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		<title>By: TheNerd</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20093</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 17:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that when something is &quot;off limits&quot;, it suddenly seems that much more desireable.  It&#039;s like telling a child that he can&#039;t have a cookie, even when he wasn&#039;t thinking about cookies at all - that kid is going to be tormenting you until he gets one!  But force cookies upon him, and he will soon clamp his mouth shut.

LP, I belive you are referring to the &quot;esablisment clause&quot; in the Constitution as not being a required separation of church and state.  True, it doesn&#039;t flat-out say that church and state must not mix, but it does clearly state  that one religion may not be respected over any others.  As a state-run institution, public schools may not have a instructor-lead Christian prayer every morning, at the expense of all other represented faiths.

I only regret that Thomas Jefferson did not write the Consitution, as he did such a fine job of defining separation of church and state in his Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia.  You can read his masterpiece here: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that when something is &#8220;off limits&#8221;, it suddenly seems that much more desireable.  It&#8217;s like telling a child that he can&#8217;t have a cookie, even when he wasn&#8217;t thinking about cookies at all &#8211; that kid is going to be tormenting you until he gets one!  But force cookies upon him, and he will soon clamp his mouth shut.</p>
<p>LP, I belive you are referring to the &#8220;esablisment clause&#8221; in the Constitution as not being a required separation of church and state.  True, it doesn&#8217;t flat-out say that church and state must not mix, but it does clearly state  that one religion may not be respected over any others.  As a state-run institution, public schools may not have a instructor-lead Christian prayer every morning, at the expense of all other represented faiths.</p>
<p>I only regret that Thomas Jefferson did not write the Consitution, as he did such a fine job of defining separation of church and state in his Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom in Virginia.  You can read his masterpiece here: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7842/rfindex.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[exevangel:

Actually there is NOT any constitutionally-required separation of church and state. Go ahead and read the Constitution. It isn&#039;t in there.  I can tell you where the idea came from if you&#039;re interested.

Anyway, have you seen all the cases of teachers having a Bible in school, or wearing a cross, or engaging in any conversation of religious content, etc, and getting in trouble for such &lt;i&gt;heinous&lt;/i&gt; actions?  

I may not be any tremendous fan of religion anymore, but I can still acknowledge that there are times when state or governmental appendages are unnecessarily hostile, or at least paranoid.

*Yeah, I know. Folks will think I&#039;ve been reading conservative, Christian propaganda under my bed covers at night now.*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exevangel:</p>
<p>Actually there is NOT any constitutionally-required separation of church and state. Go ahead and read the Constitution. It isn&#8217;t in there.  I can tell you where the idea came from if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
<p>Anyway, have you seen all the cases of teachers having a Bible in school, or wearing a cross, or engaging in any conversation of religious content, etc, and getting in trouble for such <i>heinous</i> actions?  </p>
<p>I may not be any tremendous fan of religion anymore, but I can still acknowledge that there are times when state or governmental appendages are unnecessarily hostile, or at least paranoid.</p>
<p>*Yeah, I know. Folks will think I&#8217;ve been reading conservative, Christian propaganda under my bed covers at night now.*</p>
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		<title>By: exevangel</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20037</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 14:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LeoPardus, I&#039;m not sure I can agree with a statement that the US qualifies under the phrase &quot;state’s hostility to religion&quot;.  There is a constitutionally-required separation of church and state that has yet managed to become eroded under the current president.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeoPardus, I&#8217;m not sure I can agree with a statement that the US qualifies under the phrase &#8220;state’s hostility to religion&#8221;.  There is a constitutionally-required separation of church and state that has yet managed to become eroded under the current president.</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20029</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nullifidian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Addendum: in the USA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum: in the USA.</p>
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		<title>By: nullifidian</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20028</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nullifidian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LeoPardus: it was atheists who pushed to remove &lt;em&gt;compulsory state-sponsored&lt;/em&gt; prayer in school.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeoPardus: it was atheists who pushed to remove <em>compulsory state-sponsored</em> prayer in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Yurka</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yurka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;m a cat man myself, which is why I think you can&#039;t be all bad LP. When I see camels, dogs, platypuses I think to myself, &#039;that thing might have been slapped together by undirected nature&#039;, but when I see a big cat/cat I think &#039;now THAT&#039;s got to be designed.&#039;

