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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-51414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I really deeply considered and thought long and hard about what I would value more than an afterlife in the absence of God, I realized I valued my fellow humans more! I became more concerned about the problems and issues and status of humans more than anything. Without a &quot;god&quot; to fix or manage or intercede, I realized I had a deep and real responsibility to humans as a whole. Maybe what we call God is nothing more than being more human to each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I really deeply considered and thought long and hard about what I would value more than an afterlife in the absence of God, I realized I valued my fellow humans more! I became more concerned about the problems and issues and status of humans more than anything. Without a &#8220;god&#8221; to fix or manage or intercede, I realized I had a deep and real responsibility to humans as a whole. Maybe what we call God is nothing more than being more human to each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsa</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-50290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elsa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Their blind denial of archaeological evidence. The bones are there, carbon dating works, and sticking your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la won&#039;t change that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their blind denial of archaeological evidence. The bones are there, carbon dating works, and sticking your fingers in your ears and going la-la-la won&#8217;t change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-49306</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a valid reason why you are not a believer, but I don&#039;t quite think it&#039;s a &quot;reason you left the faith&quot; that should be on this list.  More of a &quot;reason I never had any faith to begin with&quot;.  Congratulations on having parents who did not indoctrinate you.  I wish more children could grow up like that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a valid reason why you are not a believer, but I don&#8217;t quite think it&#8217;s a &#8220;reason you left the faith&#8221; that should be on this list.  More of a &#8220;reason I never had any faith to begin with&#8221;.  Congratulations on having parents who did not indoctrinate you.  I wish more children could grow up like that!</p>
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		<title>By: GearHedEd</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-49280</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GearHedEd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know this is late in the game, but this one isn&#039;t yet in the list:

&quot;My parents neglected to poke Christianity through the soft spot in my skull before it hardened and was too late to affect me, therefore, I grew up an atheist and never had to go through a painful de-conversion.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is late in the game, but this one isn&#8217;t yet in the list:</p>
<p>&#8220;My parents neglected to poke Christianity through the soft spot in my skull before it hardened and was too late to affect me, therefore, I grew up an atheist and never had to go through a painful de-conversion.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hendy,  that was the study I was obliquely referring to in my last post.  Thanks for the reference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hendy,  that was the study I was obliquely referring to in my last post.  Thanks for the reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Hendy</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-48751</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hendy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always love referring to this &lt;a href=&quot;http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;STUDY&lt;/a&gt; when this kind of life quality argument comes up.

Snippet:

&lt;i&gt;In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies (Figures 1-9). The most theistic prosperous democracy, the U.S., is exceptional, but not in the manner Franklin predicted. The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developed democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a “shining city on the hill” to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures of societal health.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always love referring to this <a href="http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html" rel="nofollow">STUDY</a> when this kind of life quality argument comes up.</p>
<p>Snippet:</p>
<p><i>In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies (Figures 1-9). The most theistic prosperous democracy, the U.S., is exceptional, but not in the manner Franklin predicted. The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developed democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a “shining city on the hill” to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures of societal health.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Rosita</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rosita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bob: another condescenidng delusional with a reading comprehension problem and a critical thinking deficit.  

Psychotics, epileptics, and adherents of a huge variety of religions, including Bob&#039;s, believe that they &quot;see miracles everyday&quot;.  De-cons have figured out that this does not prove that these events are really supernatural or that the supernatural agents who are purported to cause them actually exist.  Bob suffers from the common religious fallacy that _his_ perception is infallible and everyone else is wrong. 

My life is no worse, and probably better, than it was when I was a devout Christian.  There is no evidence that Christians have better lives than non-believers, and quite a lot of evidence that they are actually worse off.  There is no evidence at all that someone can have &quot;the best life anyone could ever ask for&quot; just by wanting it, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Kalathumpian or non-theist.  Of course, it helps if you have good health and lots of money.  It is more important to be able to choose one&#039;s parents carefully than one&#039;s god.  Most people have no real choice about either.   

Bob needs a better education.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: another condescenidng delusional with a reading comprehension problem and a critical thinking deficit.  </p>
<p>Psychotics, epileptics, and adherents of a huge variety of religions, including Bob&#8217;s, believe that they &#8220;see miracles everyday&#8221;.  De-cons have figured out that this does not prove that these events are really supernatural or that the supernatural agents who are purported to cause them actually exist.  Bob suffers from the common religious fallacy that _his_ perception is infallible and everyone else is wrong. </p>
<p>My life is no worse, and probably better, than it was when I was a devout Christian.  There is no evidence that Christians have better lives than non-believers, and quite a lot of evidence that they are actually worse off.  There is no evidence at all that someone can have &#8220;the best life anyone could ever ask for&#8221; just by wanting it, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Kalathumpian or non-theist.  Of course, it helps if you have good health and lots of money.  It is more important to be able to choose one&#8217;s parents carefully than one&#8217;s god.  Most people have no real choice about either.   </p>
<p>Bob needs a better education.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/04/07/inconvenient-categories-the-really-real-reasons-de-cons-left-the-faith/#comment-48744</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeoPardus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some assholes are sufficiently odiferous to bring even me out of the basement.

Bob is outahere.  Me too now.

Best to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some assholes are sufficiently odiferous to bring even me out of the basement.</p>
<p>Bob is outahere.  Me too now.</p>
<p>Best to all.</p>
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		<title>By: RtPt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RtPt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You assume that we (non-believers/rational individuals) do not have good and satisfying lives. Bob, that is rubbish. 

You make up miracles everyday. Life is wonderful and does not need any metaphysical nonsense to make it so. 

You are partly correct...people can make their lives better but they do not need some delusional thinking like you do in order to achieve it. 

Agnostics and Atheists embrace &quot;this&quot; world and not some imaginary better afterlife. We understand that his life is the best that we will ever get, it makes us appreciate every small and large part of it instead denouncing it as lacking as the faithful often do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You assume that we (non-believers/rational individuals) do not have good and satisfying lives. Bob, that is rubbish. </p>
<p>You make up miracles everyday. Life is wonderful and does not need any metaphysical nonsense to make it so. </p>
<p>You are partly correct&#8230;people can make their lives better but they do not need some delusional thinking like you do in order to achieve it. </p>
<p>Agnostics and Atheists embrace &#8220;this&#8221; world and not some imaginary better afterlife. We understand that his life is the best that we will ever get, it makes us appreciate every small and large part of it instead denouncing it as lacking as the faithful often do.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you have proof of these miracles or are you just a liar for whatever god you worship?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have proof of these miracles or are you just a liar for whatever god you worship?</p>
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