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		<title>By: bigham</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-28127</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cooper,

I am a deconvert who has reconverted, by the grace of God!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooper,</p>
<p>I am a deconvert who has reconverted, by the grace of God!</p>
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		<title>By: Cooper</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-28106</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bigham----

Can I ask a question? If you are a deconvert, why do you continue in seminary? Unless I am misunderstanding what you said above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigham&#8212;-</p>
<p>Can I ask a question? If you are a deconvert, why do you continue in seminary? Unless I am misunderstanding what you said above.</p>
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		<title>By: bigham</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-28091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Not sure if I clearly stated that last question:  Do you think your de-conversion more closely resembled mine or his in how fervently you sought to know the truth?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Not sure if I clearly stated that last question:  Do you think your de-conversion more closely resembled mine or his in how fervently you sought to know the truth?)</p>
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		<title>By: bigham</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-28090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bigham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 17:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The de-Convert,

Interesting post.  I would actually agree with your advice at the end of the post, because I believe that it is God who gives us our desires.  If a husband and wife have no desire to have children, then they should probably not have children.  Without a desire to have children, they probably wouldn&#039;t be good parents anyways.

I also appreciate the honesty in opening up about your struggles with the faith as you were de-converting.  

One of my seminary professors told our class yesterday about his greatest struggle with the faith, which happened his freshman year in college.  He said that he was raised in a Christian environment where he was never really faced with the &quot;big questions&quot; of life, so when he got to college and was faced with those questions, he didn&#039;t know what to do.

I was convicted by his story, because up to this point it was similar to mine.  However, where we differed was in how much we really sought the truth.  I was very passive, and kind of took the approach that if there were a God, then He should prove Himself to me.

My professor took a different approach.  He said that he decided to go on a water-only fast for seven days, and he desperately sought to know if God existed and, if so, whether or not He really was the God of his parents faith.  

He said that on the seventh day his brother-in-law gave him &quot;The Knowledge of the Holy&quot; by A.W. Tozer.  

All that to say two things:  One, you might look into reading that book.  And two, do you think that your de-conversion more closely resembled my de-conversion or my professors near-de-conversion?

Thanks,
David]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The de-Convert,</p>
<p>Interesting post.  I would actually agree with your advice at the end of the post, because I believe that it is God who gives us our desires.  If a husband and wife have no desire to have children, then they should probably not have children.  Without a desire to have children, they probably wouldn&#8217;t be good parents anyways.</p>
<p>I also appreciate the honesty in opening up about your struggles with the faith as you were de-converting.  </p>
<p>One of my seminary professors told our class yesterday about his greatest struggle with the faith, which happened his freshman year in college.  He said that he was raised in a Christian environment where he was never really faced with the &#8220;big questions&#8221; of life, so when he got to college and was faced with those questions, he didn&#8217;t know what to do.</p>
<p>I was convicted by his story, because up to this point it was similar to mine.  However, where we differed was in how much we really sought the truth.  I was very passive, and kind of took the approach that if there were a God, then He should prove Himself to me.</p>
<p>My professor took a different approach.  He said that he decided to go on a water-only fast for seven days, and he desperately sought to know if God existed and, if so, whether or not He really was the God of his parents faith.  </p>
<p>He said that on the seventh day his brother-in-law gave him &#8220;The Knowledge of the Holy&#8221; by A.W. Tozer.  </p>
<p>All that to say two things:  One, you might look into reading that book.  And two, do you think that your de-conversion more closely resembled my de-conversion or my professors near-de-conversion?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-26034</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John T:

English is an official language of the Philippines so most Filipinos are quite atune to basic spelling and grammar.  But thanks for the nice wise-crack, asshole, it seems that you could use some syntax lessons yourself.

