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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45417</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 04:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my church community, most of the people were twice to thrice my age. Wonderful people, but not really who I would go to socialize with. To find Christians my age, I had to look outside of my church, for the most part, and I left pretty much all of those people when I went to my first pastorate, in a rural parish. So while there was some sad breaking of relationships, it wasn&#039;t the same sort of thing most people might go through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my church community, most of the people were twice to thrice my age. Wonderful people, but not really who I would go to socialize with. To find Christians my age, I had to look outside of my church, for the most part, and I left pretty much all of those people when I went to my first pastorate, in a rural parish. So while there was some sad breaking of relationships, it wasn&#8217;t the same sort of thing most people might go through.</p>
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		<title>By: Lyra's Alias</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyra's Alias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given my context is that of being very involved in a campus church at a secular university, I think they are much more used to seeing people question and renounce faith.  This could be why people there are responding to my doubt and frustration with religion like they are - with respect, kindness, and genuine friendship.  

I don&#039;t expect as good a response from my brother when I do talk to him about how I&#039;m doing, but given neither of my parents are Christians, the general disposition of the church I&#039;ve been a part of, and that I am single, my situation could be leagues more difficult/complicated.  I&#039;m grateful that it isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given my context is that of being very involved in a campus church at a secular university, I think they are much more used to seeing people question and renounce faith.  This could be why people there are responding to my doubt and frustration with religion like they are &#8211; with respect, kindness, and genuine friendship.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect as good a response from my brother when I do talk to him about how I&#8217;m doing, but given neither of my parents are Christians, the general disposition of the church I&#8217;ve been a part of, and that I am single, my situation could be leagues more difficult/complicated.  I&#8217;m grateful that it isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45340</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heck, our entire Veggie Tales collection was purchased A.D. (After De-conversion.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, our entire Veggie Tales collection was purchased A.D. (After De-conversion.)</p>
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		<title>By: scootwes</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45338</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I only just found this posting (sometimes these posts get &quot;resurrected&quot; a couple of years later, don&#039;t they?).

My wife and I are trying to figure out what to do with the christian part of our library, which after 30 years of marriage is about 75% of the total. I&#039;m embarrassed that if we throw them out, it will appear to visitors that we don&#039;t love books as much as we actually do! I was so proud of my collection of books by and about C.S. Lewis. I must have 30 or 40 of those! 

Lyra&#039;s Alias nails it on the head about what is the most difficult part of shedding one&#039;s faith: leaving behind the warmth and love of the church family, or rather, having them turn their backs on you. There is no easy way around that. Some people I read about find it so hard that they actually remain a part of the church community while maintaining a firm non-belief in god. I believe Robert Wright (The Evolution of God) is one of those.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only just found this posting (sometimes these posts get &#8220;resurrected&#8221; a couple of years later, don&#8217;t they?).</p>
<p>My wife and I are trying to figure out what to do with the christian part of our library, which after 30 years of marriage is about 75% of the total. I&#8217;m embarrassed that if we throw them out, it will appear to visitors that we don&#8217;t love books as much as we actually do! I was so proud of my collection of books by and about C.S. Lewis. I must have 30 or 40 of those! </p>
<p>Lyra&#8217;s Alias nails it on the head about what is the most difficult part of shedding one&#8217;s faith: leaving behind the warmth and love of the church family, or rather, having them turn their backs on you. There is no easy way around that. Some people I read about find it so hard that they actually remain a part of the church community while maintaining a firm non-belief in god. I believe Robert Wright (The Evolution of God) is one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45335</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, it&#039;s been two years and three moves since this post. I still have most of my &quot;stuff&quot;. I&#039;m sending one box of books to my old seminary&#039;s booksale, which still leaves me with many Christian books. I&#039;ve gotten rid of a number of bibles, only keeping the six with sentimental value. Some things are in boxes that I&#039;m simply not opening yet. 

Yeah, I&#039;m a packrat.

And I still like some VeggieTales songs...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s been two years and three moves since this post. I still have most of my &#8220;stuff&#8221;. I&#8217;m sending one box of books to my old seminary&#8217;s booksale, which still leaves me with many Christian books. I&#8217;ve gotten rid of a number of bibles, only keeping the six with sentimental value. Some things are in boxes that I&#8217;m simply not opening yet. </p>
<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m a packrat.</p>
<p>And I still like some VeggieTales songs&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lyra's Alias</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45327</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lyra's Alias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 22:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving story.  I am struggling quite hard with Christianity, and have talked with people knowing that is realistic I may not be a Christian anymore sometime in the forseeable future about these kinds of things, how to handle friendships and possessions and whatnot.

