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	<title>Comments on: Does public prayer go against the Bible?</title>
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		<title>By: ubi dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53802</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 13:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sunday school songs?  You have got to be kidding me!

My father was there for me.  He was a teacher and sang barbershop.  He was a great guy.  Your invisible friend was never there because he isn&#039;t real

You&#039;d better read your bible again about testing god.  It&#039;s full of people testing god - Moses, Elijah, Thomas.  If testing god is a devil-ploy, then you just accused them of it too.

Malachi 3:10  Bring the full tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house; and thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts....

So according to your own book it was fine to test god back then.  So why not now? (Oh that&#039;s right, because any actual test of god FAILS, because your god is something humans made up.  So if you don&#039;t warn your believers not to do it, they might try it and see through the whole con.  Couldn&#039;t have that.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday school songs?  You have got to be kidding me!</p>
<p>My father was there for me.  He was a teacher and sang barbershop.  He was a great guy.  Your invisible friend was never there because he isn&#8217;t real</p>
<p>You&#8217;d better read your bible again about testing god.  It&#8217;s full of people testing god &#8211; Moses, Elijah, Thomas.  If testing god is a devil-ploy, then you just accused them of it too.</p>
<p>Malachi 3:10  Bring the full tithes into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house; and thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts&#8230;.</p>
<p>So according to your own book it was fine to test god back then.  So why not now? (Oh that&#8217;s right, because any actual test of god FAILS, because your god is something humans made up.  So if you don&#8217;t warn your believers not to do it, they might try it and see through the whole con.  Couldn&#8217;t have that.)</p>
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		<title>By: Be True</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Be True]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 12:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ubi,

O be careful little eyes what you see
O be careful little ears what you hear
O be careful little hands what you do
O be careful little feet where you go
O be careful little mouth what you say

I rebuke that which stole your innocence in the Name of Jesus.

Stop that pass-phrase devil ploy I have already spoken to you about testing the Lord thy God.

I am sorry your father was never there, I am sorry he never comforted you. I am sorry he was never around and you felt all alone. God wants to restore that He wants you to be freed from the pain. You have from young age facing some alone and tough calls. You cried out to God, but for you He seemed far. It is not the crying out that saves it is the accepting what He had done on the cross - and accepting Him as Lord of your life. do you know what He has done for you on the cross? Go read Isaiah 53. It is in His blood and body.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubi,</p>
<p>O be careful little eyes what you see<br />
O be careful little ears what you hear<br />
O be careful little hands what you do<br />
O be careful little feet where you go<br />
O be careful little mouth what you say</p>
<p>I rebuke that which stole your innocence in the Name of Jesus.</p>
<p>Stop that pass-phrase devil ploy I have already spoken to you about testing the Lord thy God.</p>
<p>I am sorry your father was never there, I am sorry he never comforted you. I am sorry he was never around and you felt all alone. God wants to restore that He wants you to be freed from the pain. You have from young age facing some alone and tough calls. You cried out to God, but for you He seemed far. It is not the crying out that saves it is the accepting what He had done on the cross &#8211; and accepting Him as Lord of your life. do you know what He has done for you on the cross? Go read Isaiah 53. It is in His blood and body.</p>
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		<title>By: ubi dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53796</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubi dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 11:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hurt?  Nobody said anything about hurt!  I&#039;m not hurt in the least.  Just disappointed at the colossal waste of time.

You are making stuff up again, which is what I expect from evangelists.  You have to invent a problem and sell us on the problem before we will buy your solution to the problem.  Sorry, no sale.

You&#039;d better cry out to your god harder, because he isn&#039;t answering you so far.  At least, not with my &lt;b&gt;pass-phrase&lt;/b&gt;, and without that you are just another delusional person who thinks the thoughts in their own head are coming from an invisible man in the sky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hurt?  Nobody said anything about hurt!  I&#8217;m not hurt in the least.  Just disappointed at the colossal waste of time.</p>
<p>You are making stuff up again, which is what I expect from evangelists.  You have to invent a problem and sell us on the problem before we will buy your solution to the problem.  Sorry, no sale.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d better cry out to your god harder, because he isn&#8217;t answering you so far.  At least, not with my <b>pass-phrase</b>, and without that you are just another delusional person who thinks the thoughts in their own head are coming from an invisible man in the sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Be True</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Be True]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 05:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ubi- I never knew you were so hurt. I know now why you are so rebellious. Father I pray that you would show Ubi your heart and heal those wounds. Spirit of God please fill the heart of Ubi with acceptance. I Cry out for her Soul. Jesus I know you hear my prayers, I cry out oh God!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubi- I never knew you were so hurt. I know now why you are so rebellious. Father I pray that you would show Ubi your heart and heal those wounds. Spirit of God please fill the heart of Ubi with acceptance. I Cry out for her Soul. Jesus I know you hear my prayers, I cry out oh God!</p>
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		<title>By: ubi dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53778</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ubi dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2012 00:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only reason that some people have a god-shaped hole in their hearts is that people have been pounding god-shaped nails into them since childhood.

Souls are imaginary too.  The human brain thinks, and when you die it stops and you are gone.  Best to use your limited time on earth to create meaning for yourself, and to live as rich and full a life as you can in the time you have.

