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		<title>By: bert10</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53067</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[325. T.O.T3n1

Neither do I hold your belief against you..I know that God treat each one of us according to how best we can receive things. The amount of truth that God gives to each of us is exactly how Isaiah said it would be...a little here and a little there, precepts upon precepts etc. I only mentioned the vision of Stephen and that of David to show that the Father and the Son are two beings. Yet it does not stop them from being ONE neither does it stop us from Abiding in them and they in us.It is a bit confusing as Jesus at times can speak and act as though He were the Father.

Viewing the beliefs of others and religions from outside is not the best way to view things. It leads to forming judgments based on our own sense of good and evil..

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>325. T.O.T3n1</p>
<p>Neither do I hold your belief against you..I know that God treat each one of us according to how best we can receive things. The amount of truth that God gives to each of us is exactly how Isaiah said it would be&#8230;a little here and a little there, precepts upon precepts etc. I only mentioned the vision of Stephen and that of David to show that the Father and the Son are two beings. Yet it does not stop them from being ONE neither does it stop us from Abiding in them and they in us.It is a bit confusing as Jesus at times can speak and act as though He were the Father.</p>
<p>Viewing the beliefs of others and religions from outside is not the best way to view things. It leads to forming judgments based on our own sense of good and evil..</p>
<p>bert10</p>
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		<title>By: Alban</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53054</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 23:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting reading. Seems obvious that we all are searching for answers - looking perhaps to have life&#039;s greatest question answered 

Offering up suggestions to possibly reframe some assumptions that get in the way of knowing what may be Divine. What is the one element we all have in common, irrespective of beliefs?

Given that being alive is obvious, what pushes us to assume that the possible ultimate answer in knowing God begins in complication? As we rationalize our existence we overlook our base simplicity...See how quickly that happened - did you see it? Almost like slight of hand.The slippery edge of our pre-occupation with right and wrong obliviates that simple opening, immediately thrusting us into explanation.

Life is the common denominator of all life. More than glossing it over or giving it lip service or theorizing it, consider the unimagineable size of it. Is there any place that it is not?

Sooo, what about within us? Immediately before the slippery slope there&#039;s an entrance to the within, like a door. Historically speaking  Jesus, The mission - his highest priority..was to let people know there was access and then if they could be prepared to accept, be SHOWN the inner sanctum.

Preparation was like the proverbial peeling of an onion.Much more about the intimacy with life than how to live it externally, though the analogies had to have been in that terminology as vocabulary is itself limited on this subject. The fine art of listening was key.

Brain power, the ability to understand in that setting was enhanced by an awareness of something akin to feeling, not emotional, but inexplicably available.

There is another simple premise. We want to be happy as individuals but fail to tie the element of simplicity to that basic wish as we fail to see the life connection within we each have.

Summarizing, we all share a very large element that gives us presence on this stage. Most share the desire to be happy and each of us has access to that specific knowing. The question then becomes is it the labels, the credentials, and the rationialization of thinking or believing we know God that accurately enable us to discover our answer..or is there a component missing that our complication makes us overlook?

The complication which has been handed down by our upline is a breeding ground for church founders. Missing component ethereally mysteriously vanished. Repackaged, &#039;sold&#039; and mass produced. Believe it or not that process is easier (path of least resistence) than staying on point..you know, the one about the camel and the eye of the needle.

Are we gonna read, believe, hypothesize and debate our way thru this human dilemma guided by innaccurate assumptions of an invisible God or can we differentiate a simple possibility from the complicated one? Maybe one where vocabulary takes a backseat to  connecting within ourselves allowing each to have an accurate vantage point... being careful not to say or mean &#039;correct&#039; vantage point.

