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		<title>By: Alexandre</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-63004</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alexandre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a timely word of wise eeanurcgoment.  I so often forget to really be thankful and appreciate all the small things.  Doing life with small children, my friend and I were just lamenting how hurry and scurry our dinner time hour seems to be, and what a frantic crazy mess our sweet men walk in to.  We tried to think of it from their perspectives, and agreed to try something simple to calm our hearts, and welcome them home.  (your pretty house photos just reminded me of all this) We agreed to try some soothing music, light a few candles, and set our tables- even if dinner was no where near ready or even thought of.  AND greet our husbands at the door with some sort of appreciation for him being home!!  (I know, novel idea)  I am reminded again what a lovely thankful atmosphere in a home can do not only for me, but for our husbands  so thankyou for the post and great eeanurcgoments.  It was just the  push  I needed to get going.  Blessings,Sasha]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a timely word of wise eeanurcgoment.  I so often forget to really be thankful and appreciate all the small things.  Doing life with small children, my friend and I were just lamenting how hurry and scurry our dinner time hour seems to be, and what a frantic crazy mess our sweet men walk in to.  We tried to think of it from their perspectives, and agreed to try something simple to calm our hearts, and welcome them home.  (your pretty house photos just reminded me of all this) We agreed to try some soothing music, light a few candles, and set our tables- even if dinner was no where near ready or even thought of.  AND greet our husbands at the door with some sort of appreciation for him being home!!  (I know, novel idea)  I am reminded again what a lovely thankful atmosphere in a home can do not only for me, but for our husbands  so thankyou for the post and great eeanurcgoments.  It was just the  push  I needed to get going.  Blessings,Sasha</p>
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		<title>By: cag</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-54842</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mrawlinj, take the next step. Just as you have no belief in the thousands of gods that are accepted as the product of human imagination, why believe that there is an exception? The Romans believed fervently in their now discredited gods, as did the Greeks, Egyptians, Norse, Aztec, Mayans and a multitude of others. There is nothing unique about your god or jesus, just another set of mythological beings. There is no god, and so the dominoes fall, so there is no jesus, no heaven, no hell, no angels, no devil, no spirits, no soul, just our imaginations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mrawlinj, take the next step. Just as you have no belief in the thousands of gods that are accepted as the product of human imagination, why believe that there is an exception? The Romans believed fervently in their now discredited gods, as did the Greeks, Egyptians, Norse, Aztec, Mayans and a multitude of others. There is nothing unique about your god or jesus, just another set of mythological beings. There is no god, and so the dominoes fall, so there is no jesus, no heaven, no hell, no angels, no devil, no spirits, no soul, just our imaginations.</p>
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		<title>By: mrawlinj</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-54839</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 00:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I made this website because I was religiously abused.  If anyone feels it will benefit someone they know, pass it on.     www.youarenotgoingtohell.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made this website because I was religiously abused.  If anyone feels it will benefit someone they know, pass it on.     <a href="http://www.youarenotgoingtohell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youarenotgoingtohell.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frida</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-52563</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frida]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 02:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is everyone doing??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is everyone doing??</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51667</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ubi, thanks so much for your reply. What you wrote really helped. I know the turning point for me was one day i was reading the bible and i read a story about the ark of the covenant being carried out of a house and it was about to fall off the cart and a young boy went to support it and god killed him. 

After that i began to question the bible. I asked in bible class whay that happened and i was told that god didnt need anyone to support him and that&#039;s why he killed the child??? It sounds insane. 

I&#039;m listening to http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/304/heretics and it&#039;s helpful...

I know what thay taught me got into my head and will probably take time to de-convert.

Thanks for exchristian.net i&#039;ll definitely check it out...

many thanks
JK]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ubi, thanks so much for your reply. What you wrote really helped. I know the turning point for me was one day i was reading the bible and i read a story about the ark of the covenant being carried out of a house and it was about to fall off the cart and a young boy went to support it and god killed him. </p>
<p>After that i began to question the bible. I asked in bible class whay that happened and i was told that god didnt need anyone to support him and that&#8217;s why he killed the child??? It sounds insane. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m listening to <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/304/heretics" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/304/heretics</a> and it&#8217;s helpful&#8230;</p>
<p>I know what thay taught me got into my head and will probably take time to de-convert.</p>
<p>Thanks for exchristian.net i&#8217;ll definitely check it out&#8230;</p>
<p>many thanks<br />
JK</p>
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		<title>By: Ubi Dubium</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51665</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JK,

They&#039;ve spent a long time drumming the fear of hell into you, it may take a long time and a lot of clear thinking to get beyond it.

I&#039;ll try to give you a little help.

The Christians claim that theirs is a loving god.  What sort of loving god would create beings with built-in flaws, knowing that they would mess up, and then condemn most of them to eternal torture for being exactly the way he made them?  Is this what a benevolent god would do?  How about all the people on earth who never had an opportunity to hear the &quot;right message&quot; because of where or when they were born?  Would a loving god torture them for that?

Isn&#039;t it more llikely that this whole idea of &quot;hell&quot; was created by men, as a way of controlling other people, and maintaining power over them?

I recommend reading more of the articles on this blog, and also over on exchristian.net.

