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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-38152</link>
		<dc:creator>LeoPardus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rc:

There is a HUGE problem with your answer. Read you bible and you&#039;ll see what it is.</description>
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<p>There is a HUGE problem with your answer. Read you bible and you&#8217;ll see what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Rc</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-38146</link>
		<dc:creator>Rc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen&quot;.  If your faith is dependent on the outward manifestation
of prayers answered, then your faith is defective in the first place.
If you need a sign or things to workout the way you want them to,
then God becomes your fetching boy exisiting to grant your every wish.  If you want a clinic in this subject please read the Book of Job.  If I&#039;m wrong, I have nothing to lose.  If you are wrong, you will lose everything.  God loves you!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen&#8221;.  If your faith is dependent on the outward manifestation<br />
of prayers answered, then your faith is defective in the first place.<br />
If you need a sign or things to workout the way you want them to,<br />
then God becomes your fetching boy exisiting to grant your every wish.  If you want a clinic in this subject please read the Book of Job.  If I&#8217;m wrong, I have nothing to lose.  If you are wrong, you will lose everything.  God loves you!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-34568</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paleale,

Just like one of the other&#039;s who responded, I am not a good example of a christian. I may not be, however no christian becomes like Jesus or God, so what really is a christian other than one trying. Here is a so called backslide if you want to call it that, WOW your intelligent. God is in all and sees all, and chooses whatever it is that he wants to in order to lead his children, that is all. That being said I will do this brain trust a favor and unsubscribe, seeing that I forgot to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paleale,</p>
<p>Just like one of the other&#8217;s who responded, I am not a good example of a christian. I may not be, however no christian becomes like Jesus or God, so what really is a christian other than one trying. Here is a so called backslide if you want to call it that, WOW your intelligent. God is in all and sees all, and chooses whatever it is that he wants to in order to lead his children, that is all. That being said I will do this brain trust a favor and unsubscribe, seeing that I forgot to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: paleale</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-34561</link>
		<dc:creator>paleale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; Please do not respond &lt;/i&gt;

Love it.  If he doesn&#039;t want a response all he has to do is not come back... That is, unless it&#039;s the Lord&#039;s will to guide him back.  &quot;The Lord&quot; being Google, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Please do not respond </i></p>
<p>Love it.  If he doesn&#8217;t want a response all he has to do is not come back&#8230; That is, unless it&#8217;s the Lord&#8217;s will to guide him back.  &#8220;The Lord&#8221; being Google, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-34548</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all of you,

Science is always changing, what we thought was becomes something else later. The day will come to see what the truth is or is not. I pray that what I believe will be true for you on that day. You see I believe all get one last chance at death, when the crossover happens, to accept God. So hopefully with that said I will meet you all on the otherside. I have heard and seen data from many different scientist over my 37 years of life and seen many different conclusions. Just as you say your science publication is better than another publication, the truth it&#039;s entirely up to the indivisual. So, please know that I really meant no disrespect and this is it no more entries. Please do not respond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of you,</p>
<p>Science is always changing, what we thought was becomes something else later. The day will come to see what the truth is or is not. I pray that what I believe will be true for you on that day. You see I believe all get one last chance at death, when the crossover happens, to accept God. So hopefully with that said I will meet you all on the otherside. I have heard and seen data from many different scientist over my 37 years of life and seen many different conclusions. Just as you say your science publication is better than another publication, the truth it&#8217;s entirely up to the indivisual. So, please know that I really meant no disrespect and this is it no more entries. Please do not respond.</p>
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		<title>By: orDover</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-34547</link>
		<dc:creator>orDover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What peer publication do you need, one you believe to be credible or one that I believe?&lt;/i&gt;

One that I and the scientific community find credible. Science isn&#039;t a matter of belief. 

&lt;i&gt;I hear” you have to prove it”, however I don’t see how you have proven God doesn’t exist.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not my job. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You are the one making the claim, &quot;God exists,&quot; and thus you are the one that has to provide the evidence. It is next to impossible to prove a negative, to prove that something does not exist. That isn&#039;t how logic works. 

&lt;i&gt;You believe that there are ways to get sick from things you can’t see, without a microscope.&lt;/i&gt;

As soon as they invent a godoscope, this analogy will be relevant. 