There is a silence that exceeds our noise. And you don&#039;t need to be deserving to be aware of it, nor neccessarily have to believe in it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading. Seems obvious that we all are searching for answers &#8211; looking perhaps to have life&#8217;s greatest question answered </p>
<p>Offering up suggestions to possibly reframe some assumptions that get in the way of knowing what may be Divine. What is the one element we all have in common, irrespective of beliefs?</p>
<p>Given that being alive is obvious, what pushes us to assume that the possible ultimate answer in knowing God begins in complication? As we rationalize our existence we overlook our base simplicity&#8230;See how quickly that happened &#8211; did you see it? Almost like slight of hand.The slippery edge of our pre-occupation with right and wrong obliviates that simple opening, immediately thrusting us into explanation.</p>
<p>Life is the common denominator of all life. More than glossing it over or giving it lip service or theorizing it, consider the unimagineable size of it. Is there any place that it is not?</p>
<p>Sooo, what about within us? Immediately before the slippery slope there&#8217;s an entrance to the within, like a door. Historically speaking  Jesus, The mission &#8211; his highest priority..was to let people know there was access and then if they could be prepared to accept, be SHOWN the inner sanctum.</p>
<p>Preparation was like the proverbial peeling of an onion.Much more about the intimacy with life than how to live it externally, though the analogies had to have been in that terminology as vocabulary is itself limited on this subject. The fine art of listening was key.</p>
<p>Brain power, the ability to understand in that setting was enhanced by an awareness of something akin to feeling, not emotional, but inexplicably available.</p>
<p>There is another simple premise. We want to be happy as individuals but fail to tie the element of simplicity to that basic wish as we fail to see the life connection within we each have.</p>
<p>Summarizing, we all share a very large element that gives us presence on this stage. Most share the desire to be happy and each of us has access to that specific knowing. The question then becomes is it the labels, the credentials, and the rationialization of thinking or believing we know God that accurately enable us to discover our answer..or is there a component missing that our complication makes us overlook?</p>
<p>The complication which has been handed down by our upline is a breeding ground for church founders. Missing component ethereally mysteriously vanished. Repackaged, &#8216;sold&#8217; and mass produced. Believe it or not that process is easier (path of least resistence) than staying on point..you know, the one about the camel and the eye of the needle.</p>
<p>Are we gonna read, believe, hypothesize and debate our way thru this human dilemma guided by innaccurate assumptions of an invisible God or can we differentiate a simple possibility from the complicated one? Maybe one where vocabulary takes a backseat to  connecting within ourselves allowing each to have an accurate vantage point&#8230; being careful not to say or mean &#8216;correct&#8217; vantage point.</p>
<p>There is a silence that exceeds our noise. And you don&#8217;t need to be deserving to be aware of it, nor neccessarily have to believe in it!</p>
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		<title>By: T.O.T3n1</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53048</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.O.T3n1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ubi: If I may. Im only stating what God has revealed to me and what I believe. As for Mike, hopefully he finds what he is looking for. Now to Bert10: Im sorry for my behavior thus far. I should not hold your beliefs against you. Im not being a good Christian by bashing you, forgive me. Joseph Smith may have been a bad guy but we as people are not allowing you and other LDS faithful to show us that your changing what he did and are following a different path. A path of kindness and other moral values that other Christians dont show. So may the peace of the Lord be with you and your family.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ubi: If I may. Im only stating what God has revealed to me and what I believe. As for Mike, hopefully he finds what he is looking for. Now to Bert10: Im sorry for my behavior thus far. I should not hold your beliefs against you. Im not being a good Christian by bashing you, forgive me. Joseph Smith may have been a bad guy but we as people are not allowing you and other LDS faithful to show us that your changing what he did and are following a different path. A path of kindness and other moral values that other Christians dont show. So may the peace of the Lord be with you and your family.</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 18:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[T.O., you said &quot;I never claimed to have the right answers.&quot;  I do think you did just that, above.  Earlier you made all sorts of assertions about jesus and god, and how people have souls that need saving, and and how everybody should believe this.  That sounds like you claim you have the right answers about religion.  Bert also thinks he has the right answers about religion.  My Muslim friends and my Jewish friends also think they have the right answers about religion. The problem is that you all disagree with each other about what god wants.

But thank you for your kind words to Michael.  Many people who admit to having doubts, or being dissatisfied with the answers they get from organized religion find themselves attacked and shunned. In their churches, in their families, and online as well.  Many de-converts are told that they are &quot;backsliding&quot;, &quot;angry at god&quot;, &quot;just want to sin&quot; or &quot;have been seduced by the devil&quot;.  Many churches make it very hard to admit to anything less than complete belief in their dogma.  It&#039;s nice to see a believer encouraging someone to search for their own answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.O., you said &#8220;I never claimed to have the right answers.&#8221;  I do think you did just that, above.  Earlier you made all sorts of assertions about jesus and god, and how people have souls that need saving, and and how everybody should believe this.  That sounds like you claim you have the right answers about religion.  Bert also thinks he has the right answers about religion.  My Muslim friends and my Jewish friends also think they have the right answers about religion. The problem is that you all disagree with each other about what god wants.</p>
<p>But thank you for your kind words to Michael.  Many people who admit to having doubts, or being dissatisfied with the answers they get from organized religion find themselves attacked and shunned. In their churches, in their families, and online as well.  Many de-converts are told that they are &#8220;backsliding&#8221;, &#8220;angry at god&#8221;, &#8220;just want to sin&#8221; or &#8220;have been seduced by the devil&#8221;.  Many churches make it very hard to admit to anything less than complete belief in their dogma.  It&#8217;s nice to see a believer encouraging someone to search for their own answers.</p>
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		<title>By: bert10</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53024</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[319. T.O.T3n1 

the Vision of J. Smith is in 100% line what Stephen testified to before dying and what Jesus said...in both reports it is stated that the Son and the Father are two different beings. The mystery of Oneness was reserved unto whom Paul said....&quot;Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect etc. This wisdom what was spoken orally to them that were perfect was not the wisdom of this world. In the definition of what is life Eternal in the NT...says..that one must know that the title of ONE TRUE GOD belongs to the Father...and we are to know that it was He that sent His Son Jesus Christ to us.

