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	<title>Comments on: Blue Like Jazz: A book for disillusioned Christian fundamentalists</title>
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		<title>By: vamanan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-52113</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your style and thrust and have begun to follow you, but &#039;the holy nature of god&#039; (about which you were seeking confirmation or clarification from the book you have reviewed) foxed me. What&#039;s in your mind?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your style and thrust and have begun to follow you, but &#8216;the holy nature of god&#8217; (about which you were seeking confirmation or clarification from the book you have reviewed) foxed me. What&#8217;s in your mind?</p>
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		<title>By: ajhogan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51989</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 02:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ajhogan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51988</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 02:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[146.  Rudy  &#124;  November 7, 2009 at 6:43 pm

If you don’t like the book then don’t talk about it.]

That&#039;s very funny :)  rofl lmao

This is not insync with reality. I hate when people say, &quot;If you don&#039;t have anything nice to say, don&#039;t say anything at all.&quot;

You can&#039;t give constuctive critism and you cannot improve if you don&#039;t talk about the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[146.  Rudy  |  November 7, 2009 at 6:43 pm</p>
<p>If you don’t like the book then don’t talk about it.]</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very funny <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   rofl lmao</p>
<p>This is not insync with reality. I hate when people say, &#8220;If you don&#8217;t have anything nice to say, don&#8217;t say anything at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t give constuctive critism and you cannot improve if you don&#8217;t talk about the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1</p>
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		<title>By: ajhogan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51987</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 02:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christian Faith (The belief in a God that cannot be verified through any exemplary known to man).
 No means of proof is availible to any of the five senses. Only the mind can accept such a belief. God exists or he doesn&#039;t. 
Once &quot;spreaders of the faith (of their chosen religion)&quot; realize this they will understand why non-believers chose to believe neither, a scientific alternative or simply ask why God is more believable than the Gods of other religions.

Suppose there is a belief that there are spirits around all of us all the time, constantly moving between this reality and the &quot;beyond&quot;.

Could this be true, certainly, could this be false, certainly.
Can you prove either, certainly not.

If believers could stop shoving Chrisitainity down others throats and simply get over the fact that some other people do not want to believe the same thing they do. They don&#039;t really feel the need to be part of the Christian group.

Those who have this certainty, good for you.
Those who have  a different certainty good for them.
My certainty is thought itself, nothing more nothing less, to claim anything else is to lay an imperceptible stake into the ground of the thing which we have agreed to call &quot;reality&quot; in English. 

Nonetheless, as Shakespeare said, the whole world&#039;s a stage.

So act!

.....I am currently experiencing Religion Stuffing....a phrase I have coined   :)   ..wherein people close to a person try to gently ram religion down that person&#039;s throat...
I was asked to read this book and was thoroughly disappointed...

If there were proof of God I would be most contented, because I could join the religious people close to me  without the feeling that I would betray the essence of truth/verification ( or i would have to  for the very sad reason that if God exists or doesn&#039;t what would one have to lose from becoming a Christian), and they would shut-up about the Lord Jesus-Christ our Saviour. 
    That was my only hope when I was given that book. Sadly disappointed again, growing tired of smacking ones head against the religious wall I see one fact and one fact alone.

It is certainly uncertain, the existence of (a) God(s), heaven/hell, spirits, etc

I badly want to agree with these people, but cannot because there is no validity in the subject matter (cannot be proved).
and saying, &quot;God is everywhere you need only look is not PROOF!!!!!&quot;


Also, the hypothesis about the certainty of God (true #1 or false #2) would mean that either Jesus was:

#1 Everything that he was or that is accounted for (true son of god)

#2 A mad-man with very good intentions, he maybe the greatest martyr who ever lived, or at least he thought he would be.( If there were a way of measuring the affects of Christianity &amp; religion&#039;s in general as positive for good and negative for bad, what would the balance be? + - or null?) 

