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		<title>By: Beren</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-63401</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,Just one question that I was hopnig you would address? As a student majoring in Molecular and Cellular Biology, I most definitely recognize the importance of the sciences and research for our society today. However, reading through the letter, I couldn&#039;t find an alternative for cuts proposed. I think many can argue that whatever cause they stand for is very important to the future, just as research and development is.And thus, while I support this issue, I was hopnig you (collectively) could come up with some alternatives that may be better sources of cutting funds as to make this letter even stronger.Best of luck!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,Just one question that I was hopnig you would address? As a student majoring in Molecular and Cellular Biology, I most definitely recognize the importance of the sciences and research for our society today. However, reading through the letter, I couldn&#8217;t find an alternative for cuts proposed. I think many can argue that whatever cause they stand for is very important to the future, just as research and development is.And thus, while I support this issue, I was hopnig you (collectively) could come up with some alternatives that may be better sources of cutting funds as to make this letter even stronger.Best of luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Cron</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-26321</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Cron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is stupid i hate science]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is stupid i hate science</p>
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		<title>By: John T.</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-21466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John T.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There was a time when religion thought it could explain all the world, then came science, they both come up short.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There was a time when religion thought it could explain all the world, then came science, they both come up short.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TheNerd</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-20971</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[HAHA!  &quot;Anonymous - the blog&#039;s way of plugging its ears and saying LA LA LA, I CAN&#039;T HEAR YOU!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHA!  &#8220;Anonymous &#8211; the blog&#8217;s way of plugging its ears and saying LA LA LA, I CAN&#8217;T HEAR YOU!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sperling</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-20934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Sperling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quester---

Good point. No one hear is trying to use science to disprove God, but I have seen it on other boards. Though, it usually does follow a mode where someone who believes tries to prove evolution false through some &quot;facts&quot; concerning species, and then the atheist will come back &quot;proving&quot; that this proves nothing, and will end with a phrase like &quot;why don&#039;t you just admit there is no god you knucklehead&quot; or something to that effect.  LOL  :&gt;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quester&#8212;</p>
<p>Good point. No one hear is trying to use science to disprove God, but I have seen it on other boards. Though, it usually does follow a mode where someone who believes tries to prove evolution false through some &#8220;facts&#8221; concerning species, and then the atheist will come back &#8220;proving&#8221; that this proves nothing, and will end with a phrase like &#8220;why don&#8217;t you just admit there is no god you knucklehead&#8221; or something to that effect.  LOL  :&gt;)</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-20930</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, thanks for telling us this is you, Joe. I usually don&#039;t respond to those who don&#039;t sign in.

Who have you run across who uses science to try to prove God doesn&#039;t exist? It&#039;s pretty futile as no one can prove a negative.

As for the probes, I know what gets reported in the media tends to focus on signs of life, but is that what the probes are sent for, or simply to see what is there?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks for telling us this is you, Joe. I usually don&#8217;t respond to those who don&#8217;t sign in.</p>
<p>Who have you run across who uses science to try to prove God doesn&#8217;t exist? It&#8217;s pretty futile as no one can prove a negative.</p>
<p>As for the probes, I know what gets reported in the media tends to focus on signs of life, but is that what the probes are sent for, or simply to see what is there?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Sperling</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-20927</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Sperling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not sure why &quot;anonymous&quot; popped up all of a sudden. I was posting earlier as myself.  Perhaps the blog was embarrassed for my statements and decided to hide me.  LOL

-Joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why &#8220;anonymous&#8221; popped up all of a sudden. I was posting earlier as myself.  Perhaps the blog was embarrassed for my statements and decided to hide me.  LOL</p>
<p>-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but if we don’t use science to explore for things that may just be fantasy, we will never know.

That is poorly worded.  What I meant to say is that if scientists never use the energy to explore the Universe for life, even though they are not sure it even exists, we would never know.

