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		<title>By: Granny Porn Tube</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-53051</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 02:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome things here. I am very satisfied to look your article. Thanks a lot and I am looking ahead to touch you. Will you please drop me a e-mail?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome things here. I am very satisfied to look your article. Thanks a lot and I am looking ahead to touch you. Will you please drop me a e-mail?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-49502</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If anything, I&#039;d say the bible is a perfect example of the poor moral standing of the nomadic desert dwelling goat herders that wrote it.

Here&#039;s a really good atheist store I found.  Well, primarily atheist and science stuff...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aristotle&#039;s Muse&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anything, I&#8217;d say the bible is a perfect example of the poor moral standing of the nomadic desert dwelling goat herders that wrote it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a really good atheist store I found.  Well, primarily atheist and science stuff&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*" rel="nofollow">Aristotle&#8217;s Muse</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vincent</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-29368</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The world is lost because of one thing: The moral and spiritual corruption cannot be solved by man. The bible records God&#039;s solution to this problem. 

Sadly, sinful men have corrupted the meaning and purpose of the bible. Just the way it was corrupted in the garden of eden. Alert!! The bible message is for the few and not the many. 

The few are the remnant (meek) who will inherit the earth. They are the future government who will bring God&#039;s purpose to completion (1000 year reign). If you know one in your lifetime, don&#039;t oppose them.

In between that time you are on your own morally and spiritually. You can do what this author suggests or whatever you want. 

For the few, they are the children of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is lost because of one thing: The moral and spiritual corruption cannot be solved by man. The bible records God&#8217;s solution to this problem. </p>
<p>Sadly, sinful men have corrupted the meaning and purpose of the bible. Just the way it was corrupted in the garden of eden. Alert!! The bible message is for the few and not the many. </p>
<p>The few are the remnant (meek) who will inherit the earth. They are the future government who will bring God&#8217;s purpose to completion (1000 year reign). If you know one in your lifetime, don&#8217;t oppose them.</p>
<p>In between that time you are on your own morally and spiritually. You can do what this author suggests or whatever you want. </p>
<p>For the few, they are the children of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy 1st Anniversary to d-C &#171; de-conversion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Happy 1st Anniversary to d-C &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The 10 Commandments are an extremely weak basis for morality &#171; de-conversion</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-17298</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The 10 Commandments are an extremely weak basis for morality &#171; de-conversion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] had our share of discussion on this site including HeIsSailing&#8217;s The Bible does not contain a guideline of moral absolutes, AThinkingMan&#8217;s Challenging Religious Myths 1: No Morality without Religion, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had our share of discussion on this site including HeIsSailing&#8217;s The Bible does not contain a guideline of moral absolutes, AThinkingMan&#8217;s Challenging Religious Myths 1: No Morality without Religion, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-16502</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey HIS,

Just wanted to let you know we posted your article entitled &quot;My Homoerotic Relationship with Jesus&quot; on COAS.

http://seminarianblog.com/2008/02/25/my-homoerotic-relationship-with-jesus/

We&#039;d love to have you over there if you want to check it out or be there for the discussion.  Thanks again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey HIS,</p>
<p>Just wanted to let you know we posted your article entitled &#8220;My Homoerotic Relationship with Jesus&#8221; on COAS.</p>
<p><a href="http://seminarianblog.com/2008/02/25/my-homoerotic-relationship-with-jesus/" rel="nofollow">http://seminarianblog.com/2008/02/25/my-homoerotic-relationship-with-jesus/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;d love to have you over there if you want to check it out or be there for the discussion.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: ChristKiller</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-15942</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yurka,
Isnt it just like your kind to jump to conclusions. Some whacko posts some shit and doesnt even mention god or anything and you conclude hes an atheist. Are you sure you dint put the post up? I wouldnt be surprised if you did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yurka,<br />
Isnt it just like your kind to jump to conclusions. Some whacko posts some shit and doesnt even mention god or anything and you conclude hes an atheist. Are you sure you dint put the post up? I wouldnt be surprised if you did.</p>
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		<title>By: Yurka</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-15935</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yurka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought &quot;fundies&quot; were the psychologically imbalanced ones. Looks like atheists have their share as well... I think it&#039;s safe to concede your tinfoil hat wackos got us beat hands down. Congratulations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought &#8220;fundies&#8221; were the psychologically imbalanced ones. Looks like atheists have their share as well&#8230; I think it&#8217;s safe to concede your tinfoil hat wackos got us beat hands down. Congratulations.</p>
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		<title>By: HeIsSailing</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/01/25/there-is-no-universal-standard-of-morality/#comment-15509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HeIsSailing]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, I am assuming this statement is addressed to me.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t help but think you will be responsible before God for the way you are leading your wife and children....the fact is you are supposed to be leading them in righteousness, not rebellion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;righteousness&quot; is not a word that has a lot of meaning to me anymore.  I am a flawed human being, and although I will do the very best that I can, I will continue to be flawed.  So I don&#039;t lead my wife in &quot;righteousness&quot;.