&lt;i&gt;All of what you say takes faith, whether it is if you came from nothing and will return to nothing or God.&lt;/i&gt;

Wrong. I don&#039;t have faith that I &quot;came from nothing,&quot; and it doesn&#039;t take faith to accept a scientific theory with mountains of evidence that proves it. Faith is believing without seeing. I don&#039;t do that with anything. I require evidence, and a lot of it.

&lt;i&gt;The fact is you were created, no theory has proven otherwise.&lt;/i&gt;

Prove this fact. Again, you can&#039;t prove a negative. It&#039;s basic logic. It&#039;s your job to prove that I&#039;m created, not my job to prove that I&#039;m not. So far you&#039;ve shown no evidence.

&lt;i&gt;If you have so much faith in not seeing that none of what athiest have said ever has been proven, then you will never believe in God.

This sentence is convoluted. I only wanted to point out that I have already believed in God, so you can&#039;t say &quot;never.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;I suppose that history books like the bible, Egypts history, Italian history, Greecian history, and various other groups through out the middle east who all have writting s about Jesus and his miracles, they aren’t enogh proof.&lt;/i&gt;

Right. Because only one of those things actually contains information about Jesus&#039; miracles, and it happens to be the same thing that wants to convince me to believe.

&lt;i&gt;The reason other’s testimony is not good enough for you is that you have to see it and touch it for yourself.&lt;/i&gt;

No, I just need credible evidence. Personal testimony isn&#039;t credible. I don&#039;t accept personal anecdotes when it comes to religion or the latest diet craze or the health crap peddled on Oprah. 

&lt;i&gt;God did enogh through time to prove he existed as well,&lt;/i&gt;

No he didn&#039;t, and that&#039;s the problem.

&lt;i&gt; if you believed then alls you have to do is look at your cell phone to see God exist.&lt;/i&gt;

How does a cell phone prove God?

&lt;i&gt;You said that you have been to many [churches],&lt;/i&gt;

No I didn&#039;t. 

&lt;i&gt; but you have not been to the right one.&lt;/i&gt;

How do you know that, when I never mentioned what church(s) I have attended? I could have gone to the same church as you.

And anyway, isn&#039;t this convenient illogic? Google the &quot;no true Scotsman&quot; logical fallacy.

&lt;i&gt;Why would you say I have to prove something when you don’t? &lt;/i&gt;

Because those are the rules for basic logic. Let&#039;s say that I claim there is a china teapot orbiting Saturn. Is it my job to prove that it exists, or your job to prove that it doesn&#039;t? Are you going to believe my claim, or make me prove it? 

&lt;i&gt;I would rather believe in witness testimony, than something that is made up and for such a short time.&lt;/i&gt;

Then you, sir, are a sucker. You know nothing about the human mind, the unreliability of memory, or the operations of cognitive biases. You also know nothing about the proofs of evolution. Interestingly, I wonder, do you &quot;believe&quot; in Einstein&#039;s theory of general relativity? I bet you do. Think about it for a second. Do you know why I&#039;m asking? Because it&#039;s only been around for 70 years or so. Do you &quot;believe&quot; in the theory of electricity or electromagnetism? That&#039;s been around for less time than the theory of evolution.

&lt;i&gt;If you and anyone else got anything else out of it, then you were at the wrong church. Better yet, you did not read the Bible with love and respect for your creator to learn. You probably read it to try to make it irrelevant, no wonder you did not receive the blessings of the spirit, you never ever believed in&lt;/i&gt;

Wow. What incredible arrogance you are displaying. How can you possibly know that we did not read the Bible with love and respect? How can you claim to know our motivations? It&#039;s so insulting.

I spent my entire life reading the Bible with love and respect. It brought me to tears. The stories moved me and spoke to my heart. But stories weren&#039;t enough, in the long run, to sustain believe in a God who goes without evidence. 

