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	<title>Comments on: Lost Gospel of Herschel Goldman</title>
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		<title>By: qmonkey</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-18165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[qmonkey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;If you honestly are diligently seeking Jesus, the Savior, then you will find him

ironically this is a central assertion of unbelief/atheism. Substitute the word Jesus for any god, fairies, UFOs, conspiracy theory etc etc]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;If you honestly are diligently seeking Jesus, the Savior, then you will find him</p>
<p>ironically this is a central assertion of unbelief/atheism. Substitute the word Jesus for any god, fairies, UFOs, conspiracy theory etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: The Apostate</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-18163</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Apostate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ga-leyen, you are a troll but I need to feed this one,
&lt;blockquote&gt;If you are proud, arrogant and impressed with your own intelligence, then you will never find him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You sound pretty impressed with yourself.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Man is very limited in the scope of his knowledge and wisdom. Scientists, doctors, engineers and other professionals do not have it all figured as you might be led to believe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, they don&#039;t. But you do, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ga-leyen, you are a troll but I need to feed this one,</p>
<blockquote><p>If you are proud, arrogant and impressed with your own intelligence, then you will never find him.</p></blockquote>
<p>You sound pretty impressed with yourself.</p>
<blockquote><p>Man is very limited in the scope of his knowledge and wisdom. Scientists, doctors, engineers and other professionals do not have it all figured as you might be led to believe.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, they don&#8217;t. But you do, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ga-leyen</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-18160</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ga-leyen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you honestly are diligently seeking Jesus, the Savior, then you will find him. He knows your motives. He is God and deserves to be treated reverently. If you are proud, arrogant and impressed with your own intelligence, then you will never find him. Man is very limited in the scope of his knowledge and wisdom. Scientists, doctors, engineers and other professionals do not have it all figured as you might be led to believe. I know, I was an electronic engineer and I have seen how it works. I know my Jesus and I trust his word, the bible, more than U.S.World News.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you honestly are diligently seeking Jesus, the Savior, then you will find him. He knows your motives. He is God and deserves to be treated reverently. If you are proud, arrogant and impressed with your own intelligence, then you will never find him. Man is very limited in the scope of his knowledge and wisdom. Scientists, doctors, engineers and other professionals do not have it all figured as you might be led to believe. I know, I was an electronic engineer and I have seen how it works. I know my Jesus and I trust his word, the bible, more than U.S.World News.</p>
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		<title>By: GoDamn</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-17089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GoDamn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ok, I don&#039;t get this hundreds (actually, thousands) of people witnessed the miracles stuff. How is it possible that so many people witnessed them and the only accounts we get are biblical? Why is it that the closest a secular historian has come merely refers to &#039;this fellow called Jesus...&#039;. Josephus wrote an account but that is considered by most historians to have been later additions, not written by Josephus. Quit saying a lot of people witnessed the miracles. We only have biblical accounts to go by.Thats like the &#039;Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster&#039; saying thousands have seen the FSM and been touched by his noodly appendage. Is that supposed to be considered evidence? Do we believe  that it is true? All things considered, the evidence for JC is not much better than for FSM. Infact, the only difference is that the FSM is one hell of a tasty god. And the holy FSM trinity ( actually, holy tringredient - Sauce: the source of all life, spaghetti and meatballs) actually makes sense. Toodles.
I mean - Noodles.
RAmen]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, I don&#8217;t get this hundreds (actually, thousands) of people witnessed the miracles stuff. How is it possible that so many people witnessed them and the only accounts we get are biblical? Why is it that the closest a secular historian has come merely refers to &#8216;this fellow called Jesus&#8230;&#8217;. Josephus wrote an account but that is considered by most historians to have been later additions, not written by Josephus. Quit saying a lot of people witnessed the miracles. We only have biblical accounts to go by.Thats like the &#8216;Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster&#8217; saying thousands have seen the FSM and been touched by his noodly appendage. Is that supposed to be considered evidence? Do we believe  that it is true? All things considered, the evidence for JC is not much better than for FSM. Infact, the only difference is that the FSM is one hell of a tasty god. And the holy FSM trinity ( actually, holy tringredient &#8211; Sauce: the source of all life, spaghetti and meatballs) actually makes sense. Toodles.<br />
I mean &#8211; Noodles.<br />
RAmen</p>
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		<title>By: paulmct</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-17087</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 10:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A real possibility.  Another one is that he was a mere mortal with a message of compassion that seemed appealing to the people of those harsh times.  Another one is that he was an amalgam of the many Hebrew prophets/preachers of the time.

There are lots of possibilities.  The written accounts came later and changed with time, so who knows what the truth was or if there was any truth to it, at all?  Who knows what the Christians of Nero&#039;s time were like, for that matter?  Maybe they were roughly the equivalent of hippies, telling people to &quot;Have a nice day&quot; and saying that we could all try to be a little nicer to each other.

