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		<title>By: Golden Retriever Training</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-51036</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Golden Retriever Training]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 11:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post. I have enjoyed reading it. Is there a way I can stay updated with new posts? I have no clue how to do this... Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I have enjoyed reading it. Is there a way I can stay updated with new posts? I have no clue how to do this&#8230; Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Erudite Redneck</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32467</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erudite Redneck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the Disccover article, which, I think, has ramifications for the life of Christian faith, and others. The headline is unfornate.

http://discovermagazine.com/2009/feb/15-how-google-is-making-us-smarter/

&quot;Objective reality&quot; -- this is getting closer to where some of my thinking is: Is there such a thing? 

I&#039;m reading some David F. Strauss right now, BTW.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Disccover article, which, I think, has ramifications for the life of Christian faith, and others. The headline is unfornate.</p>
<p><a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2009/feb/15-how-google-is-making-us-smarter/" rel="nofollow">http://discovermagazine.com/2009/feb/15-how-google-is-making-us-smarter/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Objective reality&#8221; &#8212; this is getting closer to where some of my thinking is: Is there such a thing? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reading some David F. Strauss right now, BTW.</p>
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		<title>By: SnugglyBuffalo</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SnugglyBuffalo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think feelings and emotions get a bad rap themselves. It&#039;s how people &lt;em&gt;use&lt;/em&gt; those feelings and emotions. I agree that they are an absolutely integral part of the human experience, but they are also absolutely the wrong way to go about making determinations about objective reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think feelings and emotions get a bad rap themselves. It&#8217;s how people <em>use</em> those feelings and emotions. I agree that they are an absolutely integral part of the human experience, but they are also absolutely the wrong way to go about making determinations about objective reality.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryC</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32463</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;What Jesus taught is one thing; what other taught, and teach about Jesus is all part of the Christian tradiition but is another thing entirely.&lt;/i&gt;

Quite true, and of course there is a good deal of room for doubt about what it is that Jesus actually taught.  There is not, and as far as we know, never was a &quot;Gospel of Jesus,&quot; written by Jesus.  The poor fellow and his teachings have been at the mercy of his followers ever since he died.

If you could go back in time and tell Jesus that you regarded him as &quot;an expression of the Jewish Sophia/Wisdom as it meets the Greek Logos,&quot;  I wonder if he would have had any idea what you were talking about.  Maybe you could get him to understand it eventually.   Whether he would have agreed with that assessment once he understood it is, as you say, &quot;another thing entirely.&quot;  Of course you&#039;d probably have to talk to him in Aramaic, or you would not be able to talk to him at all.

&lt;i&gt;I do wonder why “feelings” and emotions get such a bad rap, since they are as much a part of the human experience as rationality and logic. But mostly, I wonder why imagination is so held in disdain.&lt;/i&gt;

I can imagine all sorts of things about Jesus and the &quot;Jesus movement.&quot;  If I told you some of the things I have imagined, you might regard them with disdain.  I do not, however, confuse the things I have imagined with reality, since they amount only to plausibilities, backed by little or no actual evidence.  I will say this, though -- in their favor is the fact that they take much less effort at suspension of disbelief than some of the all-too-imaginative alternatives that have been peddled as &quot;fact&quot; for, in many cases, almost 2000 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What Jesus taught is one thing; what other taught, and teach about Jesus is all part of the Christian tradiition but is another thing entirely.</i></p>
<p>Quite true, and of course there is a good deal of room for doubt about what it is that Jesus actually taught.  There is not, and as far as we know, never was a &#8220;Gospel of Jesus,&#8221; written by Jesus.  The poor fellow and his teachings have been at the mercy of his followers ever since he died.</p>
<p>If you could go back in time and tell Jesus that you regarded him as &#8220;an expression of the Jewish Sophia/Wisdom as it meets the Greek Logos,&#8221;  I wonder if he would have had any idea what you were talking about.  Maybe you could get him to understand it eventually.   Whether he would have agreed with that assessment once he understood it is, as you say, &#8220;another thing entirely.&#8221;  Of course you&#8217;d probably have to talk to him in Aramaic, or you would not be able to talk to him at all.</p>
<p><i>I do wonder why “feelings” and emotions get such a bad rap, since they are as much a part of the human experience as rationality and logic. But mostly, I wonder why imagination is so held in disdain.</i></p>
<p>I can imagine all sorts of things about Jesus and the &#8220;Jesus movement.&#8221;  If I told you some of the things I have imagined, you might regard them with disdain.  I do not, however, confuse the things I have imagined with reality, since they amount only to plausibilities, backed by little or no actual evidence.  I will say this, though &#8212; in their favor is the fact that they take much less effort at suspension of disbelief than some of the all-too-imaginative alternatives that have been peddled as &#8220;fact&#8221; for, in many cases, almost 2000 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Erudite Redneck</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32460</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erudite Redneck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[GaryC: Probablkly not. Not that that would matter. What Jesus taught is one thing; what other taught, and teach about Jesus is all part of the Christian tradiition but is another thing entirely,.