Recently, my brother-in-law told my husband that he had nightmares about him burning in hell.  My husband replied &quot;If I was taking a medicine that was giving me nightmares, I&#039;d stop taking it.  Just sayin&#039; &quot;  I recommend staying away from ALL churches at least until you get over this fear, because they will not do anything to improve matters. (Actually I recommend staying away from all churches forever, but you might not be ready for that yet.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK,</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve spent a long time drumming the fear of hell into you, it may take a long time and a lot of clear thinking to get beyond it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll try to give you a little help.</p>
<p>The Christians claim that theirs is a loving god.  What sort of loving god would create beings with built-in flaws, knowing that they would mess up, and then condemn most of them to eternal torture for being exactly the way he made them?  Is this what a benevolent god would do?  How about all the people on earth who never had an opportunity to hear the &#8220;right message&#8221; because of where or when they were born?  Would a loving god torture them for that?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it more llikely that this whole idea of &#8220;hell&#8221; was created by men, as a way of controlling other people, and maintaining power over them?</p>
<p>I recommend reading more of the articles on this blog, and also over on exchristian.net.</p>
<p>Recently, my brother-in-law told my husband that he had nightmares about him burning in hell.  My husband replied &#8220;If I was taking a medicine that was giving me nightmares, I&#8217;d stop taking it.  Just sayin&#8217; &#8221;  I recommend staying away from ALL churches at least until you get over this fear, because they will not do anything to improve matters. (Actually I recommend staying away from all churches forever, but you might not be ready for that yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 16:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Quester,

Thanks for replying. I suppose I&#039;ve always been searching for something more...but maybe that&#039;&#039;s just the human condition? I&#039;ve gone to buddhist retreats, did lots of meditation and my last venture was the christian church where i did bible studies, went to worship nights etc.

I&#039;ll admith the &#039;experience of religion&#039; made me feel better for a time but when i sat down to think about what i was believeing in and the contradictions in the bible and in christianns themselves - i had doubts. 

Most of these people would call to me and say  that the lord had spoke to them, the holy spirit urged me to tell you this, or god put it in my heart to tell you this....???

Lots of them got revelations from god that they were to set up new churches and that they were going to be pastors of a church for 1,000s of people. 

Speaking in tongues i found disturbing to be honest. And also the way some would flick pages of the bible like a deck of cards and read whatever page it opened on - whatever was on the page was a message from god(their belief not mine)...

I could write for an hour about the experiences i had.

I know it&#039;s possible to live a good life without pentecostal churches, but I am obsesssing a bit about hell and punishment for my wrongs. I come from a life of drug addiction - I&#039;m clean 15 years  now  - but i do have regrets about my life....

Hope all is well in your world ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Quester,</p>
<p>Thanks for replying. I suppose I&#8217;ve always been searching for something more&#8230;but maybe that&#8221;s just the human condition? I&#8217;ve gone to buddhist retreats, did lots of meditation and my last venture was the christian church where i did bible studies, went to worship nights etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admith the &#8216;experience of religion&#8217; made me feel better for a time but when i sat down to think about what i was believeing in and the contradictions in the bible and in christianns themselves &#8211; i had doubts. </p>
<p>Most of these people would call to me and say  that the lord had spoke to them, the holy spirit urged me to tell you this, or god put it in my heart to tell you this&#8230;.???</p>
<p>Lots of them got revelations from god that they were to set up new churches and that they were going to be pastors of a church for 1,000s of people. </p>
<p>Speaking in tongues i found disturbing to be honest. And also the way some would flick pages of the bible like a deck of cards and read whatever page it opened on &#8211; whatever was on the page was a message from god(their belief not mine)&#8230;</p>
<p>I could write for an hour about the experiences i had.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s possible to live a good life without pentecostal churches, but I am obsesssing a bit about hell and punishment for my wrongs. I come from a life of drug addiction &#8211; I&#8217;m clean 15 years  now  &#8211; but i do have regrets about my life&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hope all is well in your world &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 04:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JK,

I&#039;m not sure how often this site is updated, these days, but feel free to read the archived posts. You may find them very helpful.

I am not a psychiatrist, but a church that hounds you with threats of hell is a more likely cause for your nightmares than Satan. I hope you are able to get past this fear. Let me know if there&#039;s anything particular you&#039;re getting stuck on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JK,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how often this site is updated, these days, but feel free to read the archived posts. You may find them very helpful.</p>
<p>I am not a psychiatrist, but a church that hounds you with threats of hell is a more likely cause for your nightmares than Satan. I hope you are able to get past this fear. Let me know if there&#8217;s anything particular you&#8217;re getting stuck on.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51660</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 01:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all, so glad i found this site. I left a born again christian church a few months ago, i was going there for 9 months and left because i didn&#039;t believe a lot of the bible. 

Ever since i&#039;m plagued with anxiety over hell and fiery lakes. I wake in the night barely able to catch my breath and have panic attacks. 

This isn&#039;t good for my mental health as i&#039;ve suffered from depression. The christians told me that i was under demonic attack and spiritually oppressed and satan wanted to cut me off from the church and take me to hell. The church hounded me with text messsages for 7 weeks after i left....saying i was out in the wilderness and was backsliding...

I really need to lose this fear of hell and eternal damnation...

Thanks all i&#039;m enjoying reading]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all, so glad i found this site. I left a born again christian church a few months ago, i was going there for 9 months and left because i didn&#8217;t believe a lot of the bible. </p>
<p>Ever since i&#8217;m plagued with anxiety over hell and fiery lakes. I wake in the night barely able to catch my breath and have panic attacks. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t good for my mental health as i&#8217;ve suffered from depression. The christians told me that i was under demonic attack and spiritually oppressed and satan wanted to cut me off from the church and take me to hell. The church hounded me with text messsages for 7 weeks after i left&#8230;.saying i was out in the wilderness and was backsliding&#8230;</p>
<p>I really need to lose this fear of hell and eternal damnation&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks all i&#8217;m enjoying reading</p>
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		<title>By: Quester</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2008/12/09/fighting-fear/#comment-51318</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Quester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad you were able to get something from this, Dan. Best wishes on your journey!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you were able to get something from this, Dan. Best wishes on your journey!</p>
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