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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-75828</link>
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		<description><![CDATA[delusion 

in psychology, a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence. Delusions are symptomatic of such mental disorders as paranoia, schizophrenia, and major depression and of such physiological conditions as senile psychosis and delirium. They vary in intensity, extent, and coherence and may represent pathological exaggeration of normal tendencies to rationalization, wishful thinking, and the like. Among the most common are delusions of persecution and grandeur; others include delusions of bodily functioning, guilt, love, and control]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>delusion </p>
<p>in psychology, a rigid system of beliefs with which a person is preoccupied and to which the person firmly holds, despite the logical absurdity of the beliefs and a lack of supporting evidence. Delusions are symptomatic of such mental disorders as paranoia, schizophrenia, and major depression and of such physiological conditions as senile psychosis and delirium. They vary in intensity, extent, and coherence and may represent pathological exaggeration of normal tendencies to rationalization, wishful thinking, and the like. Among the most common are delusions of persecution and grandeur; others include delusions of bodily functioning, guilt, love, and control</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-51570</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 01:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gary # 31 - so sorry that modern medicine was unable to get you off you knees.  You did eschew modern medicine and replace it with prayer, right?  It would be unconscionable for anyone to receive all the benefits of medical knowledge and then thank some imaginary villain rather than the doctors who performed the &quot;miracle&quot;.  You wouldn&#039;t do that, would you?  

By the way, did you curse out the big guy for putting you in this predicament?  Makes as much sense as praising the sky fellow for a good outcome.  

I would call you a &quot;Christian&quot; - that is not a compliment.  You do know that &quot;what Jesus spoke so much about&quot; is hearsay.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary # 31 &#8211; so sorry that modern medicine was unable to get you off you knees.  You did eschew modern medicine and replace it with prayer, right?  It would be unconscionable for anyone to receive all the benefits of medical knowledge and then thank some imaginary villain rather than the doctors who performed the &#8220;miracle&#8221;.  You wouldn&#8217;t do that, would you?  </p>
<p>By the way, did you curse out the big guy for putting you in this predicament?  Makes as much sense as praising the sky fellow for a good outcome.  </p>
<p>I would call you a &#8220;Christian&#8221; &#8211; that is not a compliment.  You do know that &#8220;what Jesus spoke so much about&#8221; is hearsay.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-51566</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 22:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The above comment pops into my inbox years after I write the original blog post, and I reflect back on it with a smile; Gary the Skeptic wrote those words, while Gary the Believer has defied them by taking up faith in Christ again and seeking refuge in a church again.  I have put aside all manner of arguments as I was driven to my knees through a major health crisis.  

I&#039;ve written on my blog that Mystery reigns over intellect for me, and I am more than happy to play the fool.  As to the above comment, if Christians were about &quot;kingdom of God&quot; business as Jesus spoke so much about, there would be no discussion of political involvement.  And if they&#039;re not about &quot;kingdom of God&quot; business, I&#039;d hesitate to call them &#039;Christian&#039; anyhow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment pops into my inbox years after I write the original blog post, and I reflect back on it with a smile; Gary the Skeptic wrote those words, while Gary the Believer has defied them by taking up faith in Christ again and seeking refuge in a church again.  I have put aside all manner of arguments as I was driven to my knees through a major health crisis.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written on my blog that Mystery reigns over intellect for me, and I am more than happy to play the fool.  As to the above comment, if Christians were about &#8220;kingdom of God&#8221; business as Jesus spoke so much about, there would be no discussion of political involvement.  And if they&#8217;re not about &#8220;kingdom of God&#8221; business, I&#8217;d hesitate to call them &#8216;Christian&#8217; anyhow.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-51556</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fugitive Slave Laws were once promulgated by government in defense of furthering slavery and appeasing the masses until the Civil War and Emancipation Proclamation. 

Recognizing that reality, it makes little sense not to also recognize the utility of Separation of Church and State in Religious Dogma that defends and furthers gender persecution as anything different than the social and cultural equivalent of the Fugitive Slave Laws.

Within the schemes of the Civil Rights laws, gender equity is very much a part of religious fiction that is allowed to exist under the separation of church and state to favor gender and sexual identity deception and misinterpretation for discriminatory advantage. In this respect, separation of church and state is a perverse use of the Constitution to perpetuate cultural condemnation on the basis of the 14th Amendment which prohibits such discriminatory use of the Constitution.