No emptiness here.  The only emptiness I ever felt was all that time in church  when people said that &quot;Jesus will come into your heart&quot; or &quot;you will be filled with the holy spirit&quot; and nothing ever happened.  Church was empty, all those promises were empty. Once I stopped expecting anything to happen, life made much more sense.  My life is full now, and I have no need to pretend invisible boogy-men exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only reason that some people have a god-shaped hole in their hearts is that people have been pounding god-shaped nails into them since childhood.</p>
<p>Souls are imaginary too.  The human brain thinks, and when you die it stops and you are gone.  Best to use your limited time on earth to create meaning for yourself, and to live as rich and full a life as you can in the time you have.</p>
<p>No emptiness here.  The only emptiness I ever felt was all that time in church  when people said that &#8220;Jesus will come into your heart&#8221; or &#8220;you will be filled with the holy spirit&#8221; and nothing ever happened.  Church was empty, all those promises were empty. Once I stopped expecting anything to happen, life made much more sense.  My life is full now, and I have no need to pretend invisible boogy-men exist.</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 16:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be True, do you really think that believing in lies will make one a better person? You, together with the rest of humanity, have zero evidence for soul and spirit, therefore they are lies. What I don&#039;t have is a worry about whether I am one of the &quot;chosen&quot;. It must be a terrible burden to worry about going to hell. I don&#039;t have that Damoclean sword hanging over my head. There is no bogey man hiding under the bed and no god hiding anywhere.

The difference between &quot;Where&#039;s Waldo&quot; and &quot;Where&#039;s Yahweh&quot; is that Waldo is in the picture.

It is obvious that your jesus does not intend to friend me, there have been plenty of opportunities, just show up. Nothing against your jesus, but I will not be friending any imaginary character, no matter how long they have been present in fantasy.

You offer plenty of blather, but no evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be True, do you really think that believing in lies will make one a better person? You, together with the rest of humanity, have zero evidence for soul and spirit, therefore they are lies. What I don&#8217;t have is a worry about whether I am one of the &#8220;chosen&#8221;. It must be a terrible burden to worry about going to hell. I don&#8217;t have that Damoclean sword hanging over my head. There is no bogey man hiding under the bed and no god hiding anywhere.</p>
<p>The difference between &#8220;Where&#8217;s Waldo&#8221; and &#8220;Where&#8217;s Yahweh&#8221; is that Waldo is in the picture.</p>
<p>It is obvious that your jesus does not intend to friend me, there have been plenty of opportunities, just show up. Nothing against your jesus, but I will not be friending any imaginary character, no matter how long they have been present in fantasy.</p>
<p>You offer plenty of blather, but no evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Be True</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Be True]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 10:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cag: You can&#039;t tell me that you feel complete, you must know that even at your best that you feel something is missing.

We exist body, soul and spirit. Your soul can never be complete until you receive a God-conscious. There will always be an emptiness. You can&#039;t describe why, but something in you feel like there is something missing. This can only be filled when you accept Jesus. Then God will quicken your spirit within and only then do you become whole.

This is not something that I can describe for you it has to be experienced.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cag: You can&#8217;t tell me that you feel complete, you must know that even at your best that you feel something is missing.</p>
<p>We exist body, soul and spirit. Your soul can never be complete until you receive a God-conscious. There will always be an emptiness. You can&#8217;t describe why, but something in you feel like there is something missing. This can only be filled when you accept Jesus. Then God will quicken your spirit within and only then do you become whole.</p>
<p>This is not something that I can describe for you it has to be experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53765</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 16:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be True, I do read your superstitious nonsense. I remain a rational human, unconvinced by anyone postulating the existence of gods. How many of these human invented gods have to be discredited before you realize that the god belief you have is wrong? How many people believe in the gods of Rome? How many believed in the gods of Rome 2000 years ago?

You will never convince me that the earth was created before the sun or that the bible is anything but a collection of lies and threats designed to control the masses and enrich the few. The errors in the bible are so egregious that any analytical individual must reject it as fiction. Genesis is totally unbelievable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be True, I do read your superstitious nonsense. I remain a rational human, unconvinced by anyone postulating the existence of gods. How many of these human invented gods have to be discredited before you realize that the god belief you have is wrong? How many people believe in the gods of Rome? How many believed in the gods of Rome 2000 years ago?</p>
<p>You will never convince me that the earth was created before the sun or that the bible is anything but a collection of lies and threats designed to control the masses and enrich the few. The errors in the bible are so egregious that any analytical individual must reject it as fiction. Genesis is totally unbelievable.</p>
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		<title>By: Be True</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53764</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Be True]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 07:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cag did you read #144]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cag did you read #144</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/21/does-public-prayer-go-against-the-bible/#comment-53760</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 16:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be True (there&#039;s a misnomer if ever there was one), you believe the unbelievable, you believe contrary to all knowledge. You believe that the earth was created before the sun. You have nothing, nothing, nothing to offer. If you are the best that religion can offer, all I can say is &quot;no sale&quot;. If you are the worst that religion has to offer, it&#039;s still no sale. I have no reason to even believe that jesus in any form as stated in the bible ever existed. No contemporary writings exist  about the most important character in the history of christianity. Only decades later does the bible, written to sell a scam, mention jesus. 

You know the drill, have your jesus come visit me, no second hand lackeys, principals only.

If you will stop proselytizing for a failed, though still practised superstition, I promise to not be offended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be True (there&#8217;s a misnomer if ever there was one), you believe the unbelievable, you believe contrary to all knowledge. You believe that the earth was created before the sun. You have nothing, nothing, nothing to offer. If you are the best that religion can offer, all I can say is &#8220;no sale&#8221;. If you are the worst that religion has to offer, it&#8217;s still no sale. I have no reason to even believe that jesus in any form as stated in the bible ever existed. No contemporary writings exist  about the most important character in the history of christianity. Only decades later does the bible, written to sell a scam, mention jesus. </p>
<p>You know the drill, have your jesus come visit me, no second hand lackeys, principals only.</p>
<p>If you will stop proselytizing for a failed, though still practised superstition, I promise to not be offended.</p>
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