&lt;i&gt;Again you do not have to respond and if you do I will, especially if your going to insult and use lies to provocate. &lt;/i&gt;

You are the one who is being insulting, by claiming to have such superior knowledge regarding our inner spiritual lives. As a Christian, attempting to display the love of Christ, shouldn&#039;t you address us with kindness and understanding, not haughty self-righteousness? You are not being a good example, not a good witness at all. And just out of curiosity, what lies have we used?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What peer publication do you need, one you believe to be credible or one that I believe?</i></p>
<p>One that I and the scientific community find credible. Science isn&#8217;t a matter of belief. </p>
<p><i>I hear” you have to prove it”, however I don’t see how you have proven God doesn’t exist.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not my job. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim. You are the one making the claim, &#8220;God exists,&#8221; and thus you are the one that has to provide the evidence. It is next to impossible to prove a negative, to prove that something does not exist. That isn&#8217;t how logic works. </p>
<p><i>You believe that there are ways to get sick from things you can’t see, without a microscope.</i></p>
<p>As soon as they invent a godoscope, this analogy will be relevant. </p>
<p><i>All of what you say takes faith, whether it is if you came from nothing and will return to nothing or God.</i></p>
<p>Wrong. I don&#8217;t have faith that I &#8220;came from nothing,&#8221; and it doesn&#8217;t take faith to accept a scientific theory with mountains of evidence that proves it. Faith is believing without seeing. I don&#8217;t do that with anything. I require evidence, and a lot of it.</p>
<p><i>The fact is you were created, no theory has proven otherwise.</i></p>
<p>Prove this fact. Again, you can&#8217;t prove a negative. It&#8217;s basic logic. It&#8217;s your job to prove that I&#8217;m created, not my job to prove that I&#8217;m not. So far you&#8217;ve shown no evidence.</p>
<p><i>If you have so much faith in not seeing that none of what athiest have said ever has been proven, then you will never believe in God.</p>
<p>This sentence is convoluted. I only wanted to point out that I have already believed in God, so you can&#8217;t say &#8220;never.&#8221;</p>
<p></i><i>I suppose that history books like the bible, Egypts history, Italian history, Greecian history, and various other groups through out the middle east who all have writting s about Jesus and his miracles, they aren’t enogh proof.</i></p>
<p>Right. Because only one of those things actually contains information about Jesus&#8217; miracles, and it happens to be the same thing that wants to convince me to believe.</p>
<p><i>The reason other’s testimony is not good enough for you is that you have to see it and touch it for yourself.</i></p>
<p>No, I just need credible evidence. Personal testimony isn&#8217;t credible. I don&#8217;t accept personal anecdotes when it comes to religion or the latest diet craze or the health crap peddled on Oprah. </p>
<p><i>God did enogh through time to prove he existed as well,</i></p>
<p>No he didn&#8217;t, and that&#8217;s the problem.</p>
<p><i> if you believed then alls you have to do is look at your cell phone to see God exist.</i></p>
<p>How does a cell phone prove God?</p>
<p><i>You said that you have been to many [churches],</i></p>
<p>No I didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p><i> but you have not been to the right one.</i></p>
<p>How do you know that, when I never mentioned what church(s) I have attended? I could have gone to the same church as you.</p>
<p>And anyway, isn&#8217;t this convenient illogic? Google the &#8220;no true Scotsman&#8221; logical fallacy.</p>
<p><i>Why would you say I have to prove something when you don’t? </i></p>
<p>Because those are the rules for basic logic. Let&#8217;s say that I claim there is a china teapot orbiting Saturn. Is it my job to prove that it exists, or your job to prove that it doesn&#8217;t? Are you going to believe my claim, or make me prove it? </p>
<p><i>I would rather believe in witness testimony, than something that is made up and for such a short time.</i></p>
<p>Then you, sir, are a sucker. You know nothing about the human mind, the unreliability of memory, or the operations of cognitive biases. You also know nothing about the proofs of evolution. Interestingly, I wonder, do you &#8220;believe&#8221; in Einstein&#8217;s theory of general relativity? I bet you do. Think about it for a second. Do you know why I&#8217;m asking? Because it&#8217;s only been around for 70 years or so. Do you &#8220;believe&#8221; in the theory of electricity or electromagnetism? That&#8217;s been around for less time than the theory of evolution.</p>
<p><i>If you and anyone else got anything else out of it, then you were at the wrong church. Better yet, you did not read the Bible with love and respect for your creator to learn. You probably read it to try to make it irrelevant, no wonder you did not receive the blessings of the spirit, you never ever believed in</i></p>
<p>Wow. What incredible arrogance you are displaying. How can you possibly know that we did not read the Bible with love and respect? How can you claim to know our motivations? It&#8217;s so insulting.</p>
<p>I spent my entire life reading the Bible with love and respect. It brought me to tears. The stories moved me and spoke to my heart. But stories weren&#8217;t enough, in the long run, to sustain believe in a God who goes without evidence. </p>
<p><i>Again you do not have to respond and if you do I will, especially if your going to insult and use lies to provocate. </i></p>
<p>You are the one who is being insulting, by claiming to have such superior knowledge regarding our inner spiritual lives. As a Christian, attempting to display the love of Christ, shouldn&#8217;t you address us with kindness and understanding, not haughty self-righteousness? You are not being a good example, not a good witness at all. And just out of curiosity, what lies have we used?</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubi Dubium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; here to preach.  You seem to assume that we have not heard everything you are saying already.  We have heard it all, and way too many times. Many of the people here are ex-evangelicals, ex-preachers.  They used to be just like you are now.  If hearing that stuff was going to &quot;save&quot; any of us, it would have done it a long time ago.  Please preach somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you <i>are</i> here to preach.  You seem to assume that we have not heard everything you are saying already.  We have heard it all, and way too many times. Many of the people here are ex-evangelicals, ex-preachers.  They used to be just like you are now.  If hearing that stuff was going to &#8220;save&#8221; any of us, it would have done it a long time ago.  Please preach somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ubi Dubium and others, 