Maybe you should bash Rod for Rod and not the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John T:</p>
<p>English is an official language of the Philippines so most Filipinos are quite atune to basic spelling and grammar.  But thanks for the nice wise-crack, asshole, it seems that you could use some syntax lessons yourself.</p>
<p>Maybe you should bash Rod for Rod and not the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: SnugglyBuffalo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-25972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnugglyBuffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If nothing else it points to the possible reality of a spiritual world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Ignoring the other holes in this argument, even if it points to a spiritual world, it still points away from a Christian God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If nothing else it points to the possible reality of a spiritual world.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ignoring the other holes in this argument, even if it points to a spiritual world, it still points away from a Christian God.</p>
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		<title>By: heatlight</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-25967</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[heatlight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[d-C- those are excerpts of stories from one of my personal blogs.  I can&#039;t see a reason to retype the whole thing - I hope you don&#039;t mind.  Honestly, there are many different possible explanations of why people of other faiths experience similar things.  If nothing else it points to the possible reality of a spiritual world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>d-C- those are excerpts of stories from one of my personal blogs.  I can&#8217;t see a reason to retype the whole thing &#8211; I hope you don&#8217;t mind.  Honestly, there are many different possible explanations of why people of other faiths experience similar things.  If nothing else it points to the possible reality of a spiritual world.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-25957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 04:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[‘When I was just a little (boy) I asked my mother what will I be. Will I be handsome, will I be rich? Here’s what she said to me. Que Sera sera, whatever will be, will be. The future’s not ours to say.  Que Sera sera.’

That’s an old American song that made waves all over the world about 50 years ago. It’s not exactly biblical but I buy that song in relation to the issue of “God’s plan for everyone”. It also forms part of my concept of Destiny. 

Like, a fool is included in God’s plan? Yes, people don’t see sanity unless they saw insanity. They don’t see deprivation unless they saw gluttons. They don’t see good unless they saw bad. (Everyone, even the devil is useful! ) No exception. One is either a negative example or a positive example which serves the whole. Everyone has free choice, he&#039;s got a use.  :-)

Also, for people to accept only what is stated in the bible, throwing the bible at anybody that looked different, I think, would be like saying that God ended and was finished thousands of years ago. A static spiritual mind. God is Spirit, he need not show or talk. (He could be talking trough a person besides you by bio-wireless. And people don’t even know about them being used! ) :-)

Three stanzas are just preface of a person. I agree, it’s not enough to see the consistent whole. You’re all invited to my blog. About a dozen posts in my religion category - not enough to show my whole spiritual side (that I would rather keep much private), I should say. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘When I was just a little (boy) I asked my mother what will I be. Will I be handsome, will I be rich? Here’s what she said to me. Que Sera sera, whatever will be, will be. The future’s not ours to say.  Que Sera sera.’</p>
<p>That’s an old American song that made waves all over the world about 50 years ago. It’s not exactly biblical but I buy that song in relation to the issue of “God’s plan for everyone”. It also forms part of my concept of Destiny. </p>
<p>Like, a fool is included in God’s plan? Yes, people don’t see sanity unless they saw insanity. They don’t see deprivation unless they saw gluttons. They don’t see good unless they saw bad. (Everyone, even the devil is useful! ) No exception. One is either a negative example or a positive example which serves the whole. Everyone has free choice, he&#8217;s got a use.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Also, for people to accept only what is stated in the bible, throwing the bible at anybody that looked different, I think, would be like saying that God ended and was finished thousands of years ago. A static spiritual mind. God is Spirit, he need not show or talk. (He could be talking trough a person besides you by bio-wireless. And people don’t even know about them being used! ) <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Three stanzas are just preface of a person. I agree, it’s not enough to see the consistent whole. You’re all invited to my blog. About a dozen posts in my religion category &#8211; not enough to show my whole spiritual side (that I would rather keep much private), I should say. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-25944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops! I did not mean cargo. I meant Scare like shocking a person to death! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops! I did not mean cargo. I meant Scare like shocking a person to death! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/19/hearing-the-voice-of-god/#comment-25773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like &quot;WTF of the month&quot;.  But the actual award goes to post 23 by    &quot;A cultural guide for the non believer&quot; in the Finding Faith comment stream.  It seems pretty clear to me that Rod here speaks English as a second language, and this can at least account for some of the discontinuity.  &quot;A cultural&quot; on the other hand seems to speak fine English, it is conscious thought that is his second language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like &#8220;WTF of the month&#8221;.  But the actual award goes to post 23 by    &#8220;A cultural guide for the non believer&#8221; in the Finding Faith comment stream.  It seems pretty clear to me that Rod here speaks English as a second language, and this can at least account for some of the discontinuity.  &#8220;A cultural&#8221; on the other hand seems to speak fine English, it is conscious thought that is his second language.</p>
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