need to spend some time with a dictionary or a thesaurus.  There is a big difference between &quot;wreath&quot; and &quot;wrath&quot;.  I presume you meant the latter.  However, I am puzzled by &quot;sale it&quot;.  &quot;Sale&quot; is past tense of &quot;sell.&quot;  Yeah, yeah, I know, minor distinctions.  But if you can hair-split Bible verses to suit your message, then you can understand why the rest of us hair-split over grammar and spelling.  Because it really does change the whole intent of your meaning if you carelessly use the wrong word.  

Personally, I am not impressed with appeals to religion that are misspelled and incoherent.  I don&#039;t find it attractive.  It is saying by example that God can only be honored by throwing one&#039;s brains and education out the window.  THAT I REFUSE TO DO!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;try to reject it or sale it and you have not felt God&#8217;s wreath . . .&#8221;<br />
God&#8217;s wreath?  What kind of wreath is that?  Like a Christmas wreath?  Oh, that could be kind of prickly.  I&#8217;m so afraid.</p>
<p>Timex, I really think that you need to spend some time with a dictionary or a thesaurus.  There is a big difference between &#8220;wreath&#8221; and &#8220;wrath&#8221;.  I presume you meant the latter.  However, I am puzzled by &#8220;sale it&#8221;.  &#8220;Sale&#8221; is past tense of &#8220;sell.&#8221;  Yeah, yeah, I know, minor distinctions.  But if you can hair-split Bible verses to suit your message, then you can understand why the rest of us hair-split over grammar and spelling.  Because it really does change the whole intent of your meaning if you carelessly use the wrong word.  </p>
<p>Personally, I am not impressed with appeals to religion that are misspelled and incoherent.  I don&#8217;t find it attractive.  It is saying by example that God can only be honored by throwing one&#8217;s brains and education out the window.  THAT I REFUSE TO DO!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Timex #171 - &quot;In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.&quot;  The implication of this is that the earth is the centre of the universe.  Educated people know this to be false.  From your screed, it appears that you actually believe the bible and therefore the geocentric universe.  If so, please explain how geostationary satellites work.  How do they stay in place?  How far away are the stars that they manage to revolve around the earth on a daily basis? 

When reality conflicts with the bible, reality wins.  Quoting scripture to people who know that the bible is a collection of fallacies and myths (that is, the bible is all bullshit) is totally unconvincing.  

Go spread your lies where the readers still haven&#039;t recovered from the lies they were told as believing children.  The rest of us no longer believe in the demonstrably false.

Grow up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timex #171 &#8211; &#8220;In the beginning god created the heaven and the earth.&#8221;  The implication of this is that the earth is the centre of the universe.  Educated people know this to be false.  From your screed, it appears that you actually believe the bible and therefore the geocentric universe.  If so, please explain how geostationary satellites work.  How do they stay in place?  How far away are the stars that they manage to revolve around the earth on a daily basis? </p>
<p>When reality conflicts with the bible, reality wins.  Quoting scripture to people who know that the bible is a collection of fallacies and myths (that is, the bible is all bullshit) is totally unconvincing.  </p>
<p>Go spread your lies where the readers still haven&#8217;t recovered from the lies they were told as believing children.  The rest of us no longer believe in the demonstrably false.</p>
<p>Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Timex</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes I listen, and do as I hear
 
 
Please look over this whole message, so that you can answer these points of truth, and tell what your findings are.

The sabbath = Jesus = the word (Holy Bible) = 7 Days a week = KEEPING THE SABATH = in everything you do:                                
 
(Mark) (02:27-28) Christ is the Sabbath.  Jesus said unto them, The Sabbath (Jesus) was made for man, and NOT man for the Sabbath (Jesus). Therefore the son (Jesus) is Lord of the Sabbath.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

(St. Luke) (06:05)  And he (Jesus) said unto them (You), that the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

(St. John) (05:17) But Jesus answered them (You), My Father (God) worketh hither to, and I work. (7) Seven days a week.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOUSELF: Please read all of this to see my understanding.