In fact, I don&#039;t tell my wife what to believe at all!  If there is one thing I have taught my wife, it is that in this country, you are liable to nobody for what you believe or don&#039;t believe about God.  You don&#039;t have to answer to your culture, your background, your society, your family, your pastor, your friiends, not even your spouse - you believe whatever it is that allows you to be intellectually honest with yourself.  If you have to pretend or force yourself to &quot;believe&quot; things that you just don&#039;t intellectually, you are just a fraud.  You are no better than those cheap salesmen who put on masks and don&#039;t show the world who they really are.

My wife is Catholic, and she loves her faith, but not some of the more conservative angles of it.  When my mother-in-law found out that I was not catholic, she was aghast. (she knows nothing about my atheism, just that I am not catholic).  She did not want me to marry her daughter.  But I cannot pretend to believe things I do not - I will be a miserable SOB if I did that.  So I asked her, &quot;what do you think is more important - that I love your daughter, cherish her, respect her for the rest of our lives - OR that I believe in the Trinity?&quot;  Intellectual honesty is of greater moral value to me than any church creed, doctrine, belief system, religion or faith - and before you but in and correct me - it is above any &#039;relationship&#039; with a diety too.

If I ever have to face God and account for my life, all I have to say is that I was honest - honest with myself, and with everyone around me.  That is what I have taught my wife too.  She believes in a God that makes sense to her, not one imposed on her by her parents, her friends or least of all, by Rome.  God will know that I cannot accept him on blind belief, because he did not make me with that capacity, and I am not going to pretend otherwise.  That is the best I can do, and if God cannot accept me like that, I can&#039;t help that.  Personal integrity is too great a moral virtue to me to sacrifice for living in &#039;righteousness&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I am assuming this statement is addressed to me.</p>
<blockquote><p>I can’t help but think you will be responsible before God for the way you are leading your wife and children&#8230;.the fact is you are supposed to be leading them in righteousness, not rebellion.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;righteousness&#8221; is not a word that has a lot of meaning to me anymore.  I am a flawed human being, and although I will do the very best that I can, I will continue to be flawed.  So I don&#8217;t lead my wife in &#8220;righteousness&#8221;.</p>
<p>In fact, I don&#8217;t tell my wife what to believe at all!  If there is one thing I have taught my wife, it is that in this country, you are liable to nobody for what you believe or don&#8217;t believe about God.  You don&#8217;t have to answer to your culture, your background, your society, your family, your pastor, your friiends, not even your spouse &#8211; you believe whatever it is that allows you to be intellectually honest with yourself.  If you have to pretend or force yourself to &#8220;believe&#8221; things that you just don&#8217;t intellectually, you are just a fraud.  You are no better than those cheap salesmen who put on masks and don&#8217;t show the world who they really are.</p>
<p>My wife is Catholic, and she loves her faith, but not some of the more conservative angles of it.  When my mother-in-law found out that I was not catholic, she was aghast. (she knows nothing about my atheism, just that I am not catholic).  She did not want me to marry her daughter.  But I cannot pretend to believe things I do not &#8211; I will be a miserable SOB if I did that.  So I asked her, &#8220;what do you think is more important &#8211; that I love your daughter, cherish her, respect her for the rest of our lives &#8211; OR that I believe in the Trinity?&#8221;  Intellectual honesty is of greater moral value to me than any church creed, doctrine, belief system, religion or faith &#8211; and before you but in and correct me &#8211; it is above any &#8216;relationship&#8217; with a diety too.</p>
<p>If I ever have to face God and account for my life, all I have to say is that I was honest &#8211; honest with myself, and with everyone around me.  That is what I have taught my wife too.  She believes in a God that makes sense to her, not one imposed on her by her parents, her friends or least of all, by Rome.  God will know that I cannot accept him on blind belief, because he did not make me with that capacity, and I am not going to pretend otherwise.  That is the best I can do, and if God cannot accept me like that, I can&#8217;t help that.  Personal integrity is too great a moral virtue to me to sacrifice for living in &#8216;righteousness&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: artisticmisfit</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 06:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karen, to be honest, its not my religion that is making me unhappy, its my personal relationships within my religion that are making me unhappy. I am trying  to stay clear of those that disappoint me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, to be honest, its not my religion that is making me unhappy, its my personal relationships within my religion that are making me unhappy. I am trying  to stay clear of those that disappoint me.</p>
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