#3 There is a creator so to speak, but he cannot be categorized by one religion, denomination, etc. This creator could be of a very human temperment or he could be pure good and right and holy as most religions have interpreted. He sends many messengers that most religions speak of. Then he would have to have enemies which most religions prepose. Therefore it maybe a possibility that most religions have a common thread through which the intrecate blanket of this theoritcal creator his been woven. Part of daily life, yet unknowable and intangible, only through what you come to know as good and bad could you maybe interpret the infinite casaulity of this creator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian Faith (The belief in a God that cannot be verified through any exemplary known to man).<br />
 No means of proof is availible to any of the five senses. Only the mind can accept such a belief. God exists or he doesn&#8217;t.<br />
Once &#8220;spreaders of the faith (of their chosen religion)&#8221; realize this they will understand why non-believers chose to believe neither, a scientific alternative or simply ask why God is more believable than the Gods of other religions.</p>
<p>Suppose there is a belief that there are spirits around all of us all the time, constantly moving between this reality and the &#8220;beyond&#8221;.</p>
<p>Could this be true, certainly, could this be false, certainly.<br />
Can you prove either, certainly not.</p>
<p>If believers could stop shoving Chrisitainity down others throats and simply get over the fact that some other people do not want to believe the same thing they do. They don&#8217;t really feel the need to be part of the Christian group.</p>
<p>Those who have this certainty, good for you.<br />
Those who have  a different certainty good for them.<br />
My certainty is thought itself, nothing more nothing less, to claim anything else is to lay an imperceptible stake into the ground of the thing which we have agreed to call &#8220;reality&#8221; in English. </p>
<p>Nonetheless, as Shakespeare said, the whole world&#8217;s a stage.</p>
<p>So act!</p>
<p>&#8230;..I am currently experiencing Religion Stuffing&#8230;.a phrase I have coined   <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />    ..wherein people close to a person try to gently ram religion down that person&#8217;s throat&#8230;<br />
I was asked to read this book and was thoroughly disappointed&#8230;</p>
<p>If there were proof of God I would be most contented, because I could join the religious people close to me  without the feeling that I would betray the essence of truth/verification ( or i would have to  for the very sad reason that if God exists or doesn&#8217;t what would one have to lose from becoming a Christian), and they would shut-up about the Lord Jesus-Christ our Saviour.<br />
    That was my only hope when I was given that book. Sadly disappointed again, growing tired of smacking ones head against the religious wall I see one fact and one fact alone.</p>
<p>It is certainly uncertain, the existence of (a) God(s), heaven/hell, spirits, etc</p>
<p>I badly want to agree with these people, but cannot because there is no validity in the subject matter (cannot be proved).<br />
and saying, &#8220;God is everywhere you need only look is not PROOF!!!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, the hypothesis about the certainty of God (true #1 or false #2) would mean that either Jesus was:</p>
<p>#1 Everything that he was or that is accounted for (true son of god)</p>
<p>#2 A mad-man with very good intentions, he maybe the greatest martyr who ever lived, or at least he thought he would be.( If there were a way of measuring the affects of Christianity &amp; religion&#8217;s in general as positive for good and negative for bad, what would the balance be? + &#8211; or null?) </p>
<p>#3 There is a creator so to speak, but he cannot be categorized by one religion, denomination, etc. This creator could be of a very human temperment or he could be pure good and right and holy as most religions have interpreted. He sends many messengers that most religions speak of. Then he would have to have enemies which most religions prepose. Therefore it maybe a possibility that most religions have a common thread through which the intrecate blanket of this theoritcal creator his been woven. Part of daily life, yet unknowable and intangible, only through what you come to know as good and bad could you maybe interpret the infinite casaulity of this creator.</p>
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		<title>By: ajhogan</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51986</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2011 01:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lasted three chapters then read the end.It was a very disorganized story that doesn&#039;t really establish anything. Thank you for the for the short biography and information most people have about Christianity. I&#039;m a hypocrite for saying he is a hypocrite, but if theres is an e-document of this book it would be interesting to see how many times I shows up. When he explained about self-absorbtion there were many  I&#039;s. 

If someone could give a substantial description in detail of this &quot;saving grace&quot;, what it is, where it comes from and how to find/recieve it. Much obliged.

and Lord Jesus Christ doesn&#039;t exactly mean anything.
You either speak of Christ (God), Jesus or the Holy Spirit, altogether or seperately. 

and your use of &quot;our&quot; is demonstrative of Christian&#039;s dominate attitude about their religion. You assume he is everyone&#039;s Lord (our) if they agree or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lasted three chapters then read the end.It was a very disorganized story that doesn&#8217;t really establish anything. Thank you for the for the short biography and information most people have about Christianity. I&#8217;m a hypocrite for saying he is a hypocrite, but if theres is an e-document of this book it would be interesting to see how many times I shows up. When he explained about self-absorbtion there were many  I&#8217;s. </p>
<p>If someone could give a substantial description in detail of this &#8220;saving grace&#8221;, what it is, where it comes from and how to find/recieve it. Much obliged.</p>
<p>and Lord Jesus Christ doesn&#8217;t exactly mean anything.<br />
You either speak of Christ (God), Jesus or the Holy Spirit, altogether or seperately. </p>
<p>and your use of &#8220;our&#8221; is demonstrative of Christian&#8217;s dominate attitude about their religion. You assume he is everyone&#8217;s Lord (our) if they agree or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51890</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems like most of the comments I read the person is expecting to be changed by some book.  That should not be expected by anyone&#039;s words on a page.  The &quot;change&quot; you all are looking for comes from the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like most of the comments I read the person is expecting to be changed by some book.  That should not be expected by anyone&#8217;s words on a page.  The &#8220;change&#8221; you all are looking for comes from the saving grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: Youth Concepts Blog</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-51882</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Youth Concepts Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 17:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Jazz Youth Mesh...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...] s goal was to meet doubting Christians at a halfway point, I found the effort [...]...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Jazz Youth Mesh&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>[...] s goal was to meet doubting Christians at a halfway point, I found the effort [...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Noe</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-40566</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 06:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha... McBibles.. that has a nice ring to it.

He was aware of his self-absorption, he mentioned it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230; McBibles.. that has a nice ring to it.</p>
<p>He was aware of his self-absorption, he mentioned it.</p>
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		<title>By: HeIsSailing</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-39902</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jimmy John recommends:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Try Letters from a Skeptic, it does a good job of presenting both sides of the argument.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Too late.  I wrote this review.. how many years ago now?  I am no longer just de-converting - I am fully out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy John recommends:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Try Letters from a Skeptic, it does a good job of presenting both sides of the argument.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Too late.  I wrote this review.. how many years ago now?  I am no longer just de-converting &#8211; I am fully out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy John</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/09/blue-like-jazz/#comment-39896</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 09:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blue Like Jazz isn&#039;t so terrible...his other book Through Painted Deserts is better, athough I wouldn&#039;t recommend either for de-converting or former Christians. Try Letters from a Skeptic, it does a good job of presenting both sides of the argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue Like Jazz isn&#8217;t so terrible&#8230;his other book Through Painted Deserts is better, athough I wouldn&#8217;t recommend either for de-converting or former Christians. Try Letters from a Skeptic, it does a good job of presenting both sides of the argument.</p>
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