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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-25162</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a Christian, but when I was, it was not that I assumed my deceased loved ones were in a better place, I was unsure, according to my beliefs only God knew what was in their heart so I could never say with 100% certainty that they were in a better place, even though I believed in an afterlife It was still hard knowing that I wouldn&#039;t see someone or be with someone for a very long time, especially if I am part of a church community who I interact with regularly, it gets hard to let go when you have expectations of seeing them daily.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Christian, but when I was, it was not that I assumed my deceased loved ones were in a better place, I was unsure, according to my beliefs only God knew what was in their heart so I could never say with 100% certainty that they were in a better place, even though I believed in an afterlife It was still hard knowing that I wouldn&#8217;t see someone or be with someone for a very long time, especially if I am part of a church community who I interact with regularly, it gets hard to let go when you have expectations of seeing them daily.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Jo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20342</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another thought, the death that affected me the most, I didn&#039;t have any feelings towards the guy, but I have many feeling on HOW he died (suicide).  I never cried for him but to this day, it&#039;s been the most upsetting death for me.  The 2nd most upsetting was when my father in law died (drunk driving).  These two deaths have stayed with me a long time though I had very little outward emotional displays at either of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought, the death that affected me the most, I didn&#8217;t have any feelings towards the guy, but I have many feeling on HOW he died (suicide).  I never cried for him but to this day, it&#8217;s been the most upsetting death for me.  The 2nd most upsetting was when my father in law died (drunk driving).  These two deaths have stayed with me a long time though I had very little outward emotional displays at either of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Goas</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20324</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 13:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Bobbi Jo&#039;s points. Maybe the congregation knew B very well, Maybe the people mourning have more emotional tendencies and it might not take much to set them off into an emotional display (sadness in this case).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Bobbi Jo&#8217;s points. Maybe the congregation knew B very well, Maybe the people mourning have more emotional tendencies and it might not take much to set them off into an emotional display (sadness in this case).</p>
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		<title>By: Bobbi Jo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20315</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with aussie guy that it is a personality thing.  There are several factors to consider.  

1) how well did they know the decesed?
2) what is their emotional state like? (meaning: are they prone to cry at the drop of a hat anyway?)
3)could these also be tears of happiness? (I cried when my daughter was interviewed for mother&#039;s day just by what she said and it made me proud and happy)
4)what is truely in their heart? (Just cause they go to church does not make one a christian, so maybe they don&#039;t really believe they&#039;ll see that person again) 

Probably more but that&#039;s a start.  I think it&#039;s a mix of all those.  I was just at a wedding and the mom was crying because in a sense, she was losing her daughter but was also celebrating her daughter&#039;s new life with her husband.  Tears of sorrow and happiness.   

I&#039;ve been to funerals where there were lots of tears at the actual funeral, but after, we all went out drinking to celabrate that person&#039;s life.  There were no tears, just a good time.  

Also, all of these have been very mixed funerals.  Meaning that even though it might have been a proper religious burial, I knew and accepted that not everyone there believed the same as the deceased or as the pastor doing the service, so there would be mixed emotions as to how to grieve for that person.  It didn&#039;t bother me if someone was wailing away, nor did it bother me if they seamed inaffected.  

BJ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with aussie guy that it is a personality thing.  There are several factors to consider.  </p>
<p>1) how well did they know the decesed?<br />
2) what is their emotional state like? (meaning: are they prone to cry at the drop of a hat anyway?)<br />
3)could these also be tears of happiness? (I cried when my daughter was interviewed for mother&#8217;s day just by what she said and it made me proud and happy)<br />
4)what is truely in their heart? (Just cause they go to church does not make one a christian, so maybe they don&#8217;t really believe they&#8217;ll see that person again) </p>
<p>Probably more but that&#8217;s a start.  I think it&#8217;s a mix of all those.  I was just at a wedding and the mom was crying because in a sense, she was losing her daughter but was also celebrating her daughter&#8217;s new life with her husband.  Tears of sorrow and happiness.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to funerals where there were lots of tears at the actual funeral, but after, we all went out drinking to celabrate that person&#8217;s life.  There were no tears, just a good time.  </p>
<p>Also, all of these have been very mixed funerals.  Meaning that even though it might have been a proper religious burial, I knew and accepted that not everyone there believed the same as the deceased or as the pastor doing the service, so there would be mixed emotions as to how to grieve for that person.  It didn&#8217;t bother me if someone was wailing away, nor did it bother me if they seamed inaffected.  </p>
<p>BJ</p>
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		<title>By: karen</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20301</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 05:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting reactions, Leo.

In the fundy churches I attended, I often felt that there was an annoying amount of forced cheerfulness at funerals, particularly those of people who died suddenly, very young, etc. 

Several fundy funerals I attended were infused with this Rule that We Should Not Be Sorrowful, but should Rejoice! because this person was taken home to be with the Lord. Fanciful scenarios would be drawn about the deceased entering the gates of heaven, cavorting with the angels, yukking it up with Jesus, and - of course - looking down on all of us (particularly the family) and hoping that we wouldn&#039;t be sad for him/her.

Sometimes, I wanted to have some freedom to be sad, cry, ask &quot;why Lord!?&quot; but that was really discouraged. &quot;The body may be there in the coffin, but that&#039;s not really L - that&#039;s just her shell; her spirit is up in heaven now.&quot;

The reality of death, the necessity of grieving, the human need for catharsis and mourning - it was all cut off at the knees as the pastor denied that there was anything to be sorry about, except perhaps for a little self-pity that we wouldn&#039;t be able to spend time with the deceased anymore. But that was presented as a weakness, not a part of being human.