Whatever they were, they didn&#039;t have to have witnessed anything and the story didn&#039;t have to have any credibility to reach Rome.  False rumours and stories can spread far and wide.  Especially if it&#039;s a good, entertaining one dressed up with the usual stuff that spices up stories - miracles (special effects), action, sex (probably added later), a betrayal, and a big finish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A real possibility.  Another one is that he was a mere mortal with a message of compassion that seemed appealing to the people of those harsh times.  Another one is that he was an amalgam of the many Hebrew prophets/preachers of the time.</p>
<p>There are lots of possibilities.  The written accounts came later and changed with time, so who knows what the truth was or if there was any truth to it, at all?  Who knows what the Christians of Nero&#8217;s time were like, for that matter?  Maybe they were roughly the equivalent of hippies, telling people to &#8220;Have a nice day&#8221; and saying that we could all try to be a little nicer to each other.</p>
<p>Whatever they were, they didn&#8217;t have to have witnessed anything and the story didn&#8217;t have to have any credibility to reach Rome.  False rumours and stories can spread far and wide.  Especially if it&#8217;s a good, entertaining one dressed up with the usual stuff that spices up stories &#8211; miracles (special effects), action, sex (probably added later), a betrayal, and a big finish.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-17077</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You would have to claim that every eye witness died immediately after having seen Jesus.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, an alternative claim would be that there was no Jesus to see.

*shrug* Just voicing a possibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You would have to claim that every eye witness died immediately after having seen Jesus.</i></p>
<p>Well, an alternative claim would be that there was no Jesus to see.</p>
<p>*shrug* Just voicing a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: societyvs</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-17039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[societyvs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL - now that&#039;s funny and very poignant. I liked the story and the way it was framed - true comedic timing. 

I am not sure I agree with the point reached but it does make a great point - maybe there is a lot in the Christian faith that needs to both be expained better or looked at with more depth. 

Whay actually is funny is that last part about the resurrection and the few people seeing him - that made me laugh - it was truly comedic and made the point intended. It is strange Jesus was only revealed to very few - but then again - very few followed him quite closely also.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; now that&#8217;s funny and very poignant. I liked the story and the way it was framed &#8211; true comedic timing. </p>
<p>I am not sure I agree with the point reached but it does make a great point &#8211; maybe there is a lot in the Christian faith that needs to both be expained better or looked at with more depth. </p>
<p>Whay actually is funny is that last part about the resurrection and the few people seeing him &#8211; that made me laugh &#8211; it was truly comedic and made the point intended. It is strange Jesus was only revealed to very few &#8211; but then again &#8211; very few followed him quite closely also.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-17024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TA and Paul,

&quot;why is Islam and Buddhism not as viable as Christianity&quot;

Using only this logic, that would be true.  Thankfully, there is far more to the story.

Paul,

&quot;The ‘persecution’ was local and not empire-wide.&quot;

Yes, but it was local in Rome.  That means that the story of Christianity must have had enough credibility to reach the imperial capital and have more than enough followers to fill the Colosseum. 

&quot;just because the cult spread, that doesn’t mean the people doing the spreading actually witnessed anything&quot;

True, but this doesnt mean that they werent around.  In fact, you cant prove that the eye witnesses werent there.  You would have to claim that every eye witness died immediately after having seen Jesus.  This stuff didnt happen in a vacuum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TA and Paul,</p>
<p>&#8220;why is Islam and Buddhism not as viable as Christianity&#8221;</p>
<p>Using only this logic, that would be true.  Thankfully, there is far more to the story.</p>
<p>Paul,</p>
<p>&#8220;The ‘persecution’ was local and not empire-wide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but it was local in Rome.  That means that the story of Christianity must have had enough credibility to reach the imperial capital and have more than enough followers to fill the Colosseum. </p>
<p>&#8220;just because the cult spread, that doesn’t mean the people doing the spreading actually witnessed anything&#8221;</p>
<p>True, but this doesnt mean that they werent around.  In fact, you cant prove that the eye witnesses werent there.  You would have to claim that every eye witness died immediately after having seen Jesus.  This stuff didnt happen in a vacuum.</p>
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		<title>By: paulmct</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-16994</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paulmct]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, Nero needed a scapegoat for the burning of Rome.  The &#039;persecution&#039; was local and not empire-wide.  Subsequent emperors ignored Christians for about the next 200 years.  By that time their numbers were significant enough to be seen as a potential threat.

Secondly, if a large enough number of believers proves authenticity, you would have to concede the authenticity of other religions, with their hundreds of millions of followers.

Thirdly, just because the cult spread, that doesn&#039;t mean the people doing the spreading actually witnessed anything.  Missionaries continue to spread religions, without ever having met or witnessed the prophet personally.  Believe it or not, there were gullible people 2000 years ago, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, Nero needed a scapegoat for the burning of Rome.  The &#8216;persecution&#8217; was local and not empire-wide.  Subsequent emperors ignored Christians for about the next 200 years.  By that time their numbers were significant enough to be seen as a potential threat.</p>
<p>Secondly, if a large enough number of believers proves authenticity, you would have to concede the authenticity of other religions, with their hundreds of millions of followers.</p>
<p>Thirdly, just because the cult spread, that doesn&#8217;t mean the people doing the spreading actually witnessed anything.  Missionaries continue to spread religions, without ever having met or witnessed the prophet personally.  Believe it or not, there were gullible people 2000 years ago, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Thinking Ape</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/12/lost-gospel-of-herschel-goldman/#comment-16993</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thinking Ape]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mike, using your logic in comment 8, why is Islam and Buddhism not as viable then as Christianity? Both founders have much more credibility, if going by the number of eyewitness testimonies, than Jesus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, using your logic in comment 8, why is Islam and Buddhism not as viable then as Christianity? Both founders have much more credibility, if going by the number of eyewitness testimonies, than Jesus.</p>
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