Comments on: The question of suffering and my de-conversion http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/ Resources for skeptical, de-converting, or former Christians...... Thu, 23 May 2013 22:24:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Quester http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-26602 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:01:12 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-26602 Sorry, I expected 54 to follow immediately after 52. It makes (slightly) more sense that way.

]]> By: Quester http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-26601 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:58:36 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-26601 … Dairy Queen?

(They treat you right!)

]]> By: silentj http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-26600 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:57:00 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-26600 This is more of a point for another thread, but in response to Randall:

Note the final argument based on fear.

Randall, I think most decons see the “great gift” as a literary trope more than a true gift. However, even if one assumes that Jesus is real and washed away our sins, one has to remember that the only reason we need our sins washed is because God created the apple tree with the knowledge that we would eat from it. If you read the Bible literally, the “great gift” is the cosmic equivalent of saying “uncle.”

If you don’t take the Bible literally, then Christ’s crucifixion makes no sense.

]]> By: Randolph Taylor http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-26598 Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:18:43 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-26598 You obviously didnt realize what great gift Jesus gave you. You are just crucifying Him all over again. Being a Christian isnt just a another old religion. It’s a relationship with Jesus. The man that died for you and loves you. I admit some people and some churches are very judgemental, but Jeus loves you with or without your punk style. All I’m saying is think about what you’re giving up. Look at it this way. Right now you’re headed to a place of total destruction. Think about where you could be headed…

]]> By: The Apostate http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24700 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:05:31 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24700 Wendy, please read this and this before giving a hypocritical lecture. Oh, and give this a read too.

Furthermore, if you are going to make an accusation of any type, be sure to base it on something somebody actually said so they can defend themselves. But judging from your comment, you lack any empathy, understanding, or care for anyone but yourself.

[This is my last and only response to Troll Wendy]

]]> By: wendy http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24699 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:44:22 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24699 The more i read of this “blog”, the excuses, the self-centered observations most formed while sitting in a church watching and questioning the “faith” of others, the works of others….. the music played; missing the point. Christ died for our sins, sent thru God to experience man’s plight, to understand why we live the way we live…. it’s not about the person who drives the BMW, who gossips out of one side of his mouth and praises God out of the other…. its about the heart of Jesus Christ and what He did for us.
Faith is not about following a man (those around us…. because you will loose your faith in a heartbeat!! – If you invest your faith in a man) we are imperfect, contradicting, condescending and evil at times, and at other times we are compasionate and loving…….God is not fickle.. His love is always the same. The heart for the homeless and wronged is something God gave you, whether you believe it or not. We all have free will to live the way we want. Its your choice its my choice. I was, and still am, a girl with old jeans, vans and a tore up t-shirt…. i am rebellious love all kinds of punk, (black flag and suicidal tendencies) rock and Christian music………. but my heart and soul belong to Jesus Christ…. I am not evangelical unless the “spirit” moves me, but my call is for the homeless, down-trodden and abused. To give without question of faith, or heart, but to be there when the questions come. As you grow in this life, you will see that. The energy that has come from being liberated from Christ, is a head-trip that has transformed your life and decisions in a direction that will bring you emptiness. But once you have known Christ, and the more you deny Him; the more you will be finding Him more and more as you go thru this life, He will not abandon you. We have the ability to rationalize, read books, hear speakers, and balk at everything someone tells us about Christ…. but in the end its all about Faith.
P.S. My childhood was spent sitting in a Catholic Church, figity, tired of the repetition, watching other people …. which sometimes led me to loose focus on the “the Who, What, Where and Why”, which is Faith in Jesus Christ!

]]> By: LeoPardus http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24125 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:09:10 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24125 At least this is one place where the Orthodox (and Anglicans) often stand out. They’ve got a lot of really great music. Admittedly there’s some crappy Orthodox music, but much of it is great. It’s one of the things we liked when we got to the EOC

]]> By: Ubi Dubium http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24122 Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:44:17 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24122

I grew up singing all the lame-ass church songs

Me too. Actually singing was the best part of worship services for me, even though the songs were indeed “lame-ass”. I would sit through all the boring parts, waiting for when we could sing some more. I sang with every kiddie-choir, and youth choir my church had. I taught bible-school music one summer, and joind the regular church choir as soon as I was old enough. I was a soloist even.

Turns out, it was just singing I liked. Once I realized that most of the positive associations I had with church were related to music, it was easier to dump the rest. I still sing, but it will never again be with a church choir. (Never ever.)

]]> By: SnugglyBuffalo http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24101 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:48:31 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24101

I hated those. For a long time I just came to church half an hour late to miss the songs.

Oh man, I remember catching flack from my mom as a kid for not getting into the worship music before the sermon, as if singing “praise and worship” songs was the only way to praise and worship God.

]]> By: LeoPardus http://de-conversion.com/2008/07/27/the-question-of-suffering-and-my-de-conversion/#comment-24100 Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:38:34 +0000 http://agnosticatheism.wordpress.com/?p=1291#comment-24100 Marie:

Good stuff. There were just so many points on which I really clicked.

I grew up singing all the lame-ass church songs

I hated those. For a long time I just came to church half an hour late to miss the songs.

the discrepancies between a “Good God” and a “Bad World” became more than just fodder for a 3-part sermon series,…… not wasting my time reading Christian self-help books trying to improve my prayer life all the while innocent human beings suffer and die

AMEN! If ever there was a ringing condemnation of Christianity, it’s a simple look at where they invest their time and money.

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