This ONLY MEANS to show the truth of chousing life. For if they won&#039;t accept it, then they ARE NOT YOUR BROTHERT OR SISTER, and we are to dust our feet off, and have NOTHING to do with them.  We are NOT to pay their way in to more sin, for Christ said you are a partaker in their deeds. If they accept Christ, and walk his way, then by all means get them a new car, sign for a bank loan, goto the store for them, baby sit, that kind of thing, and be a true friend, one who lays his life down for another brother. You all need to understand, Christ said your eather for him, or against him, NO middle ground. 

 

Now I have a QUESTION:  How is it that I see &quot;Saint Paul&quot; as the writing on the wall?, The written word of a False Prophet?

For below is what has been given to me, and it has to be Christ, or God.  All this is in your KJV Bible.

 

My understanding of Paul, from what Paul himself has shown, and said, and NOT out of CONTEXT: 

 About   Lies        ______________________________________________

(Revelation) (21:08) No LIE is of the truth, ALL will be in the lake of fire.

 

(1st John) (02:21) I have not written unto you because ye (you) know not the truth, but because ye (you) know it, and that NO LIE is of the truth.

       

________Paul says women are obedient if they don&#039;t speak in church: ________                                         

 

(1st Corinthians)  (14:34) let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak.

 

Answer: Christ said way shoulden women teach, for they raise our chrildren.

  

______You reject Christ by doing what Paul says even when Paul is shown for what he is:____

 

(John) (05:43) I (Jesus) come in my father&#039;s name, and ye (You) receive me 

not: If another shall come in his own name (Saint Paul) him ye will receive.

 

Answer: Paul speaks to different, for it to have been Jesus, or God.

 

_____________________________Paul makes up the truth__________________________________                               

 

(Acts) (09:03-07)

 

3) And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 

 

  4 he fell down, no one else did:

 

4) and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me? 

 

5) And he said, who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecute: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 

 

 6   This is the lie about when paul was told what he was to do: (go into the city)

 

6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him (Paul), Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

 

  7 was one of the lies: (heard something, seen nothing):

 

7) And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man

 

 

 

(Acts) (22:06-10)

 

6) And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. 

 

  7 is one of the lies:

 

7) And I fell onto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me? 

 

8) And I answered, who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecute.

 

  9 is one of the lies   (seen something, heard nothing)

 

9) And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. 

 

 

(Acts) (26:12-14)

 

12) Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, 

 

13) At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. 

 

14 is one of the lies:( they all fell down this time, and only paul heard anything:

 

14) And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto

 

 

below is what paul was told while still in the desert, not in the city;

 

 (Acts)(26:15) to (Acts) (26:18) Paul is told what to do see above (09:06)

 

 

 

ANSWER:  3 different accounts of the same context all 3 from one day, and one meating from christ so paul says.

 

1) Paul is a lie at it&#039;s core or his words are not his anymore, meaning not to be spoken or trusted he speaks with Guile.

 

(Guile)&quot; is twice the translation of (mirmah) (deceit) (fraud)

 

2) He lied about who heard anything.

 

3) He lied about who saw anything.

 

4) He lied about who fell down.

 

5) He lied about where, and when he was told what he was to do.

 

 

 

 __Paul says to get in the face of anyone who is wrong before god:

 

(Galatians)  (02:11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I (Paul) withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.

 

Answer: Christ said remove the log from your own eye, then you can see to remove it from anothers eye. I say Paul judges others, then by his words, we judge him looking for blame.

 

 

 

_Not under the LAW Paul said, how about reading below. Paul Double Talks:

 

(Galatians)(05:02-04)Indeed I, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. 

 

 

Here he even drops his own name before telling the Galatians a severe doctrinal-lie. 