It is only up to you to bury your heads in the sand. I was wanting to seek God&#039;s will the other morning and was lead to your blog. What I read from most of you was like hearing directly from God, &quot; save them all&quot;. You do not have to respond, none of you. As far as researching and science, it looks like you have the missing pieces Ubi, if that is your real name. If your so educated and aware, then why do you not know that most of the truly successful scientist that have made true advances in life for us all were and are Christian/judeo believers. Brainwashed seems to be the popular thing to say for you guys,the fact is you seem to be the ones that are brainwashed. I have seen all you have to offer, read all you have to offer, tested as a scientist would and found lies and manipulation. The church is not the way, it is suppose to be a place to fellowship and testify about God and Jesus. If you and anyone else got anything else out of it, then you were at the wrong church. Better yet, you did not read the Bible with love and respect for your creator to learn. You probably read it to try to make it irrelevant, no wonder you did not receive the blessings of the spirit, you never ever believed in it. Again you do not have to respond and if you do I will, especially if your going to insult and use lies to provocate. Peace and love be with you, only respect and thruth that I wish to relay.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ubi Dubium and others, </p>
<p>It is only up to you to bury your heads in the sand. I was wanting to seek God&#8217;s will the other morning and was lead to your blog. What I read from most of you was like hearing directly from God, &#8221; save them all&#8221;. You do not have to respond, none of you. As far as researching and science, it looks like you have the missing pieces Ubi, if that is your real name. If your so educated and aware, then why do you not know that most of the truly successful scientist that have made true advances in life for us all were and are Christian/judeo believers. Brainwashed seems to be the popular thing to say for you guys,the fact is you seem to be the ones that are brainwashed. I have seen all you have to offer, read all you have to offer, tested as a scientist would and found lies and manipulation. The church is not the way, it is suppose to be a place to fellowship and testify about God and Jesus. If you and anyone else got anything else out of it, then you were at the wrong church. Better yet, you did not read the Bible with love and respect for your creator to learn. You probably read it to try to make it irrelevant, no wonder you did not receive the blessings of the spirit, you never ever believed in it. Again you do not have to respond and if you do I will, especially if your going to insult and use lies to provocate. Peace and love be with you, only respect and thruth that I wish to relay.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ubi Dubium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Dan.  You have bought everything the church has taught you, without questioning anything.  Sounds like you have never cracked a science book or talked to an actual scientist, or thought anything out for yourself.