I went with my brother&#039;s girlfriend to their church today and became pretty emotional when they started playing a worship song I associate with a lot of people I am close to from my university and another one, with whom I have lived and worked and prayed.  To see my brother, whom I love dearly and have been afraid to talk to about my doubts playing drums for that song and thinking about these friends, all of whom are Christians, was powerful and painful.  That&#039;s how a few worship songs are for me - I don&#039;t tend to enjoy worship music much, but the songs I associate with specific people who have really meant a lot to me, those songs will always resonate regardless of my philosophical stance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving story.  I am struggling quite hard with Christianity, and have talked with people knowing that is realistic I may not be a Christian anymore sometime in the forseeable future about these kinds of things, how to handle friendships and possessions and whatnot.</p>
<p>I went with my brother&#8217;s girlfriend to their church today and became pretty emotional when they started playing a worship song I associate with a lot of people I am close to from my university and another one, with whom I have lived and worked and prayed.  To see my brother, whom I love dearly and have been afraid to talk to about my doubts playing drums for that song and thinking about these friends, all of whom are Christians, was powerful and painful.  That&#8217;s how a few worship songs are for me &#8211; I don&#8217;t tend to enjoy worship music much, but the songs I associate with specific people who have really meant a lot to me, those songs will always resonate regardless of my philosophical stance.</p>
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		<title>By: ACN</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45323</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ACN]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 16:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas,

I felt similarly about a particular bible my mom gave me after my confirmation class years ago.  I am a recent de-convert, but I don&#039;t think I will ever get rid of it for similar reasons, even though I no longer accept the absurd claims of the biblical accounts, it has significant sentimental value as a token of my mom&#039;s pride and happiness.  

I&#039;d like to have it remember her, and a particularly happy time we shared, when she eventually dies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>I felt similarly about a particular bible my mom gave me after my confirmation class years ago.  I am a recent de-convert, but I don&#8217;t think I will ever get rid of it for similar reasons, even though I no longer accept the absurd claims of the biblical accounts, it has significant sentimental value as a token of my mom&#8217;s pride and happiness.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to have it remember her, and a particularly happy time we shared, when she eventually dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-45316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 11:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the themes I wanted to include in my deconversion story (rough draft written) was a bit on &quot;all the stuff.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure this element would stay through all the drafts - indeed, I find many deconversion stories too wordy to get through, so I&#039;d like to weed out the extraneous bits.

I have a cheap little name-plate plaque which my mother gave me at my adult baptism.  This little object has meant so many different things to me over the years.  When it was new, I had a hard time with it because my mom went to the wrong kind of church.  In fact, when she first heard I was going to be baptized (by &quot;partial&quot; immersion a la Achilles), she suggested that the infant baptism she did for me should be sufficient.  So, as a believer, I never knew what to think of this gift.

Later, it ended up in a box with the other Jesus items I couldn&#039;t bear to keep or throw away.  For years I could hardly look at the T-shirts and books and so on ... for many reasons, I&#039;m sure you&#039;re already familiar with.

Finally, now that more than 15 years has passed (and Mom is slowly fading away from Alsheimers), I can see this a new way.  It is a token of my mom doing somethng nice for me at a special moment in my life.  True, I left the path she was helping me celebrate, but she stayed my mom and I stayed her son.

I&#039;m glad I kept it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the themes I wanted to include in my deconversion story (rough draft written) was a bit on &#8220;all the stuff.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure this element would stay through all the drafts &#8211; indeed, I find many deconversion stories too wordy to get through, so I&#8217;d like to weed out the extraneous bits.</p>
<p>I have a cheap little name-plate plaque which my mother gave me at my adult baptism.  This little object has meant so many different things to me over the years.  When it was new, I had a hard time with it because my mom went to the wrong kind of church.  In fact, when she first heard I was going to be baptized (by &#8220;partial&#8221; immersion a la Achilles), she suggested that the infant baptism she did for me should be sufficient.  So, as a believer, I never knew what to think of this gift.</p>
<p>Later, it ended up in a box with the other Jesus items I couldn&#8217;t bear to keep or throw away.  For years I could hardly look at the T-shirts and books and so on &#8230; for many reasons, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re already familiar with.</p>
<p>Finally, now that more than 15 years has passed (and Mom is slowly fading away from Alsheimers), I can see this a new way.  It is a token of my mom doing somethng nice for me at a special moment in my life.  True, I left the path she was helping me celebrate, but she stayed my mom and I stayed her son.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I kept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-32914</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, is this a spambot that doesn&#8217;t actually advertise anything, or an April Fool&#8217;s joke?</p>
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		<title>By: Noble</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/10/baggage-emotional-and-otherwise/#comment-32913</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Noble]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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