 

 

Below Paul says the law, and commandments are holy, just and good:

 

(Romans) (07:09-12) for I (Paul) was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came.  Sin revived and I (Paul) died (in the spirit), and the commandment, which was ORDAINED to life, I (Paul) found to be unto death.  For sin, taking OCCASION by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandments holy, and just, and good.    

 

 

Answer:  Paul knows the difference between the commandments and the 300 plus man made laws. he says your saved by grace, not of  works, nor the  law to the point you&#039;ve fell from grace. Then he says the commandments, and the Laws (300) are Holy, Good, and Just.   

 

Pauls teachings are the &quot;Tear&quot; from the &quot;Wheat&quot; , and the &quot;False Doctrine&quot;

which Christ warned us about.                                                     


 

____________The truth to keeping the commandments___________________________________

 

 

(Matthew) (22:36-40) &quot;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?&quot; Jesus said to him, &quot;You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind&quot; This is the first and the great commandment.  And the second is like it: &quot;You shall love your neighbor as yourself&quot;

 

(St.John)  (02:04) He (You) that saith, I know him (Jesus Christ), and keepeth NOT his (Gods) commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him.


 

(St.John)  (14:15) If Ye (You) love me (Jesus), Keep my commandments.

 

(Matthew) (05:18-19) For verily I (Jesus)  say unto you, till heaven, and earth pass, NOT one jot or one tittle shall in NO WISE pass from the law till all be fulfilled.  

 

(Luke) (06:46) And why call me (Jesus) Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say.

 

 

 

    Paul says John, James, and Peter speak a different Gospel then he does                 

 

(Galatians)  (01:06-07) I (Paul) marvel that ye (You) are so soon removed from him(Me) that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.  Which is NOT another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 

 

(Paul comes across these 3, about 4 or 5 passages after he makes this statment and Paul never knew Christ, these 3 did)

 

Answer: It is Paul who teaches another Gospel, for his is the Synagogue of Satan and he who is not stiff necked will see Paul, and his teachings for what they really are.

 

 

 

_Paul&#039;s Dishonesty, lies, and Craftiness   (Paul said he doesn&#039;t, then hours later he does it)

 

(2nd Corinthians) (04:01-02) Therefore seeing we (Paul and Timothy) have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of DISHONESTY, not walking in CRAFTINESS, nor handling the word of God DECEITFULLY.

 

(2nd Corinthians) (12:16) But be it so, I (Paul) did not burden you: never the less, being &quot;CRAFTY&quot;, I (Paul) caught you with &quot;Guile&quot;.

 

(Guile)&quot; is twice the translation of (mirmah) (deceit) (fraud)

 

(Job) (05:12) He (God) DISAPPOINTETH the devices of the CRAFTY, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.

 

Answer:  Paul lied, while he works those things which blames others, while he breaks them also with craftiness. Christ said they are &quot;SNAKES&quot; and &quot;SPIDERS&quot; how will they excape the gates of &quot;HELL&quot;? Yet you follow paul your God. 

 

 

 

Paul is the example of how&quot; NOT&quot; to teach the word-by lies, craftiness

 

(Paul-1st Timothy) (03:16) and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: 

 

God was manifested the in flesh: ?????

 

 

Definition of Manifested:  Show something clearly: to make something evident by showing or demonstrating it very clearly.

 

 




(The answer from Paul about Jesus being God in the flesh) 

                                                                                                                                                                   

(Paul-Colossians) (01:15) Who (Jesus Christ) is the&quot; image&quot; of the invisible God, the first born of every creation.  

 

(Paul-Colossians) (01:03) We give thanks to God, and the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.

 

(Paul-Colossians) (03:01) if you then be raised with Christ seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the RIGHT HAND OF GOD 

 

 

 

PAUL&#039;S LEGACY SHOW&#039;S IT&#039;S SELF BY THE  MESSAGE WHICH SATAN SPEAKS.

 

NOW SOMEONE TELL ME HOW PAUL IS NOT THE WAY GOD SHOWS US THE OTHER DOCTRINE, AND A FALSE PROFET?