In a sense, scientists are following the cartoon up above to the right &quot;here is the conclusion, now what facts can we find to support it?&quot; (the creationist model) when they search Mars and other planets for life--they don&#039;t admit that---but I believe it truly is the case or they wouldn&#039;t spend the billions they do on probes, etc. looking for life they are not sure exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if we don’t use science to explore for things that may just be fantasy, we will never know.</p>
<p>That is poorly worded.  What I meant to say is that if scientists never use the energy to explore the Universe for life, even though they are not sure it even exists, we would never know.</p>
<p>In a sense, scientists are following the cartoon up above to the right &#8220;here is the conclusion, now what facts can we find to support it?&#8221; (the creationist model) when they search Mars and other planets for life&#8211;they don&#8217;t admit that&#8212;but I believe it truly is the case or they wouldn&#8217;t spend the billions they do on probes, etc. looking for life they are not sure exists.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As we were discussing, one cannot use science to prove the supernatural. However, one also does not use science very often to prove something doesn&#039;t exist either.  Imagine if the Mars mission people said &quot;We are sending the probe to Mars to garner more information to prove life on other planets doesn&#039;t exist&quot;.

The probe may prove life never existed on Mars, but the probe was not sent to prove that-----on the contrary---scientists hope that life is found on Mars, and &quot;hope&quot; that life exists elsewhere in the Universe. They are unsure if it does---there are no &quot;facts&quot; to prove life does exist elsewhere----but that doesn&#039;t stop them from making attempts to &quot;discover&quot; that life.  

So, I must say, when I hear others trying to use science to try to &quot;prove&quot; there is no God, I question their scientific motives. No astronomer works from a negative perspective of trying to prove that space does not hold other life--I&#039;m sure there are a &quot;few&quot; that come from that perspective, but I think the majority come from the perspective that the &quot;odds&quot; would seem to point to other life elsewhere---even though they cannot prove it----but they are willing to spend millions of dollars to see if they can find it.

In this way I believe science is being used to search for things that no one is really sure exist at all. It may not be supernatural, but other life on other planets could prove to be simply &quot;fantasy&quot;---I hope not----and I don&#039;t believe that---but if we don&#039;t use science to explore for things that may just be fantasy, we will never know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we were discussing, one cannot use science to prove the supernatural. However, one also does not use science very often to prove something doesn&#8217;t exist either.  Imagine if the Mars mission people said &#8220;We are sending the probe to Mars to garner more information to prove life on other planets doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221;.</p>
<p>The probe may prove life never existed on Mars, but the probe was not sent to prove that&#8212;&#8211;on the contrary&#8212;scientists hope that life is found on Mars, and &#8220;hope&#8221; that life exists elsewhere in the Universe. They are unsure if it does&#8212;there are no &#8220;facts&#8221; to prove life does exist elsewhere&#8212;-but that doesn&#8217;t stop them from making attempts to &#8220;discover&#8221; that life.  </p>
<p>So, I must say, when I hear others trying to use science to try to &#8220;prove&#8221; there is no God, I question their scientific motives. No astronomer works from a negative perspective of trying to prove that space does not hold other life&#8211;I&#8217;m sure there are a &#8220;few&#8221; that come from that perspective, but I think the majority come from the perspective that the &#8220;odds&#8221; would seem to point to other life elsewhere&#8212;even though they cannot prove it&#8212;-but they are willing to spend millions of dollars to see if they can find it.</p>
<p>In this way I believe science is being used to search for things that no one is really sure exist at all. It may not be supernatural, but other life on other planets could prove to be simply &#8220;fantasy&#8221;&#8212;I hope not&#8212;-and I don&#8217;t believe that&#8212;but if we don&#8217;t use science to explore for things that may just be fantasy, we will never know.</p>
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		<title>By: TheNerd</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/22/scientific-method-vs-creationist-method/#comment-20912</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;&quot;&gt; Long Do, I would love to interact with each point that you made, but in all honesty, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I don’t mean that as an ad hominem attack - I mean that with sincerity. You need to educate yourself. &lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Ditto.  Your heart is in the right place, but your brain isn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite=""><p> Long Do, I would love to interact with each point that you made, but in all honesty, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I don’t mean that as an ad hominem attack &#8211; I mean that with sincerity. You need to educate yourself. </p></blockquote>
<p>Ditto.  Your heart is in the right place, but your brain isn&#8217;t.</p>
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