As a cat person, how can you deny design?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m a cat man myself, which is why I think you can&#8217;t be all bad LP. When I see camels, dogs, platypuses I think to myself, &#8216;that thing might have been slapped together by undirected nature&#8217;, but when I see a big cat/cat I think &#8216;now THAT&#8217;s got to be designed.&#8217;</p>
<p>As a cat person, how can you deny design?</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20024</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yurka:

 Thanks for introducing more humor to the thread.

 P.S. Leo Pardus is the &lt;i&gt;old&lt;/i&gt; taxonomy designation for the leopard. And I prefer the subvariety melanotica.  
 Felis catus is the new taxonomy for the common house cat. In this new silliness, they want to call leopards Pathera pardus.  Hmf! As if they think I want to be a panther.  Leopardus are much sneakier.  And how dumb is it to call a housecat Felis catus???  It sounds like something off the Coyote/Roadrunner show. Poor Linnaeus must be spinning in his tomb.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yurka:</p>
<p> Thanks for introducing more humor to the thread.</p>
<p> P.S. Leo Pardus is the <i>old</i> taxonomy designation for the leopard. And I prefer the subvariety melanotica.<br />
 Felis catus is the new taxonomy for the common house cat. In this new silliness, they want to call leopards Pathera pardus.  Hmf! As if they think I want to be a panther.  Leopardus are much sneakier.  And how dumb is it to call a housecat Felis catus???  It sounds like something off the Coyote/Roadrunner show. Poor Linnaeus must be spinning in his tomb.</p>
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		<title>By: vitaminbook</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20022</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vitaminbook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s great. From now on, though, it would be nice if you differentiated between &#039;the Netherlands&#039; and &#039;the entirety of Europe&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s great. From now on, though, it would be nice if you differentiated between &#8216;the Netherlands&#8217; and &#8216;the entirety of Europe&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Yurka</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/06/de-converts-united-for-prayer-in-every-school-dupes/#comment-20021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yurka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking primarily of the Netherlands, where euthanasia is legal and where militant &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200607/SPE20060726a.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; pedophiles&lt;/a&gt; 
 seem to be the most &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/dutch_movement_text.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;active&lt;/a&gt;.

Also Sweden where bestiality has become a problem since the secularization of that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/may/05050406.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; nation&lt;/a&gt;.

I wasn&#039;t even thinking of Ireland. I have MAJOR disagreements with Catholic theology, but I must say Benedict XVI is doing a magnificent job resisting secular bullying. He is a man of integrity and wisdom - much more so than his predecessor. He  does not bow the knee to Baal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking primarily of the Netherlands, where euthanasia is legal and where militant <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=/SpecialReports/archive/200607/SPE20060726a.html" rel="nofollow"> pedophiles</a><br />
 seem to be the most <a href="http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/dutch_movement_text.htm" rel="nofollow">active</a>.</p>
<p>Also Sweden where bestiality has become a problem since the secularization of that <a href="http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/may/05050406.html" rel="nofollow"> nation</a>.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t even thinking of Ireland. I have MAJOR disagreements with Catholic theology, but I must say Benedict XVI is doing a magnificent job resisting secular bullying. He is a man of integrity and wisdom &#8211; much more so than his predecessor. He  does not bow the knee to Baal.</p>
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		<title>By: vitaminbook</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vitaminbook]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In what sense does Europe &#039;embrace euthenasia and pedophilia&#039;? And which countries in particular are you talking about here? Because I live Ireland, and I have to say, I&#039;ve never heard anyone embrace either of those things. The government certainly doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what sense does Europe &#8216;embrace euthenasia and pedophilia&#8217;? And which countries in particular are you talking about here? Because I live Ireland, and I have to say, I&#8217;ve never heard anyone embrace either of those things. The government certainly doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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