Comments on: The 10 Commandments are an extremely weak basis for morality http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: CheezChoc http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-36356 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:42:57 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-36356 re: honoring parents….What is one to do if one’s mother and father are horrible people, if they’re abusive, drunk, addicted, in jail, absent, etc? How can they deserve honor?

]]> By: MichelP http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-36355 Mon, 07 Sep 2009 21:14:41 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-36355 On rape:
You cannot rape (covered under “covet”) a married woman and the slave of a married man. You CAN rape your wife or any free single woman, no mention of age.
On torture:
Torture is OK as long as it doen’t provoke death and your victims are not your mother or father.
On child molestation:
You can’t covet someone else’s child. It’s OK in your family.
On bigotry:
Not covered.

]]> By: The Apostate http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18452 Sun, 13 Apr 2008 02:11:03 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18452 George, why don’t we, for the sake of a western argument, assume that our liberal freedoms (democracy, speech, religion, etc.) are universal – at least shared among the North American and European states (in their various forms). How is it that you can claim that those specific liberal freedoms which did not, for the most part, show themselves until the mid 18th century (France, United States), are based on the 10 Commandments? Where do you find an argument for democracy anywhere in the Old Testament (or even for political involvement at all in the New)? Where do you stake a freedom of speech in the Mosaic law? And perhaps most important, where is there a right to enjoy religious freedom – which by its very definition means the religious freedom beyond your own (wouldn’t the 10 Commandments actually contradict the Constitution of every nation, including the United States, which allows for each individual free to adhere to their own religious way?

]]> By: George http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18379 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 14:43:13 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18379 I’m apologize TA, I assumed you were American… btw, I’m not by birth, although I live in the USA. I’m curious, where are you from TA, then I can answer your questions a little better.

]]> By: The Apostate http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18321 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 15:13:52 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18321 George, you did not answer any of my questions. Please, if I am so dense, inform me. My founding fathers were British and Scottish and had my country had more to do with business interests than religion; maybe it is time to stop assuming America is the light of the world and that everyone should be called an American.

But of course, if you were capable of putting aside your own narrow paradigm, you could see that I could care less about the American constitution (or however you would like to spell it). I want to know specifically how you can account for our freedoms through the Ten Commandments. Your response was merely to call me a fool and uneducated. So please, as the wiser elder, educate me.

]]> By: George http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18309 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:08:36 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18309 TA

Tsk, tsk… it would have been better if you had not said anything. Sometimes it’s better to keep quiet and let others think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. Obviously there are some serious gaps in your education.

Aside from the premises our founding fathers had in mind when they came together, and aside from our entire legal system being based on the judeo-christian belief system, how exactly DID we “attain” all the freedoms guaranteed to us by our _____ (fill in the blank oh brilliant one).

You really should have invested some thought into your response.

]]> By: The Apostate http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18308 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 06:42:47 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18308 Could someone please explain to this intellectual midget how one attains democracy, freedom of speech, and all the freedoms we enjoy from a patriarchal tribal system of just ten laws? Was the fifth commandment “Thou shalt not infringe on another’s freedom of speech” and the seventh “Thou shalt elect thee dictators”? Or was it the other way around?

Please explain, George, the intellectual giant, where democracy was preordained in the Mosaic law. Did Samuel take a vote before swearing in Saul?

]]> By: George http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18296 Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:12:33 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18296 Great…

The de-Convert, you are an intellectual _________ (insert your word here). Not only is your reasoning seriously flawed, apparently you don’t even know what country you live in. Some posters here have no understanding of our legal system and what it’s founded on. Any of you read The Constituion lately?

I’m amazed… I won’t even bother to ask who here knows where the “Separation of Church and State’ law came into effect and where it is stated… (hint, for most people, this is a trick question that unless you google it, you will not know the answer)

Well de-Convert, I guess our entire democracy, freedom of speech, all freedoms we enjoy, they must go out the window, since they are all based on the rather “weak” basis of morality of the 10 commandments.

Oh, I got a word that fits in the space above… midget.

]]> By: TheNorEaster http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18059 Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:46:53 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18059 Overall, I do not believe this list is a good basis for morality.

“If the world were perfect, it wouldn’t be.”
~Yogi Berra

]]> By: Mike http://de-conversion.com/2008/03/21/the-10-commandments-are-an-extremely-weak-basis-for-morality/#comment-18000 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:02:11 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=782#comment-18000 Dont know if anyone still cares or is reading this thread anymore, but I found the Gordon Wenham article I was referring to. It is at:

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_pentateuch_wenham.html

Again, it goes into the history of the Documentary Hypothesis and its current state of crisis. Then he proposes some alternatives to the theory. Enjoy!

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