 

NOW I SAY THIS TO YOU, ASK ME, AND THE REST OF THE TRUTH SHALL BE SENT TO YOU BY  E-MAIL, BUT TRY TO REJECT, OR SALE IT AND YOU HAVE NOT FELT GODS WREATH  FOR YOU AND PAUL ARE ONE...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I listen, and do as I hear</p>
<p>Please look over this whole message, so that you can answer these points of truth, and tell what your findings are.</p>
<p>The sabbath = Jesus = the word (Holy Bible) = 7 Days a week = KEEPING THE SABATH = in everything you do:                                </p>
<p>(Mark) (02:27-28) Christ is the Sabbath.  Jesus said unto them, The Sabbath (Jesus) was made for man, and NOT man for the Sabbath (Jesus). Therefore the son (Jesus) is Lord of the Sabbath.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                </p>
<p>(St. Luke) (06:05)  And he (Jesus) said unto them (You), that the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.</p>
<p>(St. John) (05:17) But Jesus answered them (You), My Father (God) worketh hither to, and I work. (7) Seven days a week.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOUSELF: Please read all of this to see my understanding.</p>
<p>This ONLY MEANS to show the truth of chousing life. For if they won&#8217;t accept it, then they ARE NOT YOUR BROTHERT OR SISTER, and we are to dust our feet off, and have NOTHING to do with them.  We are NOT to pay their way in to more sin, for Christ said you are a partaker in their deeds. If they accept Christ, and walk his way, then by all means get them a new car, sign for a bank loan, goto the store for them, baby sit, that kind of thing, and be a true friend, one who lays his life down for another brother. You all need to understand, Christ said your eather for him, or against him, NO middle ground. </p>
<p>Now I have a QUESTION:  How is it that I see &#8220;Saint Paul&#8221; as the writing on the wall?, The written word of a False Prophet?</p>
<p>For below is what has been given to me, and it has to be Christ, or God.  All this is in your KJV Bible.</p>
<p>My understanding of Paul, from what Paul himself has shown, and said, and NOT out of CONTEXT: </p>
<p> About   Lies        ______________________________________________</p>
<p>(Revelation) (21:08) No LIE is of the truth, ALL will be in the lake of fire.</p>
<p>(1st John) (02:21) I have not written unto you because ye (you) know not the truth, but because ye (you) know it, and that NO LIE is of the truth.</p>
<p>________Paul says women are obedient if they don&#8217;t speak in church: ________                                         </p>
<p>(1st Corinthians)  (14:34) let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak.</p>
<p>Answer: Christ said way shoulden women teach, for they raise our chrildren.</p>
<p>______You reject Christ by doing what Paul says even when Paul is shown for what he is:____</p>
<p>(John) (05:43) I (Jesus) come in my father&#8217;s name, and ye (You) receive me </p>
<p>not: If another shall come in his own name (Saint Paul) him ye will receive.</p>
<p>Answer: Paul speaks to different, for it to have been Jesus, or God.</p>
<p>_____________________________Paul makes up the truth__________________________________                               </p>
<p>(Acts) (09:03-07)</p>
<p>3) And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: </p>
<p>  4 he fell down, no one else did:</p>
<p>4) and he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me? </p>
<p>5) And he said, who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecute: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. </p>
<p> 6   This is the lie about when paul was told what he was to do: (go into the city)</p>
<p>6) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him (Paul), Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.</p>
<p>  7 was one of the lies: (heard something, seen nothing):</p>
<p>7) And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man</p>
<p>(Acts) (22:06-10)</p>
<p>6) And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me. </p>
<p>  7 is one of the lies:</p>
<p>7) And I fell onto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutes thou me? </p>
<p>8) And I answered, who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecute.</p>
<p>  9 is one of the lies   (seen something, heard nothing)</p>
<p>9) And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. </p>
<p>(Acts) (26:12-14)</p>
<p>12) Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests, </p>
<p>13) At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. </p>
<p>14 is one of the lies:( they all fell down this time, and only paul heard anything:</p>
<p>14) And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto</p>
<p>below is what paul was told while still in the desert, not in the city;</p>
<p> (Acts)(26:15) to (Acts) (26:18) Paul is told what to do see above (09:06)</p>
<p>ANSWER:  3 different accounts of the same context all 3 from one day, and one meating from christ so paul says.</p>
<p>1) Paul is a lie at it&#8217;s core or his words are not his anymore, meaning not to be spoken or trusted he speaks with Guile.</p>
<p>(Guile)&#8221; is twice the translation of (mirmah) (deceit) (fraud)</p>
<p>2) He lied about who heard anything.</p>
<p>3) He lied about who saw anything.</p>
<p>4) He lied about who fell down.</p>
<p>5) He lied about where, and when he was told what he was to do.</p>
<p> __Paul says to get in the face of anyone who is wrong before god:</p>
<p>(Galatians)  (02:11) But when Peter was come to Antioch, I (Paul) withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.</p>