bert10]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>319. T.O.T3n1 </p>
<p>the Vision of J. Smith is in 100% line what Stephen testified to before dying and what Jesus said&#8230;in both reports it is stated that the Son and the Father are two different beings. The mystery of Oneness was reserved unto whom Paul said&#8230;.&#8221;Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect etc. This wisdom what was spoken orally to them that were perfect was not the wisdom of this world. In the definition of what is life Eternal in the NT&#8230;says..that one must know that the title of ONE TRUE GOD belongs to the Father&#8230;and we are to know that it was He that sent His Son Jesus Christ to us.</p>
<p>bert10</p>
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		<title>By: T.O.T3n1</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.O.T3n1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ubi: I never claimed to have the right answers. And for the mysteries, we dont know. Thats the truth. We are human, and humans will make their own laws and rules to govern men. But when you follow what Christ left us with, and only what He left us with, then its okay. I dont even believe everything my church says, only what God says. Im sorry you do not have faith in God or believe in Him. Its your choice and I respect your opinions and beliefs. @Mike: Do what your heart tells you to do, regardless of what we say here. Good luck in your search and may God guide you on the correct path.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ubi: I never claimed to have the right answers. And for the mysteries, we dont know. Thats the truth. We are human, and humans will make their own laws and rules to govern men. But when you follow what Christ left us with, and only what He left us with, then its okay. I dont even believe everything my church says, only what God says. Im sorry you do not have faith in God or believe in Him. Its your choice and I respect your opinions and beliefs. @Mike: Do what your heart tells you to do, regardless of what we say here. Good luck in your search and may God guide you on the correct path.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53011</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Ubi, and before I go, Your quite right, The savior would never leave us. Take care,  Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ubi, and before I go, Your quite right, The savior would never leave us. Take care,  Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53010</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ubi Dubium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,
I certainly agree with your taking a &quot;sabbatical&quot; from church attendance.  You can see from Bert and T.O.&#039;s comments here the effects of too much church.  Both of them are so sure they have the right answer and that everybody else is wrong.  Every church service they go to they get together with the other True Believers to reassure themselves of how right they are and how wrong everybody else is. &quot;We&#039;re all saved and they&#039;re all going to hell!&quot; They come across like a chorus of clanging gongs and crashing cymbals.

Take some time off, all that you need.  Read everything that you can, especially the things that your church has told you not to read. Ask the tough questions and look for your own answers. &quot;It&#039;s a mystery&quot; is church-speak for &quot;we don&#039;t know, so shut up and don&#039;t ask anymore&quot;, and is a cop-out answer that you don&#039;t have to accept.  Be open to the possiblity that all of the churches are wrong, and that the right answer may lie elsewhere.  Above all, keep thinking for yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
I certainly agree with your taking a &#8220;sabbatical&#8221; from church attendance.  You can see from Bert and T.O.&#8217;s comments here the effects of too much church.  Both of them are so sure they have the right answer and that everybody else is wrong.  Every church service they go to they get together with the other True Believers to reassure themselves of how right they are and how wrong everybody else is. &#8220;We&#8217;re all saved and they&#8217;re all going to hell!&#8221; They come across like a chorus of clanging gongs and crashing cymbals.</p>
<p>Take some time off, all that you need.  Read everything that you can, especially the things that your church has told you not to read. Ask the tough questions and look for your own answers. &#8220;It&#8217;s a mystery&#8221; is church-speak for &#8220;we don&#8217;t know, so shut up and don&#8217;t ask anymore&#8221;, and is a cop-out answer that you don&#8217;t have to accept.  Be open to the possiblity that all of the churches are wrong, and that the right answer may lie elsewhere.  Above all, keep thinking for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: T.O.T3n1</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53009</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[T.O.T3n1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I do not deny what you saw…but to make this the truth for everyone else is an error.&quot;

&quot;bert10&quot;

So can be said about your prophet J.S. So what everyone else has seen is not truth?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do not deny what you saw…but to make this the truth for everyone else is an error.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;bert10&#8243;</p>
<p>So can be said about your prophet J.S. So what everyone else has seen is not truth?</p>
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		<title>By: bert10</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/03/33-reasons-why-i-left-the-mormon-church/#comment-53008</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bert10]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 06:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[316.Anonymous. No one can deny what you have seen. But if you did not see the vision of what Stephen saw which was Jesus at the right Side of the Father...Then I do not know what you saw...or know the purpose of your vision. And if that is not enough for you Jesus Himself said that we would see the Son of Man 

&quot;Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on
the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.&quot;

In Scriptures the testimony of two is true. 

I do not deny what you saw...but to make this the truth for everyone else is an error.

bert10]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>316.Anonymous. No one can deny what you have seen. But if you did not see the vision of what Stephen saw which was Jesus at the right Side of the Father&#8230;Then I do not know what you saw&#8230;or know the purpose of your vision. And if that is not enough for you Jesus Himself said that we would see the Son of Man </p>
<p>&#8220;Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on<br />
the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Scriptures the testimony of two is true. </p>
<p>I do not deny what you saw&#8230;but to make this the truth for everyone else is an error.</p>
<p>bert10</p>
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