This website is here to support those who aren&#039;t buying it anymore.  So what are you doing here?  If you want to evangelize, please do it elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Dan.  You have bought everything the church has taught you, without questioning anything.  Sounds like you have never cracked a science book or talked to an actual scientist, or thought anything out for yourself.</p>
<p>This website is here to support those who aren&#8217;t buying it anymore.  So what are you doing here?  If you want to evangelize, please do it elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/06/29/why-d-c-7-where-are-you-jesus/#comment-34535</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know orDover it&#039;s nice to here that your willing to discuss this, however I didn&#039;t hear alot of want to hear what I have to say. Well here it goes, the fact is that scientist has proven biomachines exist,  that cannot be proven by evolution, they are by the way still trying to fit it in thier theory. What peer publication do you need, one you believe to be credible or one that I believe? Google or Yahoo evolution and biomachines, it&#039;s there, I know you will have to say you don&#039;t see it or can&#039;t touch them. But, before I go to far with you, I heard alot of defense from you, are you the type that really knows what they are talking about or someone who get&#039;s some of the infromation and runs with it. I hear&quot; you have to prove it&quot;, however I don&#039;t see how you have proven God doesn&#039;t exist. You believe that there are ways to get sick from things you can&#039;t see, without a microscope. All of what you say takes faith, whether it is if you came from nothing and will return to nothing or God. The fact is you were created, no theory has proven otherwise. If you have so much faith in not seeing that  none of what athiest have said ever has been proven, then you will never believe in God. I suppose that history books like the bible, Egypts history, Italian history, Greecian history, and various other groups through out the middle east who all have writting s about Jesus and his miracles, they aren&#039;t enogh proof. The reason other&#039;s testimony is not good enough for you is that you have to see it and touch it for yourself. God did enogh through time to prove he existed as well, if you believed then alls you have to do is look at your cell phone to see God exist. Before Jesus came no one nation could ever rule, another always for several thousand years came up and took over through slaughter. I took about 1900 years for us to get it and now we are regressing, probable due to unethical churches that give all the rest a bad face. You said that you have been to many, but you have not been to the right one. Yes if Jesus did not come to say love and not anger is the way, we would still be closer to the bronze age than we are today. But, as you proved in your position I would have to prove it, well it is all around you. You are the one that has to prove what has been since the begining, not me. You act like what you think is all and has always been. Do I have to remind you even disease was considered demons and evil spirits? Why would you say I have to prove something when you don&#039;t? The fact is that life is hard, and God created you to graow and live a natural life. But, unfortunately some get so consumed with proof they make up thier own and need to believe so badly they make thier own reality( yes I am refering to lie). I have 4k-6k years of written history, you have around 200 years of a theory, which uses faked pictures and unproven theories making up one big theory. I would rather believe in witness testimony, than something that is made up and for such a short time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know orDover it&#8217;s nice to here that your willing to discuss this, however I didn&#8217;t hear alot of want to hear what I have to say. Well here it goes, the fact is that scientist has proven biomachines exist,  that cannot be proven by evolution, they are by the way still trying to fit it in thier theory. What peer publication do you need, one you believe to be credible or one that I believe? Google or Yahoo evolution and biomachines, it&#8217;s there, I know you will have to say you don&#8217;t see it or can&#8217;t touch them. But, before I go to far with you, I heard alot of defense from you, are you the type that really knows what they are talking about or someone who get&#8217;s some of the infromation and runs with it. I hear&#8221; you have to prove it&#8221;, however I don&#8217;t see how you have proven God doesn&#8217;t exist. You believe that there are ways to get sick from things you can&#8217;t see, without a microscope. All of what you say takes faith, whether it is if you came from nothing and will return to nothing or God. The fact is you were created, no theory has proven otherwise. If you have so much faith in not seeing that  none of what athiest have said ever has been proven, then you will never believe in God. I suppose that history books like the bible, Egypts history, Italian history, Greecian history, and various other groups through out the middle east who all have writting s about Jesus and his miracles, they aren&#8217;t enogh proof. The reason other&#8217;s testimony is not good enough for you is that you have to see it and touch it for yourself. God did enogh through time to prove he existed as well, if you believed then alls you have to do is look at your cell phone to see God exist. Before Jesus came no one nation could ever rule, another always for several thousand years came up and took over through slaughter. I took about 1900 years for us to get it and now we are regressing, probable due to unethical churches that give all the rest a bad face. You said that you have been to many, but you have not been to the right one. Yes if Jesus did not come to say love and not anger is the way, we would still be closer to the bronze age than we are today. But, as you proved in your position I would have to prove it, well it is all around you. You are the one that has to prove what has been since the begining, not me. You act like what you think is all and has always been. Do I have to remind you even disease was considered demons and evil spirits? Why would you say I have to prove something when you don&#8217;t? The fact is that life is hard, and God created you to graow and live a natural life. But, unfortunately some get so consumed with proof they make up thier own and need to believe so badly they make thier own reality( yes I am refering to lie). I have 4k-6k years of written history, you have around 200 years of a theory, which uses faked pictures and unproven theories making up one big theory. I would rather believe in witness testimony, than something that is made up and for such a short time.</p>
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