<p>Answer: Christ said remove the log from your own eye, then you can see to remove it from anothers eye. I say Paul judges others, then by his words, we judge him looking for blame.</p>
<p>_Not under the LAW Paul said, how about reading below. Paul Double Talks:</p>
<p>(Galatians)(05:02-04)Indeed I, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. </p>
<p>Here he even drops his own name before telling the Galatians a severe doctrinal-lie. </p>
<p>Below Paul says the law, and commandments are holy, just and good:</p>
<p>(Romans) (07:09-12) for I (Paul) was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came.  Sin revived and I (Paul) died (in the spirit), and the commandment, which was ORDAINED to life, I (Paul) found to be unto death.  For sin, taking OCCASION by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandments holy, and just, and good.    </p>
<p>Answer:  Paul knows the difference between the commandments and the 300 plus man made laws. he says your saved by grace, not of  works, nor the  law to the point you&#8217;ve fell from grace. Then he says the commandments, and the Laws (300) are Holy, Good, and Just.   </p>
<p>Pauls teachings are the &#8220;Tear&#8221; from the &#8220;Wheat&#8221; , and the &#8220;False Doctrine&#8221;</p>
<p>which Christ warned us about.                                                     </p>
<p>____________The truth to keeping the commandments___________________________________</p>
<p>(Matthew) (22:36-40) &#8220;Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?&#8221; Jesus said to him, &#8220;You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind&#8221; This is the first and the great commandment.  And the second is like it: &#8220;You shall love your neighbor as yourself&#8221;</p>
<p>(St.John)  (02:04) He (You) that saith, I know him (Jesus Christ), and keepeth NOT his (Gods) commandments, is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him.</p>
<p>(St.John)  (14:15) If Ye (You) love me (Jesus), Keep my commandments.</p>
<p>(Matthew) (05:18-19) For verily I (Jesus)  say unto you, till heaven, and earth pass, NOT one jot or one tittle shall in NO WISE pass from the law till all be fulfilled.  </p>
<p>(Luke) (06:46) And why call me (Jesus) Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say.</p>
<p>    Paul says John, James, and Peter speak a different Gospel then he does                 </p>
<p>(Galatians)  (01:06-07) I (Paul) marvel that ye (You) are so soon removed from him(Me) that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel.  Which is NOT another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. </p>
<p>(Paul comes across these 3, about 4 or 5 passages after he makes this statment and Paul never knew Christ, these 3 did)</p>
<p>Answer: It is Paul who teaches another Gospel, for his is the Synagogue of Satan and he who is not stiff necked will see Paul, and his teachings for what they really are.</p>
<p>_Paul&#8217;s Dishonesty, lies, and Craftiness   (Paul said he doesn&#8217;t, then hours later he does it)</p>
<p>(2nd Corinthians) (04:01-02) Therefore seeing we (Paul and Timothy) have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; but have renounced the hidden things of DISHONESTY, not walking in CRAFTINESS, nor handling the word of God DECEITFULLY.</p>
<p>(2nd Corinthians) (12:16) But be it so, I (Paul) did not burden you: never the less, being &#8220;CRAFTY&#8221;, I (Paul) caught you with &#8220;Guile&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Guile)&#8221; is twice the translation of (mirmah) (deceit) (fraud)</p>
<p>(Job) (05:12) He (God) DISAPPOINTETH the devices of the CRAFTY, so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.</p>
<p>Answer:  Paul lied, while he works those things which blames others, while he breaks them also with craftiness. Christ said they are &#8220;SNAKES&#8221; and &#8220;SPIDERS&#8221; how will they excape the gates of &#8220;HELL&#8221;? Yet you follow paul your God. </p>
<p>Paul is the example of how&#8221; NOT&#8221; to teach the word-by lies, craftiness</p>
<p>(Paul-1st Timothy) (03:16) and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: </p>
<p>God was manifested the in flesh: ?????</p>
<p>Definition of Manifested:  Show something clearly: to make something evident by showing or demonstrating it very clearly.</p>
<p>(The answer from Paul about Jesus being God in the flesh) </p>
<p>(Paul-Colossians) (01:15) Who (Jesus Christ) is the&#8221; image&#8221; of the invisible God, the first born of every creation.  </p>
<p>(Paul-Colossians) (01:03) We give thanks to God, and the father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you.</p>
<p>(Paul-Colossians) (03:01) if you then be raised with Christ seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the RIGHT HAND OF GOD </p>
<p>PAUL&#8217;S LEGACY SHOW&#8217;S IT&#8217;S SELF BY THE  MESSAGE WHICH SATAN SPEAKS.</p>
<p>NOW SOMEONE TELL ME HOW PAUL IS NOT THE WAY GOD SHOWS US THE OTHER DOCTRINE, AND A FALSE PROFET?</p>
<p>NOW I SAY THIS TO YOU, ASK ME, AND THE REST OF THE TRUTH SHALL BE SENT TO YOU BY  E-MAIL, BUT TRY TO REJECT, OR SALE IT AND YOU HAVE NOT FELT GODS WREATH  FOR YOU AND PAUL ARE ONE&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Free to think</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We think we have outgrown superstition. We look at the aztecs who worshiped the sun and wonder why when we ourselves worship a God whose been given so many forms as to exist everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