BigHouse: It&#039;s not all *that* loose, just looser than traditional, orthodox in-the-pew Christianity, and a hell of a lot looser than fundamentalist Christianity. &quot;Believe&quot; -- I hope, and I trust, which requires a lot less intellectual assent to a list of factual propositions than the &quot;I-know&quot; sense of the word. As I&#039;ve said before, there&#039;s a crowd around Jesus, and I&#039;m in it, sometimres up close, sometimes hanging back in the dust. 

I do wonder why &quot;feelings&quot; and emotions get such a bad rap, since they are as much a part of the human experience as rationality and logic. But mostly, I wonder why imagination is so held in disdain. My mom died two year ago; she lives on in my imagination, and when my brother and sisters get together, she lives on among us, in our imagination -- which I mean much more than sappy memories, but, obviously, much less than she sat at the table and had a cup of coffee with us. .. There was an article along these lines in Discover not long ago; I&#039;ll see if I can find it after awhile, after church. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GaryC: Probablkly not. Not that that would matter. What Jesus taught is one thing; what other taught, and teach about Jesus is all part of the Christian tradiition but is another thing entirely,.</p>
<p>BigHouse: It&#8217;s not all *that* loose, just looser than traditional, orthodox in-the-pew Christianity, and a hell of a lot looser than fundamentalist Christianity. &#8220;Believe&#8221; &#8212; I hope, and I trust, which requires a lot less intellectual assent to a list of factual propositions than the &#8220;I-know&#8221; sense of the word. As I&#8217;ve said before, there&#8217;s a crowd around Jesus, and I&#8217;m in it, sometimres up close, sometimes hanging back in the dust. </p>
<p>I do wonder why &#8220;feelings&#8221; and emotions get such a bad rap, since they are as much a part of the human experience as rationality and logic. But mostly, I wonder why imagination is so held in disdain. My mom died two year ago; she lives on in my imagination, and when my brother and sisters get together, she lives on among us, in our imagination &#8212; which I mean much more than sappy memories, but, obviously, much less than she sat at the table and had a cup of coffee with us. .. There was an article along these lines in Discover not long ago; I&#8217;ll see if I can find it after awhile, after church. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BigHouse</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32458</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BigHouse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are probably right that you won&#039;t be able to support it satisfactorily for me.  That&#039;s because your reasons to believe are so loose you could literally  and use the same support and be on equal footing.  So, perhaps we should leave at that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are probably right that you won&#8217;t be able to support it satisfactorily for me.  That&#8217;s because your reasons to believe are so loose you could literally  and use the same support and be on equal footing.  So, perhaps we should leave at that.</p>
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		<title>By: GaryC</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;On what the Word is: The author of John ain’t talkin’ about “the Bible” itself. I like the idea of Jesus as an expression of the Jewish Sophia/Wisdom as it meets the Greek Logos.&lt;/i&gt;

I wonder if &quot;the Word&quot; knew enough Greek to know the meaning of the word &quot;Logos.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On what the Word is: The author of John ain’t talkin’ about “the Bible” itself. I like the idea of Jesus as an expression of the Jewish Sophia/Wisdom as it meets the Greek Logos.</i></p>
<p>I wonder if &#8220;the Word&#8221; knew enough Greek to know the meaning of the word &#8220;Logos.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that&#039;s how i support... whether that fits your def. like ER asks is another matter. satisfactory for me, anyways, and for a pocket full of theologians.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s how i support&#8230; whether that fits your def. like ER asks is another matter. satisfactory for me, anyways, and for a pocket full of theologians.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it is a group of stories based on a people&#039;s experience of God or using God-talk. just like The Old Man and the Seawas inspired by the ocean and Cuba, just like Neverwhere was inspired by the London Underground. word of God is found large concentrations in the bible, but it&#039;s not the only place either. it&#039;s out there if one looks for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is a group of stories based on a people&#8217;s experience of God or using God-talk. just like The Old Man and the Seawas inspired by the ocean and Cuba, just like Neverwhere was inspired by the London Underground. word of God is found large concentrations in the bible, but it&#8217;s not the only place either. it&#8217;s out there if one looks for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Erudite Redneck</title>
		<link>http://de-conversion.com/2009/03/14/the-golden-rule-challenge-to-christians/#comment-32448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erudite Redneck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 01:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What do you mean by support? Because my guess is that nothing I could come up with for an answer -- Luke either -- would be satisfactory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by support? Because my guess is that nothing I could come up with for an answer &#8212; Luke either &#8212; would be satisfactory.</p>
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