If churches do not rise themselves to end the schizophrenic interpretation by preaching that the world is flat when it is round, the state and federal government must intervene to prevent the harms that arise from such propaganda in the name of religion. Government&#039;s hands off attitude is one the Constitution &quot;invented&quot; for fear of challenging ecclesiastical authority though it has never been shown nor proven that God favored men over women in Biblical scripture. For millions of humans in every generation, this preferred persecution has no basis in law, and likely, no basis in fact to permit such a hands off attitude by government, and religion, if not God, needs to be on trial much like the famous historical Santa Clause identity trial  over whether humans can defend such cultural persecution in the legitimate name of religion - for any religion. God may not have been a racist, we are taught; but God was biased in every other form of discriminatory prohibition forbidden by the American Constitution. Why should not churches be held to the same standard as everyone else?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fugitive Slave Laws were once promulgated by government in defense of furthering slavery and appeasing the masses until the Civil War and Emancipation Proclamation. </p>
<p>Recognizing that reality, it makes little sense not to also recognize the utility of Separation of Church and State in Religious Dogma that defends and furthers gender persecution as anything different than the social and cultural equivalent of the Fugitive Slave Laws.</p>
<p>Within the schemes of the Civil Rights laws, gender equity is very much a part of religious fiction that is allowed to exist under the separation of church and state to favor gender and sexual identity deception and misinterpretation for discriminatory advantage. In this respect, separation of church and state is a perverse use of the Constitution to perpetuate cultural condemnation on the basis of the 14th Amendment which prohibits such discriminatory use of the Constitution.</p>
<p>If churches do not rise themselves to end the schizophrenic interpretation by preaching that the world is flat when it is round, the state and federal government must intervene to prevent the harms that arise from such propaganda in the name of religion. Government&#8217;s hands off attitude is one the Constitution &#8220;invented&#8221; for fear of challenging ecclesiastical authority though it has never been shown nor proven that God favored men over women in Biblical scripture. For millions of humans in every generation, this preferred persecution has no basis in law, and likely, no basis in fact to permit such a hands off attitude by government, and religion, if not God, needs to be on trial much like the famous historical Santa Clause identity trial  over whether humans can defend such cultural persecution in the legitimate name of religion &#8211; for any religion. God may not have been a racist, we are taught; but God was biased in every other form of discriminatory prohibition forbidden by the American Constitution. Why should not churches be held to the same standard as everyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Nostrodumb</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-34465</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth&quot;

Haha, that is the most (unintentionally) funny comment on this blog.  I know, those door-to-door people aren&#039;t TRUE christians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth&#8221;</p>
<p>Haha, that is the most (unintentionally) funny comment on this blog.  I know, those door-to-door people aren&#8217;t TRUE christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-26306</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yurka is absolutely correct. I am just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth. I truly am not.

Because they do not proclaim truth.

(I&#039;m surprised nobody posted that sooner.)

Do you think I have not been to church? Do you think I have not read the Bible? Do you think you are the ONLY person who has yacked about this religion? Why does every christian think they are the only person who has talked to me about jeebus?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yurka is absolutely correct. I am just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth. I truly am not.</p>
<p>Because they do not proclaim truth.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m surprised nobody posted that sooner.)</p>
<p>Do you think I have not been to church? Do you think I have not read the Bible? Do you think you are the ONLY person who has yacked about this religion? Why does every christian think they are the only person who has talked to me about jeebus?</p>
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		<title>By: DeeVee</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-26247</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have hundreds of stories in my experience as a former christian as to how religion does not work, it is a massive, 2000 year old lie, up to and including the Old Testament, which we now find was written some 800 to 1000 years later &quot;after the fact&quot;...by Hellenistic Jews who lied their faces off making stuff up. Apparently in that time period, all religions lied and made up fictional stories to enhance their religion. 
Hugs, DeeVee]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have hundreds of stories in my experience as a former christian as to how religion does not work, it is a massive, 2000 year old lie, up to and including the Old Testament, which we now find was written some 800 to 1000 years later &#8220;after the fact&#8221;&#8230;by Hellenistic Jews who lied their faces off making stuff up. Apparently in that time period, all religions lied and made up fictional stories to enhance their religion.<br />
Hugs, DeeVee</p>
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		<title>By: Cooper</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-26053</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cooper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In defense of Ben Stein, &quot;Clear Eyes&quot; really does get the red out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In defense of Ben Stein, &#8220;Clear Eyes&#8221; really does get the red out.</p>
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		<title>By: LeoPardus</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-26052</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth, &lt;/i&gt;

HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth, </i></p>
<p>HAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Yurka</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/08/22/the-religious-delusion/#comment-26050</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#20 brian,
&lt;i&gt;And in case anyone hasn’t told you…the de-converts represented here did not, for the most part and with some notable exceptions, is seems, leave faith because they did not hear clear apologetic arguments.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, it seems to be the case, but I have seen instances where people going through a crisis of faith stumble onto this site and it would be a shame for them to be lost simply because they uncritically soaked up the *attitude* of this site (many of the articles here consist merely of polemical assertions, or objections that have been dealt with before).

&lt;i&gt;you would seem to advocate appear to be a sickening version of fundamentalism–you, in fact, represent the “straw man” version of Christianity that has, at the very least, given the non-Christian world something to dislike.&lt;/i&gt;

You act like I study Fred Phelps and Jack Chick every day to pick up style points. This is clearly an exaggeration - you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth, so you consider it rude whenever a Christian doesn&#039;t immediately curl up into a ball in the corner when you argue against him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#20 brian,<br />
<i>And in case anyone hasn’t told you…the de-converts represented here did not, for the most part and with some notable exceptions, is seems, leave faith because they did not hear clear apologetic arguments.</i></p>
<p>Yes, it seems to be the case, but I have seen instances where people going through a crisis of faith stumble onto this site and it would be a shame for them to be lost simply because they uncritically soaked up the *attitude* of this site (many of the articles here consist merely of polemical assertions, or objections that have been dealt with before).</p>
<p><i>you would seem to advocate appear to be a sickening version of fundamentalism–you, in fact, represent the “straw man” version of Christianity that has, at the very least, given the non-Christian world something to dislike.</i></p>
<p>You act like I study Fred Phelps and Jack Chick every day to pick up style points. This is clearly an exaggeration &#8211; you are just not used to Christians boldly and confidently proclaiming the truth, so you consider it rude whenever a Christian doesn&#8217;t immediately curl up into a ball in the corner when you argue against him.</p>
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