I have seen miracles with my own eyes when I was a believer and yet I still question God&#039;s existance. When you are taught something from birth is it brainwashing or simply handing down what you were taught as a child. 

The more you study God&#039;s existance from an adults eyes instead of the open imagination of a child, the harder it is to believe. Is the fact that it is easier to believe in Satan and demons simply our child hood fears that have been so deeply thrust into our minds by Fire and Brimstone preachers.? In no other place but a church would loving parents allow someone to instill such fear into the minds of children.


Only those whose eyes and mind are closed too tight do not question God&#039;s existance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We think we have outgrown superstition. We look at the aztecs who worshiped the sun and wonder why when we ourselves worship a God whose been given so many forms as to exist everywhere and nowhere at the same time.</p>
<p>I have seen miracles with my own eyes when I was a believer and yet I still question God&#8217;s existance. When you are taught something from birth is it brainwashing or simply handing down what you were taught as a child. </p>
<p>The more you study God&#8217;s existance from an adults eyes instead of the open imagination of a child, the harder it is to believe. Is the fact that it is easier to believe in Satan and demons simply our child hood fears that have been so deeply thrust into our minds by Fire and Brimstone preachers.? In no other place but a church would loving parents allow someone to instill such fear into the minds of children.</p>
<p>Only those whose eyes and mind are closed too tight do not question God&#8217;s existance.</p>
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		<title>By: BadBibleQuotingDetector</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 18:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say in the Hell problem:

The fact that Hell was never mentioned in the OT, neither demons nor Satan creates a real problem unless of course you want to use incorrect translations like the KJV.