That whole scenario bugged me and struck me as cruel long before I started to seriously question religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reactions, Leo.</p>
<p>In the fundy churches I attended, I often felt that there was an annoying amount of forced cheerfulness at funerals, particularly those of people who died suddenly, very young, etc. </p>
<p>Several fundy funerals I attended were infused with this Rule that We Should Not Be Sorrowful, but should Rejoice! because this person was taken home to be with the Lord. Fanciful scenarios would be drawn about the deceased entering the gates of heaven, cavorting with the angels, yukking it up with Jesus, and &#8211; of course &#8211; looking down on all of us (particularly the family) and hoping that we wouldn&#8217;t be sad for him/her.</p>
<p>Sometimes, I wanted to have some freedom to be sad, cry, ask &#8220;why Lord!?&#8221; but that was really discouraged. &#8220;The body may be there in the coffin, but that&#8217;s not really L &#8211; that&#8217;s just her shell; her spirit is up in heaven now.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reality of death, the necessity of grieving, the human need for catharsis and mourning &#8211; it was all cut off at the knees as the pastor denied that there was anything to be sorry about, except perhaps for a little self-pity that we wouldn&#8217;t be able to spend time with the deceased anymore. But that was presented as a weakness, not a part of being human.</p>
<p>That whole scenario bugged me and struck me as cruel long before I started to seriously question religion.</p>
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		<title>By: pastaj</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20299</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 02:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ya know, it could be, that whether we are religious or non religious is beside the point.  We are all human.  Yes, religious folks SHOULD rejoice that they will see their loved ones, but the fact is, many don&#039;t, but give them a little credit, they&#039;ll miss dear friends that they more than likely got very acquainted with over the years through their church.  When Moses died, the children of Israel wept for him for like a month and half, and they had seen the very presence of God.  They KNEW Moses was going to a better place, but they still mourned a long time for their friend and leader.  People aren&#039;t perfect, and Christians sometimes don&#039;t back up what they say they believe, but they&#039;re people, just like non religious folks are, just like we all are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya know, it could be, that whether we are religious or non religious is beside the point.  We are all human.  Yes, religious folks SHOULD rejoice that they will see their loved ones, but the fact is, many don&#8217;t, but give them a little credit, they&#8217;ll miss dear friends that they more than likely got very acquainted with over the years through their church.  When Moses died, the children of Israel wept for him for like a month and half, and they had seen the very presence of God.  They KNEW Moses was going to a better place, but they still mourned a long time for their friend and leader.  People aren&#8217;t perfect, and Christians sometimes don&#8217;t back up what they say they believe, but they&#8217;re people, just like non religious folks are, just like we all are.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20294</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 23:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe Sperling, putting the &quot;fun&quot; back in FUNeral. *grin*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Sperling, putting the &#8220;fun&#8221; back in FUNeral. *grin*</p>
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		<title>By: SnugglyBuffalo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnugglyBuffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha, puns are at the core of my humor (much to the chagrin of my friends, especially when they catch themselves doing it now!), I love it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, puns are at the core of my humor (much to the chagrin of my friends, especially when they catch themselves doing it now!), I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sperling</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20284</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Sperling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At my funeral I would like the following:

Speaker:  &quot;We have a grave situation here. Can you dig it? You in the back there, cover your mouth please or take a VICKS 44 lozenge, it&#039;ll stop that coffin. Please be bury quiet, while I describe to you how Joe always wanted to be a boxboy one day.  I have here a gallon of the elixir of cow which will be buried with Joe today, because every body needs milk. Well, we all need to get going so let&#039;s put a lid on it and get to the wake as quickly as possible. But before we go let me tell you they found Mozart in his sarcophogus(?) erasing his music. When he was asked what he was doing he said he was decomposing.  OK, let&#039;s go bury the dude now.

I know----very bad humor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At my funeral I would like the following:</p>
<p>Speaker:  &#8220;We have a grave situation here. Can you dig it? You in the back there, cover your mouth please or take a VICKS 44 lozenge, it&#8217;ll stop that coffin. Please be bury quiet, while I describe to you how Joe always wanted to be a boxboy one day.  I have here a gallon of the elixir of cow which will be buried with Joe today, because every body needs milk. Well, we all need to get going so let&#8217;s put a lid on it and get to the wake as quickly as possible. But before we go let me tell you they found Mozart in his sarcophogus(?) erasing his music. When he was asked what he was doing he said he was decomposing.  OK, let&#8217;s go bury the dude now.</p>
<p>I know&#8212;-very bad humor.</p>
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		<title>By: SnugglyBuffalo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/12/reactions-to-death/#comment-20282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnugglyBuffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 20:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also like Strong Bad&#039;s idea: have my body taken to a taxidermist, and displayed suplexing a cougar.

Really, I refuse to let my death be a typically depressing ordeal. You can mourn on your own time, but if you&#039;re at my funeral, you better be having a good time. I&#039;m going to make damn sure it&#039;s a celebration.

Somewhat more on-topic, I have been to a religious funeral that wasn&#039;t all sadness and mourning, though it was still more morose than I want my funeral to be. I agree that it seems odd when Christians are unable to be happy when their loved one is supposedly &quot;in a better place.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also like Strong Bad&#8217;s idea: have my body taken to a taxidermist, and displayed suplexing a cougar.</p>
<p>Really, I refuse to let my death be a typically depressing ordeal. You can mourn on your own time, but if you&#8217;re at my funeral, you better be having a good time. I&#8217;m going to make damn sure it&#8217;s a celebration.</p>
<p>Somewhat more on-topic, I have been to a religious funeral that wasn&#8217;t all sadness and mourning, though it was still more morose than I want my funeral to be. I agree that it seems odd when Christians are unable to be happy when their loved one is supposedly &#8220;in a better place.&#8221;</p>
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