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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-77109</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Daisy, it is when the theists try to promote their illogical worldview that we have to answer back logically. We defend rationality from the influence of delusion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daisy, it is when the theists try to promote their illogical worldview that we have to answer back logically. We defend rationality from the influence of delusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Daisy</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-77096</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daisy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 05:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea if anyone will ever read my comment (it&#039;s so low on this page... 391 comments already!), but I just wanted to say that I liked your perspective in this piece. I find a lot of atheist things on StumbleUpon, but usually I just find these things arrogant and maybe a little contrived. I, myself, am an atheist, but I really don&#039;t feel the need to constantly validate my atheism like a lot of people do. Sometimes I think a lot of atheists are really just anti-theists. They hate religion and have to constantly think up reasons why it&#039;s stupid, fallacious, and WRONG! Atheism seems like a replacement for religion with some people. 

I don&#039;t have a problem with most religious people. I know of some people (thinking of a Mormon friend in particular) whose lives were genuinely improved by becoming religious. But I just can&#039;t get past all the inconsistencies and suspension of critical thinking to be religious myself. I don&#039;t have the answers, and sometimes I kind of wish I could be spiritual (because, frankly, magical thinking can be intense!), but it becomes a preoccupation (with all the cognitive dissonance, my brain has to sort through my beliefs and match them up with what I recognize to be facts), I just lose sight of reality.

I too firmly believe religious dogma is just too convoluted and illogical for me to give up my capacity for unfettered freedom of thought and wonder, and I just can&#039;t stand having to conform to an arbitrary set of rules that make no logical sense (maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m a libertarian lol).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea if anyone will ever read my comment (it&#8217;s so low on this page&#8230; 391 comments already!), but I just wanted to say that I liked your perspective in this piece. I find a lot of atheist things on StumbleUpon, but usually I just find these things arrogant and maybe a little contrived. I, myself, am an atheist, but I really don&#8217;t feel the need to constantly validate my atheism like a lot of people do. Sometimes I think a lot of atheists are really just anti-theists. They hate religion and have to constantly think up reasons why it&#8217;s stupid, fallacious, and WRONG! Atheism seems like a replacement for religion with some people. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with most religious people. I know of some people (thinking of a Mormon friend in particular) whose lives were genuinely improved by becoming religious. But I just can&#8217;t get past all the inconsistencies and suspension of critical thinking to be religious myself. I don&#8217;t have the answers, and sometimes I kind of wish I could be spiritual (because, frankly, magical thinking can be intense!), but it becomes a preoccupation (with all the cognitive dissonance, my brain has to sort through my beliefs and match them up with what I recognize to be facts), I just lose sight of reality.</p>
<p>I too firmly believe religious dogma is just too convoluted and illogical for me to give up my capacity for unfettered freedom of thought and wonder, and I just can&#8217;t stand having to conform to an arbitrary set of rules that make no logical sense (maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m a libertarian lol).</p>
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		<title>By: briman232</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-40630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[briman232]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Want to spread the word that you&#039;re a rational thinker?  Check out my Atheist / rational thinker store.  

I keep all of the prices as low as possible through zazzle in order to get as much out there as possible and help spread the word that we&#039;re not going to take this shit anymore.  :-)

http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to spread the word that you&#8217;re a rational thinker?  Check out my Atheist / rational thinker store.  </p>
<p>I keep all of the prices as low as possible through zazzle in order to get as much out there as possible and help spread the word that we&#8217;re not going to take this shit anymore.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*" rel="nofollow">http://www.zazzle.com/briman232*</a></p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-31492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 06:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[aahhh... gotcha.. then i agree with your accessment. proselytizing is never appropriate in my book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aahhh&#8230; gotcha.. then i agree with your accessment. proselytizing is never appropriate in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: orDover</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-31491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[orDover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re talking specifically about commentors who leave comments on this site. Some say that they are proselytizing, some would say that they are just engaging in though-provoking discussion. We are not talking about Biblical commentaries at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking specifically about commentors who leave comments on this site. Some say that they are proselytizing, some would say that they are just engaging in though-provoking discussion. We are not talking about Biblical commentaries at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-31490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[which commentators are we talking about? any that would state that they are proselytize&#039;n are automatically discounted in my book.