Satan is absolutely very clearly mentioned in the Old Testament unless you want to make a linguistic argument so absurd, that none of your bible quoting can be taken seriously.

 7The LORD said to Satan, &quot;From where do you come?&quot; Then Satan answered the LORD and said, &quot;(A)From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.&quot; 
Job 1:7

The whole book of Job is filled with conversations between Satan/The Devil and God.  

There appear to be numerous mentions of Sheol in the Old Testament.  

http://religi3.securesites.net/jesusbible/job6c4.htm

Reread the first three chapters of Genesis.  Remember the talking snake?  That was Satan.  That was the Devil.  I guess you can say - oh no it wasn&#039;t.  I guess you can say anything you want.  It just sounds completely unconvincing if you make these statements without seriously qualifying them.  Anyone who is familiar with the Bible, who has studied Hebrew, Greek and used concordances would immediately know that Sheol, Satan/Devil/Snake/Adversary is mentioned in the OT.

I am sure that if you have an explanation, it is a convoluted one if it exists.  I would love to hear it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say in the Hell problem:</p>
<p>The fact that Hell was never mentioned in the OT, neither demons nor Satan creates a real problem unless of course you want to use incorrect translations like the KJV.</p>
<p>Satan is absolutely very clearly mentioned in the Old Testament unless you want to make a linguistic argument so absurd, that none of your bible quoting can be taken seriously.</p>
<p> 7The LORD said to Satan, &#8220;From where do you come?&#8221; Then Satan answered the LORD and said, &#8220;(A)From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.&#8221;<br />
Job 1:7</p>
<p>The whole book of Job is filled with conversations between Satan/The Devil and God.  </p>
<p>There appear to be numerous mentions of Sheol in the Old Testament.  </p>
<p><a href="http://religi3.securesites.net/jesusbible/job6c4.htm" rel="nofollow">http://religi3.securesites.net/jesusbible/job6c4.htm</a></p>
<p>Reread the first three chapters of Genesis.  Remember the talking snake?  That was Satan.  That was the Devil.  I guess you can say &#8211; oh no it wasn&#8217;t.  I guess you can say anything you want.  It just sounds completely unconvincing if you make these statements without seriously qualifying them.  Anyone who is familiar with the Bible, who has studied Hebrew, Greek and used concordances would immediately know that Sheol, Satan/Devil/Snake/Adversary is mentioned in the OT.</p>
<p>I am sure that if you have an explanation, it is a convoluted one if it exists.  I would love to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex Christian</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What you say makes sense on number 8.... There is no real evidence that god exists at all. 

Why should we believe in God when we cannot see him? That is absolute crap.

I think that whomever initially wrote the laws in the first kingdoms on earth decided to create the whole idea of God ( kind of like the idea of Santa Claus for adults ) to make people think that if they do good behave properly they will go to heaven. Think about it... If you really knew that there was nothing at all after death then why would anyone be nice to anyone. If people really knew that God did not exist, do you think that people would just let themselves live that crappy lives that have been handed to them? I think that if everyone knew that God did not exist that there would be more killings and rape and stealing than what goes on right now!!!

Watch that goofy movie called: Zeitgeist and it all might make more sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you say makes sense on number 8&#8230;. There is no real evidence that god exists at all. </p>
<p>Why should we believe in God when we cannot see him? That is absolute crap.</p>
<p>I think that whomever initially wrote the laws in the first kingdoms on earth decided to create the whole idea of God ( kind of like the idea of Santa Claus for adults ) to make people think that if they do good behave properly they will go to heaven. Think about it&#8230; If you really knew that there was nothing at all after death then why would anyone be nice to anyone. If people really knew that God did not exist, do you think that people would just let themselves live that crappy lives that have been handed to them? I think that if everyone knew that God did not exist that there would be more killings and rape and stealing than what goes on right now!!!</p>
<p>Watch that goofy movie called: Zeitgeist and it all might make more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Servant</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, by all means your no 4) is stated well enough, it removes need for no 3) 