are we talking commentaries as well? Anchor Bible, NIB, or just what we find in the local Barnes and Noble?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which commentators are we talking about? any that would state that they are proselytize&#8217;n are automatically discounted in my book.</p>
<p>are we talking commentaries as well? Anchor Bible, NIB, or just what we find in the local Barnes and Noble?</p>
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		<title>By: Neece</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-31489</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 02:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent! Well said and  I wholeheartedly agree. I became an atheist a long time ago. The reason I became more outspoken against christianity was for all of the reasons listed here, plus a few others. But this is a great start for driving people on the fence over to the side of atheism. Or to get quiet atheists to become more outspoken against religion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Well said and  I wholeheartedly agree. I became an atheist a long time ago. The reason I became more outspoken against christianity was for all of the reasons listed here, plus a few others. But this is a great start for driving people on the fence over to the side of atheism. Or to get quiet atheists to become more outspoken against religion.</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-30952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nothing is more infuriating than having someone assert that they know more about you than you do.

That is why it is very hard for some people to read the Bible, because God says he knows you far better than you know yourself.&quot;

This implies that you believe what the bible says before you read it, more circular logic.

&quot;Of course most Christians are going to say the same things and not “bring anything new to the table”—are they supposed to re-write the Gospel and make a different argument? And of course they are not going to appear very humble. When you say you KNOW the truth it sounds self-righteous—of course it will. That’s why Jesus, John the Apostle and others aren’t very “christ-like” :) when they say such things as “We right these things so you may KNOW you HAVE eternal life”. That’s a pretty darn arrogant thing to say.&quot;

I think what he is getting at is that when someone quotes scripture as evidence they are missing the concept that the person they are trying to convince doesn&#039;t hold the book they are quoting from in the same esteem they do.  Nor do they have the ability to conceptualize the idea the verse or passage implies and bring new meaning to it.  They would rather just blindly regurgitate the same meaningless words without having to put any thought into their response.  Kind of along the lines of those door to door salesmen that use the same pitch over and over again and expect the product to sell itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nothing is more infuriating than having someone assert that they know more about you than you do.</p>
<p>That is why it is very hard for some people to read the Bible, because God says he knows you far better than you know yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>This implies that you believe what the bible says before you read it, more circular logic.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course most Christians are going to say the same things and not “bring anything new to the table”—are they supposed to re-write the Gospel and make a different argument? And of course they are not going to appear very humble. When you say you KNOW the truth it sounds self-righteous—of course it will. That’s why Jesus, John the Apostle and others aren’t very “christ-like” <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  when they say such things as “We right these things so you may KNOW you HAVE eternal life”. That’s a pretty darn arrogant thing to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think what he is getting at is that when someone quotes scripture as evidence they are missing the concept that the person they are trying to convince doesn&#8217;t hold the book they are quoting from in the same esteem they do.  Nor do they have the ability to conceptualize the idea the verse or passage implies and bring new meaning to it.  They would rather just blindly regurgitate the same meaningless words without having to put any thought into their response.  Kind of along the lines of those door to door salesmen that use the same pitch over and over again and expect the product to sell itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Thank you all</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thank you all]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have literally never put in a comment on ANY forum. BUT I found your arguments to be very well written, succinct and extremely convincing thank you very much for your input and for others who bring their well informed input into such posts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have literally never put in a comment on ANY forum. BUT I found your arguments to be very well written, succinct and extremely convincing thank you very much for your input and for others who bring their well informed input into such posts.</p>
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		<title>By: SnugglyBuffalo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/09/24/how-some-christian-commentors-have-helpedto-solidify-my-atheism/#comment-29448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnugglyBuffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a reasonably lengthy response typed up, but what&#039;s the point? It&#039;s clear you&#039;re not here for a dialog, randy. You&#039;ve openly stated that you&#039;re here to preach, in spite of the fact that it&#039;s pretty clear that preaching is unwelcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a reasonably lengthy response typed up, but what&#8217;s the point? It&#8217;s clear you&#8217;re not here for a dialog, randy. You&#8217;ve openly stated that you&#8217;re here to preach, in spite of the fact that it&#8217;s pretty clear that preaching is unwelcome.</p>
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