You can derive approximately 3 functions that could cover all dots:
1) God exists and is benevolent, omnipotent, etc (my theory) and has set up the Law which differentiates Good and Bad
2) God exists and is NOT benevolent, omnipotent, etc (please explain does the Law exists)
3) God doesn’t exist, laws must be developed by humans, good and bad (which are not black and white, but many shades of gray) must be figured out by humans]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, by all means your no 4) is stated well enough, it removes need for no 3) </p>
<p>You can derive approximately 3 functions that could cover all dots:<br />
1) God exists and is benevolent, omnipotent, etc (my theory) and has set up the Law which differentiates Good and Bad<br />
2) God exists and is NOT benevolent, omnipotent, etc (please explain does the Law exists)<br />
3) God doesn’t exist, laws must be developed by humans, good and bad (which are not black and white, but many shades of gray) must be figured out by humans</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Servant
&lt;blockquote&gt;3) God doesn’t exist (Law doesnt exist, no difference between Good and Bad)&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You are making an assumption there without justification.  You are assuming that the existence of &quot;good and bad&quot; is dependent on the existence of a god.  You have not established that.  &quot;Good&quot;, as in &quot;what is beneficial to humans&quot; certainly can exist without the influence of any supernatural forces.  
Perhaps you need a fourth option:
&quot;4.  God doesn&#039;t exist, laws must be developed by humans, good and bad (which are not black and white, but many shades of gray)  must be figured out by humans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Servant</p>
<blockquote><p>3) God doesn’t exist (Law doesnt exist, no difference between Good and Bad)</p></blockquote>
<p>You are making an assumption there without justification.  You are assuming that the existence of &#8220;good and bad&#8221; is dependent on the existence of a god.  You have not established that.  &#8220;Good&#8221;, as in &#8220;what is beneficial to humans&#8221; certainly can exist without the influence of any supernatural forces.<br />
Perhaps you need a fourth option:<br />
&#8220;4.  God doesn&#8217;t exist, laws must be developed by humans, good and bad (which are not black and white, but many shades of gray)  must be figured out by humans.</p>
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		<title>By: Servant</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/15/8-reasons-why-i-no-longer-believe/#comment-30331</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@bighouse

I&#039;m kind of short with time, so I will only comment this witty answer now :)
Hypothesis you stated can surely be correct. Think of it as a XY field where all elements of history and future and unexplained misteries of the world are represented with dots. You can derive approximately 3 functions that could cover all dots:
1) God exists and is benevolent, omnipotent, etc (my theory) and has set up the Law which differentiates Good and Bad
2) God exists and is NOT benevolent, omnipotent, etc (please explain does the Law exists)
3) God doesn&#039;t exist (Law doesnt exist, no difference between Good and Bad)
For me 1) is the one most probable for me, from my own experience, and also bearing from the idea that as a father I am benevolent and omnipotent (mostly) to my Kids
2) has some problems explaining what God wants to teaches us, or atleast does He want to teach us anyting at all?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bighouse</p>
<p>I&#8217;m kind of short with time, so I will only comment this witty answer now <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Hypothesis you stated can surely be correct. Think of it as a XY field where all elements of history and future and unexplained misteries of the world are represented with dots. You can derive approximately 3 functions that could cover all dots:<br />
1) God exists and is benevolent, omnipotent, etc (my theory) and has set up the Law which differentiates Good and Bad<br />
2) God exists and is NOT benevolent, omnipotent, etc (please explain does the Law exists)<br />
3) God doesn&#8217;t exist (Law doesnt exist, no difference between Good and Bad)<br />
For me 1) is the one most probable for me, from my own experience, and also bearing from the idea that as a father I am benevolent and omnipotent (mostly) to my Kids<br />
2) has some problems explaining what God wants to teaches us, or atleast does He want to teach us anyting at all?</p>
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